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California Getting Slammed With Chemtrails

Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:40 PM EDT
technology, chemtrails, californa, chem-spray, mr-jerry-obannon-supervisor-of-district-5, san-joaquin-valley-air-resorces-board, sjvarb
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see here http://www.mininova.org/tor/2797577 CHECK YOUR LOCAL LISTINGS THIS AIRS for the second time on Saturday, July 25 4 pm 2009 on the HISTORY channel! The show is called: That's Impossible - Weather Warfare The power to use tornadoes, hurricanes, and the deadliest weather as weapons of war may now be possible. We'll investigate reports that weather weapons are in development and the HISTORY channel reveals the technology that in the future could turn hurricanes, earthquake, even tsunamis into some of the most powerful and plausibly deniable weapons of mass destruction the world has ever seen. Or you can purchase it at: http://shop.history.com/detail.php?p=106277 Operation Popeye ^^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye History Channel Production: Fair Use clip from the full length documentary discusses Chemtrails. DISCLAIMER: This video contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of issues of ecological and humanitarian significance. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material in this video is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.

After and extensive research we bring you here, what we learned about CHEMTRAILS, and what authorities are doing about it. They don't only weakend our immune system, and hurts our lungs and digestive system, but they are also used for MIND CONTROL. After you see this video, we hope that you start doing something about it, in you community, your state or your country. We are Humans, but we are being treated as animals ready to be slaughtered. NAMASTE!

Taking from NBC News on Chemtrails...

What are the effects Chemtrails / Contrails are having on our Enviroment and Us?

Sources Wundermap http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/ 24 Hour Weather Loop http://www.weather.gov/sat_loop.php?image=ir&hours;=24 24 Hour Water Vapor Loop http://www.nws.noaa.gov/sat_loop.php?image=wv&hours;=24 Jetstream http://www.weatherimages.org/data/imag192.html Tropopause http://weather.utah.edu/index.php?runcode=2011080818&t;=gfs004&r;=NA&d;=TS

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We are getting slammed with Chem Spray .... so much so it's making me sick. I contacted the San Joaquin Valley Air Resorces Board (SJVARB), (Regulators and Oversigt of Air), but their flex work has closed them down for the day (their explanantion). The Environmental Health Department is clueless, and my Board Supervisor, Mr. Jerry O'Bannon Supervisor of District 5 .... refuses to talk to me, other than refer me to a closed agency (SJVARB). So the Chem Spray Criminals are having a field day with no regulation, no oversight, and allot of me no care ... don't know. We are left to be sprayed like cockroaches while the people who are SUPPOSED to be accountable simply run away from their constituants .....

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GOZO-unlimited

Why do we continue to pay taxes to support incompetence?

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:41 PM EDT
Arieus

Why can't they stop the snow in the mid-east and east coast areas.

That would be really nice.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:44 PM EDT
Arieus

Gozo, great seed. Just ignore the trolls on here. They no longer have the MSN boards to troll people so now they all have migrated to the Newsvine.

:)

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:34 AM EDT
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GOZO-unlimited

Trying to help Texans avoid drinking their pee? It's not OK to stall the Gulf Stream with oil and Corexit....cause a drought in Texas....and then spray the crap out of California. All I want to know is who's doing the spraying?

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:52 PM EDT
oldecrankyman

Except that the Gulf Stream is doing just fine, check the storm tracks for tropical depressions this year.

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:19 AM EDT
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Dr Know

There is no definitive proof that "chemtrails" exist.

  • 7 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:54 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

How do you think clouds are seeded ...... ?

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:03 PM EDT
Dr Know

When was the last time clouds were seeded?

I see no clouds for a hundred miles... I am in California. The satellite shows NO CLOUDS. The mouse is waving over the ocean pointing to nonexistent things.

  • 3 votes
#3.2 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:09 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

You don't have any knowledge .... can't understand what the presenter is pointing out. Lack of knowledge ain't gonna get brownie points here. Rather than being proud of your lack of knowledge ..... might be a good time to take initiative to learn. If you chose not to learn ... then you might be more comfortable somewhere else.

  • 4 votes
#3.3 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:35 PM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

I'm an Air Force trained weather forecaster, and I think you're creating an issue where none exists. I would say that indeed, one of us is lacking knowledge.

