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She was hot until 5 years ago. Now it looks like it's time for her to be put down, Old Yeller style.
Because she said some bad things about Bush, we should shoot her?
No, I don't care about that because then we'd have to shoot every celebrity. I just don't like her specifically. Accent? Fake. Body? Something (at least in my opinion) that shouldn't be flaunted.
The Old Yeller thing was a hyperbole. I just think she's a tad old to be doing what she's doing. Her most recent video, the one where she's dancing around in a one piece, has officially sterilized me.
I didn't know she said anything about Bush, I just think she sucks now.
Yeah, I bet it was because you don't think she's hot. "Neoconservative and proud," indeed.
Oh, so because I'm conservative, it's just gotta be because I disagree with her.
Hold on...wait for it...
No.
I don't know James that well, but I'm pretty sure he didn't mean that literally. ;-)
We know you are conservative James. If you were from the Left you would have accused the Cicone's of Mafia connections
I SPY:
I was mentioning my conservative leanings because of Matt Thomas' suggestion that I despise her for her politics.
Sorry James . My feeble attempt at humour was miss read. I was trying to point out that attacking you for your politics is worthless as you are an informed person and you make informed decisions. That entitles you to a certain amount of respect, which was dissed by the comment you refer to.
Not just the fact about her ever decreasing hotness, but her music sucks more and more with every new album. I also vote to "put her down, Old Yeller style".
why is this under Politics, because she said something about Bush!?
Should be re-tagged to entertainment. I do not see why people think that just because they are famous that we will listen to them for our life choices such as food, politics, job, lifestyle, etc.
When will they learn that they ENTERTAIN us, not INFORM us.
While I can certainly understand why you might think that Madonna shouldn't "inform" while entertaining, I would think that a large percentage of entertainment over the years has been political by nature and informative by design.
The two are not inseparable, by any means. (Consider many of the great anti-war rock albums of the 60s and early 70s.)
You have political opinions, do you not? (Everyone does.) You (probably) speak about them on occasion. (Most people do.) If I were a celebrity and I could say something on a stage that would be heard 'round the world and in a way that I knew would eventually make it's way "even" to the plugged ears of George W. Bush... you can bet I'd be on that podium with that megaphone. You can choose to not listen, but it's silly to say that they shouldn't use the voice they have if they have the means to use it.
Lastly, I don't expect that any of them expect you to care what they think -- though this seems to be the big complaint that many level against them. (Except perhaps Bono who, IMO, has good reason to want people to stand behind some of the things he stands for.)
I certainly don't think that you fit this category -- I don't know you -- but I suspect that many conservatives would not be unhappy if some prominent conservative and/or republican entertainers were more vocal about their politics. In fact, I bet they'd stand behind them, proud that they were willing to stand up for the things in which they believe without fear of being criticized. (I seem to recall a great to-do about the small # of celebrities that were lined up to present at the Republican National Convention in '04. For all the anti-celebrity vitriol that was spewed they sure were ready to trot out the few they could round up to support their agenda.)
Stop giving them both publicity! It's not like they need it, both have bigger ego's than most small countries, and both manage to entertain, shock & disappoint in equal values. Ignore them both!
When George signed up for it, it's not as if he didn't know what he was getting in to. He's a big boy and doesn't need you or anyone else to rush to his defence.
"Now watch this swing"
: )
I'm sorry I was trying to remain professional and objective, but he really is a sad, strange little man.
Yawn. Anyone remember the burning crosses in the Like A Prayer video way back in 1989?
I think the thing most people remember is that Jesus was black in that video.
I don't remember that (the Jesus reference), I do remember it included a pseudo-gospel choir.
I thought that dude was just some angel, and there was more furor over the angel (who was black) seeming to get all hot and heavy with Madonna (who was white). Madonna likes to cross racial and spectral boundries in one fell swoop.
Of course, I was only around 8 years old at the time, so my memory could be way, way off.
Madonna and other ego-trippers like Kanye West mock Jesus and Christianity all the time. It was not even very shocking when she did it in the 1980s. That is old hat.
If she really wanted to do something controversial, she would use some insulting imagery of another very famous religious figure in the news lately. That would really get people talking.
But she won't.
She only hits those who she knows won't hit back.
Everybody mocks Jesus, its just that the ego-trippers who make real money from it are the ones who claim to be spreading his word to the masses.
Using insulting imagery of religious figures is not controversial, its flame bait. Controversy is suggesting that there is more to the interpretation of religious teachings than most people want to get into.
Besides which, that kind of behaviour would be expected from a celebrity like Madonna, and would ignore it as such, which would tend to dimish the trolling effect.
This is a great thread because I don't have to act all political and crap and I can just say the following:
I would do her anyday. Her new album is hot, back to a dancing beat root. Don't know about the whole crucifix stuff, especially while everybody is going bananas over the "Da Vinci Code" so-called Controversy. I like her music, and she writes children books, so hey, she's Oh La La in my book.
