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Indiana 'Right-to-Work' (For Less) Battle Heats Up

Seeded on Fri Jan 6, 2012 11:42 AM EST

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Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) and his allies in the state legislature are pushing so-called 'right-to-work' legislation in Indiana that they claim will create jobs when, in reality, the legislation is a thinly-veiled assault on Indiana workers. Two bills before the legislature, HB 1001 and SB 269, would establish Indiana as a 'right-to-work' state. The bills are based on model legislation from the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) and are a top priority for Republicans. An ad campaign in favor of the bills is being funded by a mysterious group known as the Indiana Opportunity Fund that refuses to divulge its donors.

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Marty Wolfson, an economics professor at the University of Notre Dame’s Higgins Labor Studies Program, finds that contrary to proponents’ claims—such as those by the Chamber of Commerce, the extremist American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) and others—so-called right to work laws actually lower wages for all workers, union and nonunion alike.

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#1 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 11:43 AM EST

gmross

I have lived in "right to work states" and it is more than just the lowering of the wages to unlivable standards it is the fact that instead of a right to work it is a right to get fired law. What I mean by this is that if you don't like the wage that you are "offered" by the employer then you have the right to look elsewhere for work, because as one employer said to me in Florida, "I have hundreds of applications sitting on my desk for your job."

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#1.1 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 11:49 AM EST

Holly-348328

it is more than just the lowering of the wages to unlivable standards it is the fact that instead of a right to work it is a right to get fired law.

I live in a right-to-work state as well and you are absolutely right. "At will" employment isn't always a good thing. I did work for a union when I worked at the grocery store, and it was bliss. The wages were awful, but the union made sure we had benefits and if you did something wrong and needed to be disciplined, your supervisor had to go through the union in order to do it. They didn't like that!

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#1.2 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:20 PM EST

I'm Ringo

If someone wants to join a union, this in no way prevents them. It DOES protect workers from being fired for being in a union or for not being in a union. This would be beneficial to many people. My uncle, for example, as a school teacher who has the choice 'join this particular union' or 'be fired'. My hometown is in Indiana. Used to be a big union town in the industrial sector. Then all those union jobs left. Now, just last year, it got a major new industry in town....moved because it got pushed out by a union elsewhere.

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#2 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 6:45 PM EST

Holly-348328

I don't think anyone should be forced to join a union, but it seems unions are able to get better benefits and wages going. I live in a right-to-work state, but did work for a union at King Soopers. Interesting that the new industry that came to town was pushed out by another union!

#2.1 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 12:49 PM EST

I'm Ringo

They got pushed out by their union.

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#2.2 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 4:05 PM EST

americandreamshattered

hmmm let me see if i get the wording just right, ok i join a union and another person decides not to, ok the other person makes the same wage as i do a union member, things are ok at first but a situation comes to light the other person is fired so this same said person is allowed to get the same union support as i do , remember, a union dues paying member and is allowed to recieve any compensation that my union gets for him/her, now how is that right? explain to me!!! i am paying for his/her right to have union representation and they have all the benefits as i do, remember the dues paying member? explain that one to me!!!!!@!

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#3 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 7:54 PM EST

Holly-348328

I think that person is known as a "freerider" and not really welcome as far as the union goes. However, I don't know what they do about people like that. I would assume they would try and weed them out as they are not collecting any dues from these folks.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/free_rider_problem.asp

#3.1 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 12:51 PM EST

americandreamshattered

•Numerous meetings conducted earlier this year by the Interim Study Committee on Employment provided overwhelming proof that making Indiana a "right-to-work" state will not improve our economy, according to State Rep. David Niezgodski (D-South Bend), who served on the committee. Niezgodski is also the ranking minority member of the Indiana House Standing Committee on Employment, Labor and Pensions.

hmmm seems to me that the dems in indiana are on to something, this is an excerpt from their fact finding commision.

http://www.in.gov/legislative/house_democrats/thisweek.html

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#4 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 1:01 PM EST

Holly-348328

Thanks for the link!

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#4.1 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 1:08 PM EST

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