  • 12 votes
#3.4 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:21 PM EDT
mountainfirefall

Chemtrails are now acknowledged.

which brings me to the only available assumption.

you are a shill, or you are in deep deep denial dat crazy bok.

.

now, do as she says, and go away. my family was all af.... so don't use that.

  • 3 votes
#3.5 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:09 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

So what does a trained weather man know about geo-engineering? Nothing? Time to go back to school?

  • 4 votes
#3.6 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:17 PM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

Whether or not chemtrails have been acknowledged has no bearing on whether or not the government is using chemtrails to control the minds of citizens, or to control tornadoes, hurricanes, etc...

When confronted with a different viewpoint, simply tell the person to go away. That's clever. I can see you're really interested in furthering conversation. Lol.

  • 8 votes
#3.7 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:20 PM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

Well, to start with, you can forecast contrails. And wingtip vortices, in some cases. They can be explained, scientifically. You can predict when and where they will occur, and even how long they will last, generally speaking. We know what causes them.

And it's funny you should mention it. I'm currently in school. It's for an accounting degree, though. I tried doing the meteorology thing, but the job prospects are extremely limited. I have, however, written papers on the formation of severe storms, specifically in Oklahoma, and cloud seeding.

  • 8 votes
#3.8 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:29 PM EDT
mountainfirefall

when your condescending to someone who is EXPERIENCING the results of a chemtrailed environment and you call them unknowledgeable... yes, expect to be asked to leave.

  • 4 votes
#3.9 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:33 PM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

I'm not being condescending to anyone. I thought questioning someone's knowledge was par for the course, given that the seeder, in the post, above began the entire questioning of someone's knowledge.

When someone thinks they are EXPERIENCING the results of a chemtrailed environment. That's speculation.

Now, with that being said, care to address the topic? Care to offer any information, or your opinion, or anything? Or would you rather continue the banter?

  • 7 votes
#3.10 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:39 PM EDT
mountainfirefall

first, i've laid out the info here at newvine along with many others including Nearing, check out here column and search it. I'm all done doing homework for others. (after awhile it gets old) the discussion has moved along and the naysayers who simply come in and out of hand poo poo it, slow down the PROGRESS.

so, you get my point... catch up... I'm not slowing down anymore.

and while i'm at it ... experiencing something most certainly is NOT speculation!

*ponders the age of one dat crazy bok*

  • 1 vote
#3.11 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:53 PM EDT
TPisFORtheBATHROOM101

Sheesh. Post an article,someone disputes it,and you ridicule and name-call. In 3.3,you even seem to state that you are learning. Who is how old and in what grade? First must learn respect Danielson. Simply stay out of the chemtrails.

  • 6 votes
#3.12 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:07 PM EDT
mountainfirefall

'stay out of the chemtrails'??????????

your ignored for pure ignorance.

  • 1 vote
#3.13 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:34 PM EDT
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GOZO-unlimited

Yea right ..... http://www.weathercentral.com/weather/us/states/CA/radar/kdax.html The dopplar that covers the most profuse amount is off line .... how convenient. The Sarellite is picking it up ..... http://www.weather.gov/sat_tab.php?image=ir. Look at what it is doing to air quality ..... http://www.weather.gov/aq/sectors/pacsouthwest.php.

  • 2 votes
#4 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:21 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Health wise, it is so toxic to my liver .... it is hurting .... going for the Milk Thistle. Causes loss of memory, dizzy.....now I know what it feels like to be poisoned like a bug ....

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:49 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Added videos for you... no excuse for lack of knowledge. The video with profuse chem Spray illustrates what my sky looks like today ....

  • 5 votes
#4.2 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:05 PM EDT
Dr Know

Justification by saying it is "written" or "on video" means nothing. Anyone can produce anything. Its existence does not make the content automatically true.

I am an Aerospace Engineer. You asked how clouds were seeded? They use special airplanes with special tanks and specific chemicals.

Your stance reminds of the the movie "The Gods Must Be Crazy" where an aboriginal finds a Coke bottle that was thrown out of an airplane and tries to "return" it to the "God" by going to the "end of the world" to throw it back.

  • 4 votes
#4.3 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:47 PM EDT
mountainfirefall

bull.... not 'anyone' can produce 'anything'.

there must be intent, there must be equipment, programs and knowledge.

and engineer........... hmmmm... and all you have to offer is 'special'? come on know...

nice smarty pants comment on the movie note... cute.

she is experiencing physical reactions to chemicals in her environment and that is what you offer her... you' definitely need a nv vacation dude.