Her fake accent drives me nuts as well, but as far as appearance goes, you've got to be kidding. I think she looks pretty damn good for pushing 50, myself. Anyone here would be lucky to look like that at fifty, heck, you'd be lucky to look like that at 40.
But oh, I forgot, all women have a sell-by date, and she's past it, huh? And since she is, let's "put her down" old yeller-style, because now that she's not a sexbot for your viewing pleasure, she's worthless, like a dog.
So when she attempts a pathetic attention grab on stage, instead of commenting on how she could be alienating some of her loyal fans, how she is using manipulating controversy to make a buck (which was perfectly acceptable when she was "hot" though, right?) and how she is using her position to force feed her views on her fans, or how her attempt to stay "edgy" has caused her albums to suck, the only thing you can come up with is "She's sooo not hot anymore!"
And, just like on the Dixie Chicks thread, I’ll say it again. It’s pretty sad that in 2006, this is still seen as the best insult someone can come up with for a woman is to slam her appearance.
My point was Madonna is way past her prime musically. Yeah she was cool in the mid 80's and early 90's. But her music sucks now and her use of cheap theatrics to pi$$ off and alienate a group of people doesn't make her music any better. Truth is it doesn't matter what the hell she looks like if I think her music sucks then I can say her music sucks.
I concur, just like I did on the D.C.s thread.
Well said, even if I don't happen to like her music all that well. But then, I never did.
Ballew74,
What's different in her music now than from the mid 80s and 90s?
What puts her past her prime musically, compared to the Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, Depeche Mode, U2, etc? (Groups who were at or "past" their prime in the same period,
but who are also still touring today).
Hell, I think she's pretty damn hot for a 40-something. I just don't like her music; never have, never will.
Haven't you been paying attention to political discourse, StacyM? Men aren't allowed to question women's views on politics, since we've been such jerks in the past about it. Looks are the only target we have left, because at least then the chauvenistic label is recognized from the start.
(I'm kidding please don't hurt me).
Cary Quinn,
I just never cared much for her music and as I grew up I cared even less. I must admit she does seem to try and retool herself for the times. But most of her attempts at making decent modern music aren't very good.
I am not a music critic, I just say what I feel. I think a lot of artist stick around longer than need be, and by doing this they put out a lot of sub par music that doesn't do much for their careers. People buy their music out of loyalty and go to the concerts for nostalgia purposes. Who can blame them for sticking around.
@ Ballew:
Yep. That's kind of my point. There are so many things that people can rail on her about and it would be deserved. Which is why I find it a little disheartening that the slam that the author picked was "old", and by his claim that her body should be covered up, I don't think he was talking about "old" musically.
@ Cary Quinn:
Not quite sure, just know that I personally haven't liked anything she's put out recently. I kind of lost faith in her after that one psuedo-techno album of hers (Ray of Light, I think?) came out. It seems like she used to put a lot more into her actual music, now it's just a repeating synth riff and a drum kit.
@ Steve Watts:
Rarrr! ;)
STACYM:
I totally agree with you. Even though I am not a fan of her music, her accent,her new fashion style, her "Kabbalah" beliefs and or that she doesn't let her kids watch TV ( I wonder why, maybe she's afraid they might get a glimpse of what Mommy has done or rather who's she's done) - I can still appreciate her beauty.
I actually saw her at a restaurant in LA looking very casual and wearing no make up. I couldn't believe how beautiful she looked in person. I know staring is rude, but I couldn't take my eyes off her! She looked like a porcelin doll.
Also, just an FYI - My 6yr old daughter came up to me holding a book and exclaimed, " I love this book". I looked at it and it was Madonna book called "The English Roses".
She also crossed a picket line formed by the members of the International Alliance of Stage Employess (stage hands) who have been locked out of the venue the was performing at (Inglewood Forum)
For more information you can check out the IATSE Local 33 website or you can go directly to the page on the strike at http://ia33.org/action/la_forum.htm
you can watch the video from ABC7 here or you can read the La Times Story hereand there is also a story here
She is hideous and should have gave up the live performances several years ago. The fact she spews her politics and relious antics on stage are just to get people to come see her. After all, her looks and dancing are not the reason to go.
Come on folks - her stock in trade is controversy! And any president is an easy mark for entertainers - the cross thing gave her a tie-in to the Da Vinci code. It's all entertainment. As for her being old, well Tina Turner who easily twenty years her senior is still way hotter than Madonna could hope for AND gives excellent show!
Mad's fun on stage, even if she's rehashing her stuff - why not squeeze a few more bucks out of her material - girl.
Instead of the cross she should have commited autoerotic asphyxiation with a kabala cord.
Are you guys trying to top each other with abusive rhetoric?