  • 1 vote
#4.4 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:59 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Lets see what's doin in Texas Texas Radar.

Watch a tiny bit of moisture from California, in Augist, built up and packaged by geo-engineering for Texas http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/Conus/southrockies.php & http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/Conus/southplains.php

  • 2 votes
#4.5 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:28 AM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

Is that your evaluation of what happened?

The time stamp on both shots shows 8/13/2011 at 15:48 zulu. In fact, you can see the same storms present in New Mexico, on both shots. Lemme guess. It just jumped over Arizona and New Mexico instantaneously?

  • 5 votes
#4.6 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:12 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Did you forget mommy? Do you actually require someone else to think for you?

  • 2 votes
#4.7 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:23 PM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

Lol. Typical.

  • 4 votes
#4.8 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:25 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Does this help? You could have found it yourself....and brought something to the conversation. Newsvine is about learning ..... not day care.

California Chemtrails 8/12/2011

Wundermap www.wunderground.com 24 Hour Weather Loop www.weather.gov 24 Hour Water Vapor Loop www.nws.noaa.gov Jetstream www.weatherimages.org ...

by WaronErrorDKos|16 hours ago

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Chemtrails Over Nevada: 8/12/2011

More Chemtrails over Henderson, Nevada, very excessive today.

by wolfwarryir|1 day ago

  • 2 votes
#4.9 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:54 PM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

In the first video, I don't believe those to be chemtrails. It looks like pretty standard cirrus clouds created by onshore flow. It happens quite often, in fact. Daily, almost.

In the second video, you can tell very plainly that there is already moisture at that level, given the presence of clouds in the area.

Regardless, the Four Corners High is pretty well established right now, and any chemtrailing in California would NOT go straight east into Texas. The FCH is pulling moisture up from the south, over the Gulf of California, and moving it north to Phoenix. And moisture that hits the west side of the high is pullled into this clockwise flow. It's pretty standard for this time of year, causes the AZ monsoon every year. Pretty easily verified, as well.

  • 7 votes
#4.10 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:59 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Now you answer your own question .... impower yourself!

Northern California chemtrails

8/12/2011 So sick that these people can do this! They are criminals!

by mrrick32|20 hours ago|1 views

Chemtrails Central CA 12.14pm 8.12.11

559 areacode chemtrails on a massive scale from southern cali to redding i am getting reports of the skys full all over cali today i got tons of ...

by itzz420|19 hours ago|0 views

Chemtrails Reedley CA 11.29am 8.12.2011

559 areacode chemtrails on a massive scale from southern cali to redding i am getting reports of the skys full all over cali today i got tons of ...

by itzz420|19 hours ago|

"Chemtrails" by Schlunz

Graphics and musik by Schlunz. schlunz-trails.blogspot.com

by Xylothol|21 hours ago

Chemtrail 2 blueskies while making orgonite 4pm 8.12.2011

559 areacode chemtrails on a massive scale from southern cali to redding i am getting reports of the skys full all over cali today i got tons of ...

by itzz420|17 hours ago|

chemtrails august.wmv

chemtrails in grande prairie

by MrAlberta76|13 hours ago|

AMAZING CHEMTRAIL CLOUDS!! CREEPY SKY!

Please watch entire video!! . I hope you enjoy the original footage. comments please. Amazing Footage Of Chemtrails! Shreveport, La

by Matthewb2765|13 hours ago|

chemtrails in Grand Blanc MI

Its my Birthday and what do I wake up to for a nice birthday present ... CHEMTRAILS, lovely. Thank you US Guberment.

by gangstalked2011|18 hours ago|

Chemtrails Sacramento,Ca. Aug.!2,11

Chemtrails

by chuckcat2|13 hours ago|

Chemtrails August, 12, 2011 Video 3

Chemtrails August, 12, 2011 Video 3

by ConspiraciesChannel|13 hours ago|

Chemtrails PORTLAND OREGON 8/12/11

How can anyone look up and think this is normal?? All day. My camera is crappy so sorry about that but really. Look up in the sky Portland and say ...

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Chemtrails over San Francisco 12 August 2011

©2011 NMX Publishing, All Rights Reserved. Featuring the Alex Studer song "Incomplete" - for more music visit soundclick dot com slash ...

by frankenvirus|9 hours ago

Chemtrails. Delano California

Delano CA...massive chemtrails in delano california early morning

by kNOwhere2Run2011|13 hours ago|

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#4.11 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:05 PM EDT
mountainfirefall

you rockin now gozo:)... i love it when someone 'prompts' you. the universe smiles when you respond... heh he

  • 1 vote
#4.12 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:40 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

I love you, I love myself ....

  • 2 votes
#4.13 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:57 PM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

You know, there are many more academic sources on the matter. Some random person on Youtube doesn't exactly prove anything. If you're going to prompt people to educate themselves, you could at least provide some sort of reliable source.

Anyways, it's been fun. Thanks for the convo and the best to you and yours.

  • 5 votes
#4.14 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:06 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

If you look ..... at the videos produced on the 12th of August .... you will see aircraft spraying substances (unknown) and then you see what looks like rockets .... chemical bombs hurled across the sky. Looks like we are under attack .... all of this activity is against U.S, law and there has been no notification to the American people that we are under attack!

  • 1 vote
#4.15 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:34 PM EDT
AlanG

The substances are known. The videos show nothing of value. I suggest that if there is anything of sprayed from the that directly people on ground crop dusters would be the first place. But those substances are well known also.

  • 3 votes
#4.16 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:17 PM EDT
mountainfirefall

there you go again alang.... you forgot to use *imo* at the end of your sentences. Or, do you wish to give us your credentials?

  • 1 vote
#4.17 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:20 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimitedExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

AlanG ..... you need to go away .... the California prosecutor is counting your offensive, aggressive, stalking behavior. If you continue ..... you will be deleted, period .... fair warning.

  • 2 votes
#4.18 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:26 PM EDT
AlanG

you forgot to use *imo* at the end of your sentences.

In reference to open comments on a free, glorified message board the "imo" is always understood. At least, I have no trouble understanding that.

  • 3 votes
#4.19 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:08 PM EDT
oldecrankyman

Wundermap www.wunderground.com 24 Hour Weather Loop www.weather.gov 24 Hour Water Vapor Loop

Water Vapor Loop.

Water vapor.

What contrails are made of.

  • 3 votes
#4.20 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:22 AM EDT
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Steve-2081387

What are these chemtrails and what do whoever is making them say they are for?

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:28 PM EDT
Dr Know

Corexit is sprayed at nearly sea level to disperse oil spills. It has no use over land much less at high altitude.

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:50 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Eating California food? Your eating aluminum hydroxide/oxide, barium oxide, strontium oxide.!!!!!

Mangels’ high altitude soil and surface water tests show alarmingly high levels aluminum hydroxide/oxide, barium oxide, strontium oxide. These levels are off the charts for what the EPA considers safe, yet they refuse to investigate. In addition to toxicity, these chemicals make soil pH 10-20 times higher than normal and make it difficult for plants to grow. http://foodintegritynow.org/2011/03/07/food-integrity-now-francis-mangels-chemtrails-e36/

Seeding Fukushima hot clouds? http://www.zamg.ac.at/pict/aktuell/20110318_fuku_Cs-137-glob_logo.gif

Chemtrail Spraying is Illegal Under U.S. Law
U.S. Legal Code - US House of Representatives / TITLE 50, CHAPTER 32, Sec.1520a
Sec. 1520a. - Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents A. Prohibited activities - The Secretary of Defense may not conduct (directly or by contract) -
(1) any test or experiment involving the use of a chemical agent or biological agent on a civilian population; or (2) any other testing of a chemical agent or biological agent on human subjects.
B. Exceptions - Subject to subsections (c), (d), and (e) of this section, the prohibition in subsection (a) of this section does not apply to a test or experiment carried out...

In a landmark consensus decision, the 193-member UN Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) will close its tenth biennial meeting with a de facto moratorium on geoengineering projects and experiments. “Any private or public experimentation or adventurism intended to manipulate the planetary thermostat will be in violation of this carefully crafted UN consensus,” stated Silvia Ribeiro, Latin American Director of ETC Group.

The agreement, reached during the ministerial portion of the two-week meeting which included 110 environment ministers, asks governments to ensure that no geoengineering activities take place until risks to the environmental and biodiversity and associated social, cultural and economic impacts risks have been appropriately considered as well as the socio-economic impacts. http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2010/10/28/un-votes-to-ban-chemtrails/

The Earth as a weapon in 21st Century wars
source: By Rahab S. Hawa / bariumblues.com
The weapons of war in the new millennium would involve the use of planet earth itself as a weapon, harnessing the power of natural processes for war. At the Peoples' Health Assembly in December 2000 in Dhaka, Bangladesh, Dr. Bertell revealed to a shocked and incredulous audience that 'the latest weapons in the arsenal of the US military is Planet Earth itself ... and weather will be one of the worst destructive weapons by the year 2025'. Dr. Bertell was referring to how engineered earthquakes and tornadoes could wreak havoc on populations and nations. According to her book, electromagnetic weapons 'have the ability to transmit explosive and other effects such as earthquake induction across intercontinental distances to any selected target site on the globe with force levels equivalent to major nuclear explosions'...

  • 3 votes
#6.1 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:09 AM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Eugenicists and Silent War, Giggling and Sneers, Decimate Populations, Unwitting “Volunteers”

August 18th, 2011

Being Wild or Domesticated Dictates How We Decide
To Tackle the Problem of Our Own Genocide,
I.Q.’s are Dropping, Young Men Less Virile,
Too Many Find They are Almost Sterile,
Yes, The New God of Science, Looking at Health,
Seems to Be Waging P.R. War by Lies and Stealth,
Something’s Wrong as We’re Dumber and Sicker,
Yet Professionals Tell Us to Believe and Not Bicker,
Just to Obey Them, “It’s for Your Own Good”
Mandating Pesticide-Laden GM Food,
Vaccines for Everything Except Preventing Disease,
Injected Biowarfare Takes Us Down with Ease

Poem by Alan Watt – More Here

  • 2 votes
#6.2 - Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:36 AM EDT
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GOZO-unlimited

On August 13, 2011 the ghouls came out at about noon .... the chem soldiers got to sleep in (it's Saturday). So again today, the chemtrails, chemclouds are resuming with more of the same health affects. And don't forget our regulator, overseer is unavailable on weekends ....probably on vacation. Will bring more eyewitness reporting from You Tube tommorrow .... (about what is happening today). Stay inside, Keep yourself safe.

  • 2 votes
Reply#8 - Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:11 PM EDT
gmc360

The X-files was just a TV show folks, where vast conspiracies involving hundreds of scientists, engineers, government bureaucrats, and an the entire Air Force succeed with ease and nary a whistle blower is to be seen or heard.

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:43 AM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

August 13 .... update form the wistleblowers of America ....

8/13/2011 -- MOVING scalar square - Houston, TX / ...

watch the video explanation of "HAARPrings and scalar squares": www.youtube.com All the links I have assembled so far: www.dutchsinse.com www ...

by dutchsinse|1 day ago|5,460 views

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Weather Modification, Plume, Dramatic Pressure, Chemtrails, Haarp Clouds 8-13 ...

Possible plume coming from SE corner of CA. Nothing on satellite at the time in the area. Extreme pressure showing up SW of Baja... wild clouds on ...

by squirrelstyle|18 hours ago|19 views

Activity seemed to dwindle Saturday afternoon. People I am in contact with are reporting feeling sick with sinus and upper respiratory congestion, headaches. A side affect or the intent?

  • 1 vote
#9.1 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:01 PM EDT
AlanG

...or respiratory allergies to normal outdoor stuff.

  • 2 votes
#9.2 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:21 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Update 8/17/2011 My case (complaint/report) was assigned to inspector Giannone whom promptly revealed that even though he is an inspector for valley air/pollution control, he had NEVER .... heard of geo-engineering. He knew about cloud seeding but was not familiar with more sophisticated techniques (like creating clouds with chemicals). He also stated he had no interest in learning about geo-engineering. I pointed out, that since his job is to inspect air pollution complaints that include health affects, geo-engineering would fall within his purview.

I think I got assigned to the wood shed, the locked door. These people not only refuse to do their job .... they insult you while they flip you off. So I requested that the senior inspector Tom ....assign my case to someone either familiarwith what I am reporting or willing to find out .... my doctor is waiting to find out what made me sick. Waitin on the regulator/overseers to do their job!

  • 1 vote
#9.3 - Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:20 PM EDT
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gmc360

A whistle blower is not another conspiracy theorist as found in those links, but is commonly understood to be an insider who blows the whistle on their own organization - think the wikileaks soldier. I have not seen or heard of such a credible person on this topic, nor the 911 conspiracies for that matter. This is science fantasy convoluted with political paranoia, which is why there is such little evidence in support of it and why there are no credible scientists or meteorologists pursuing it.

According to a NASA senior scientist:

"...the theory is a hoax which "has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications". I am not sure what more can be said."

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/question/?id=6031

Now if this guy or one of his peers blows the whistle, it will be instantaneous worldwide front page news, but that will never happen outside an X-files episode.

  • 5 votes
Reply#10 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:32 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimitedExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Looking ridiculous was your choice ....

  • 2 votes
#10.1 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:00 PM EDT
gmc360

What exactly is ridiculous, pointing out the actual definition of whistle blower and the lack of any on this topic?

That response is as lacking as the conspiracy. This theory began on the Internets in 1996 and has gotten close to nowhere in 15 years. That is ridiculous. Don't you think something credible would have surfaced in that time? The alternative is - if it were true and you guys had all this time to expose it yet have not, then the only thing to explain that is sheer incompetence. Have any of the promoters of this conspiracy gone mysteriously missing? No... because nobody cares what happened to X-files devotees once the series ended.

  • 5 votes
#10.2 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:36 PM EDT
mountainfirefall

you use a false logic.

because 'no one' exposed' creditable information... the existence of frequency technology is null.

right.

and what exactly is credible... an intelligent person witness HAARP personally, understands the technology, but is not 'accredited' as an expert... means?

what.

please try harder.

  • 1 vote
#10.3 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:57 PM EDT
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mountainfirefall

you paid hourly?

  • 1 vote
#10.5 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:25 PM EDT
gmc360

Salaried consulting engineer. That all you got?

  • 2 votes
#10.6 - Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:51 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Consultant trolll ..... how special. When you have something to add.... let us know, We are not responsible for your lack of knowledge or the cover up that you feel compelled to maintain. How is a water resources engineer an expert on this topic? Reveal your bonfeddes ......

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#10.7 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:02 AM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

So ..... made my formal complaint to the SJVARB this morning. Going on 3:00pm .... inspector has not responded to my complaint.

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#10.8 - Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:46 PM EDT
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GOZO-unlimited

Report/Complaint complete .... now we will wait for resolution.

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Reply#12 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:30 AM EDT
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AK Luahiwa

My sister works for the FAA as a supervisor controller. I asked her about these chem-trails and she couldn't verify or deny that they exist. But what she did say was that certain altitudes will need to be completely free of planes so the government can run some kind of air tests, she said they have increased over the last two years and they don't tell her what exactly the tests are for, but chem-trails are a possibility. I live in socal and yes, the sky is full of trails, all day, every day.

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Reply#16 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:38 PM EDT
AlanG

That's because that is where the FAA is routing the aircraft.

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#16.1 - Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:16 PM EDT
AK Luahiwa

That's because that is where the FAA is routing the aircraft.

Of course, so the government craft can do testing but also release some chemicals that supposedly (condition the air). This is what she was told by the military, what this chemical is, is a mystery.

  • 2 votes
#16.2 - Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:18 PM EDT
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AK Luahiwa

LOL, when flying in civilian airspace, the FAA is always involved. I simply presented a fact to you, maybe you can explain what this conditioning agent is?

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#16.4 - Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:51 PM EDT
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On FAA involement: Again, it's wholly implausible and unnecessary. The governemnet has giant volumes of (already) restricted airspace at their disposal.

Yes, the military needs to inform the controllers of any air activity so they can clear the airspace. I'm not here to change your mind, you seem to be the one who is challenging the information I've presented, for what purpose, I'm not sure?

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#16.6 - Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:33 AM EDT
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Call me Corndog.

All because its on Youtube doesn't make it true.

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Reply#20 - Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:26 AM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

When you see it over your head .... and you breath it in .... and it makes you sick ..... you know it's real.

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#20.1 - Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:19 PM EDT
oldecrankyman

Gozo, you're breathing in stuff that's 4 miles over your head? How do you do that?

  • 5 votes
#20.2 - Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:23 PM EDT
AlanG

Obviously Gozo what is making you sick is at ground level. PLENTY of stuff there to accomplish that. Like all that pesticide sprayed on the ground. Just a thought.

  • 2 votes
#20.3 - Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:34 PM EDT
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gmc360

Interesting paradox at work here:

I am soooo open-minded I can buy into crackpot theories with virtually no evidence.

In support of my open-mindedness, I have to be soooo closed-minded as to censor those who challenge the lack of evidence.

Go ahead and delete this, I'll keep pecking at it until the ratio of standing to deleted comments is 1:1.

  • 3 votes
Reply#21 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:40 PM EDT
gmc360

Manual restoration of a deleted comment:

Censorship: so easy a hypochondriac can do it

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Reply#22 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
gmc360

Manual restoration of a deleted comment:

^^^ I guess swinging wild just goes with that territory. So by your logic nobody should comment on anything outside their own narrow specialty, no matter how painfully obvious. Maybe only journalists have the bonafides to comment on "Newsvine."

The thing that really gets me about these crackpot theories is that it feeds the narrative of the right that the left is a bunch of kooks. Good job. There are actual battles to be fought for truth and justice, but instead of engaging in reality it seems there is a competition among some just to be the larger non-conformist.

I find the growth of conspiracy theories to be one of the greatest ironies of the "information age." So wait another 15 years and I guarantee you, no whistle blower, no front page news...but maybe another X files movie, who knows?

  • 2 votes
Reply#23 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Hey guys ..... I appreciate your comments. Mind shift ..... I'm going on a miraclecation ... we have another miracle in the works....(more than one). I have left this issue in the hands of the compliance officer at the above referenced agency. I will post the results of the investigation when I get it. Should be interesting .... an area we all have allot to learn about. Thanks for your input. I hope to have more answers to questions soon ...... In the meantime behave yourselves.

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#23.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:35 AM EDT
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We are talking about HAARP now? I didn't realize we changed conspiracy channels, my bad. But yes, same goes for HAARP. People have been trying and failing for a few years longer on that channel. I never said frequency technology doesn't exist, hell I am on a wireless network. The wild conspiracies are a laugh though, but I understand you want to believe.

  • 2 votes
Reply#24 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:47 PM EDT
gmc360

Manual restoration of a deleted comment:

Censorship: not just for The Man anymore

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Reply#25 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:47 PM EDT
gmc360

Wait wait wait, I take it all back. NOW I am a believer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8

  • 3 votes
Reply#26 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:21 PM EDT
oldecrankyman

gmc, that's some funny stuff. I'm sure she's correct though, there weren't rainbows 20 years ago...

"What is oozing out of our ground?"

LMAO

So how did you get your comments restored?

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#27 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:38 PM EDT
gmc360

I 'manually restored' them. You get an email from newsvinehelp when a comment is deleted which quotes the comment. So I just went into my email and made some copy pasta and served it back onto this seed.

This Gozo character is out of control with the deletions. Agent Moulder would be ashamed.

  • 3 votes
#27.1 - Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:57 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Now .... Now .....

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#27.2 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:37 AM EDT
oldecrankyman

Nice, I'll have to give that a go.

  • 1 vote
#27.3 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:07 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

So ..... the above mentioned agency does not believe geo-engneering (chemical cloud production) causes air pollution .... so referred me to the EPA. They don't want to pick up this hot potato. Will pursue the EPA .... No chemspray over my head since my complaint ....

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#27.4 - Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:16 PM EDT
oldecrankyman

No chemspray over my head since my complaint ....

Persistant high pressure system with very dry conditions...

  • 3 votes
#27.5 - Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:52 AM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

No ..... we managed to create our own real clouds to push low pressure across the country .... punching Irene in the kisser. No chemspray needed here.

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#27.6 - Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:34 PM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

What caused the weakening of Irene was an inflow of dry air on the backside of the storm. That's pretty easily verified. If you're going to make such claims, you should at least make it match some sort of scientific reasoning. When you brutally slander the fundamentals of meteorology, you look even sillier with your conspiracy theories.

Try this, maybe... "The US government used HAARP to create a dry spot in the ENE area of Irene, which weakened the storm." or "the hurricane hunters are actually chemspray planes that release chemicals into hruricanes."

Then, you'd still be wrong, but wouldn't look QUITE as silly.

  • 2 votes
#27.7 - Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:15 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

The tranch made by western low pressure was on the other side ..... get it?

  • 1 vote
#27.8 - Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:19 PM EDT
AlanG

Yes...specifically, that clearly you don't. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

  • 3 votes
#27.9 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:26 AM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

You don't have to get it ... your problem .... not mine. Most likely why you haven't had a miracle in your life, nor should you expect one.

  • 1 vote
#27.10 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:29 AM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

That's okay. I'm an atheist. I don't believe in miracles. I have my 10-month old son, that's about as close as I'll come, and I'm content with that.

However, the trough in the jet stream only served to steer the storm, and keep it parked firmly on the east coast. There was a pretty powerful Atlantic high pressure system. Between the high and the jet stream (where your trough was) the storm simply took a perfect line up the coast.

As to your claim that the trough injected dry air, a trough is a rain maker. Any trough that has established itself all the way up through the jet stream will be significant enough to cause rainfall. Not dry air, as you claim. This is easily verified.

Now, the dry air did originate in the western side of the storm. However, this is pretty common, especially for storms that ride the east coast. The logistics of it is quite simple, actually. If you were just off the east coast, on your west would be land. This land is drier than the ocean around it. Dry air inflow. No need for any trough steering or anything else. Just looking at a picture should be enough to explain to any competent adult.

Traditionally, when the air turns back from the west side to the east, it goes through the warmer southern waters and rehydrates. This did not occur in this case, because the storm had progressed so far north that there wasn't sufficient warm water off the eastern seaboard to cause anymore lift, and the dry air influx had already become prominent. Once this dry patch had wrapped from the west side, where we agree it began, to the east side, north of the eye, the storm began to weaken. There wasn't sufficient fuel, at that point, to maintain a hurricane.

Regardless, a trough IS fuel. A trough feeds hurricanes, in the lower levels of the atmosphere. The jet stream trough simply steered the storm, and it's pretty much set up where it always is this time of year, which, again, is easily verifiable.

  • 3 votes
#27.11 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:52 AM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Not in this case. I am not going to argue with your lack of knowledge .... a total waste of time. And I don't need to convince anyone that they received a miracle in this case. Be content with what you consider a miracle ... it's the only one your gonna get....your choice.

  • 1 vote
#27.12 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:43 AM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

That's alright. I expected that from someone of your caliber. I've been forecasting for a dozen years and studying weather even longer. I don't really need your validation, considering all the knowledge you've shown here. Besides, as I mentioned, this is all pretty easily verified. Pull up a constant pressure chart from Saturday night. Look up a trough, as it pertains to weather, and tell me what you find. Look up how low the pressure got in the hurricane, then try to tell me that the trough "punched Irene in the kisser".

Or, enjoy your ignorance. It doesn't really affect me, either way.

  • 3 votes
#27.13 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:49 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

I already did ... you need to spend your energy seeking the truth .... I'm not your mommy.

  • 1 vote
#27.14 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:17 PM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

Could I have sources, from where you researched your information, so that I could perhaps understand a little better?

  • 3 votes
#27.15 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:31 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Search for 'gozounlimited miracles' in the Newsvine search box. If you view "The Science of Miracles" along with related seeds .... you will understand.

  • 1 vote
#27.16 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:42 PM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

Wait... let me be sure I get this straight... YOU are YOUR OWN source?

  • 3 votes
#27.17 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:54 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

I guess that's for you to decide.

  • 1 vote
#27.18 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:05 PM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

With all due respect, I think I will just trust my USAF training, and dozen years of forecasting experience. Seems to offer a little more credence.

  • 3 votes
#27.19 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:18 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Like I said ..... your choice .... credence? Not seeing it. And if your right .... why do you have to work so hard to prove it? You can't.

  • 1 vote
#27.20 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:40 PM EDT
dAt crAzy bOk

No proof required, or attempted. I'm just a random dude on newsvine. Why would you count me as proof? That's just about dumb. However, NOAA and NASA and the Weather Channel and accuweather, and NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Fox News... they're a little more than random dudes on newsvine, and they've all proven it already. I was just trying to offer information so you didn't look so vastly unintelligent regarding a topic you were discussing.

I would say I have failed.

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#27.21 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:53 PM EDT
GOZO-unlimited

Had you followed NOAA when I was ..... you would seen what I am talking about. Also Weather Channel acknowledged the western low (tranch, trough) and it's affect on Irene. You must have missed it. But your the expert.

  • 1 vote
#27.22 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:52 PM EDT
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dAt crAzy bOk

That's alright, NOAA keeps past records. What is it that you were talking about, I can just go over to NOAA and look it up?

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