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This Is Your Mind. This Is Your Mind On Conservatism. Any Questions?

News Type: Opinion — Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:54 AM EDT
health, race, conservative, psychology, mind
By Metal Guitarist
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Conservatives these days......

What they are thinking?

They want to cut social spending, which is something they have always been about. I get that part. However, there has been something much more sinister going with the conservative "mind" over the course of the past forty years.

Today's conservative has a passion for militarism which rivals that of a teen sexual encounter at the senior prom, and their level of austerity is straight out of one of Charles Dickens' novels. Add religious faith to the mix and the only way one can tell whether they are reading about someone from the United States or someone from the Middle East is whether there is a cross or a cresent by their name.

It's really all about lying.

Remember when Donald Rumsfeld said that we knew were Saddam hid his alleged weapons of mass destruction?

Remember when George W. Bush said that Iraqi oil revenues were going to pay for the war?

Remember when Dick Nixon said that he sought peace with honour in Vietnam-and then he bombed Cambodia in 1970?

And then there is the conservative's level of fear. He seems to fear anyone and anything which is beyond his front door. The funny thing is that you are more likely to be raped in Middle America than you are in the sinful big city. Just ask the FBI, if you don't believe me.

Conservatives fear that Democrats are after their guns, but did they ever take your .22? No, they only went after the guns no one needs and few people are properly trained to operate safely-automatic rifles.

Conservatives fear anyone who isn't white.

Harold Ford, Jr. was railroaded in the 2006 campaign. Remember the dumb blonde chick at the end of one of the ads who said, "Call me!"?

Tom Bradley was winning the race for California governor back in 1982, and then suddenly....people changed their minds and went with the safe white choice.

And then there's the issue of the president and the rumours of his religious faith, despite the fact that he is a Christian.

While a conservatives always speak of responsibility, she is the first to assign blame-and the scapegoat is always the undocumented worker-never mind that she has had them in her home for nine years.

Why do sociopaths have conservative tendencies (Ted Bundy!)? Why do they live in fear when their Bible tells them not to and why have they no compassion for those lives which they wish to force into the world, only to cut money from the school lunch program at a later date?

According to Psychology Today, 88 samples in 12 countries showed that there are several variables for political conservatism.

Conservatives seem to fear death more than others. They hate any sign of system instability. They fear loss. Surprisingly, they have seem to have low self-esteem.

What researchers found most frightening about political conservatism was its resistance to change and its justification of inequality. They also found that conservatives are unable to deal with complexities and ambiguities.

To a conservative who didn’t comprehend the previous sentence, it means that you see things in black and white-and we’re not talking race, now. It’s like being in a Baskin-Robbins and having to decide whether you want Mommy to buy you chocolate ice cream or vanilla ice cream, but not both because you won’t eat it if the chocolate and vanilla mix together.

They also are unable to understand anyone who preaches hope instead of fear.

Look at how a conservative votes, he always votes for the one who tells him to be afraid and to vigilante. He almost never votes for the one who encourages him to look outside his door.

Now, why a conservative would fear death when they think they are going to live forever in Heaven with Jesus is beyond me, but facts are facts. Why would conservatives fear loss when they have lost more under Republican administrations than under Democratic administrations?

GM was the number one carmaker in the world when Bill Clinton was in the White House. It was under the next guy’s administration that Toyota became number one. Wages rose under Clinton and became stagnant after the next guy took over.

The high-paying jobs left America with the white guy, but they want to blame the black guy for their problems.

There you go-conservatism at its lowest.

To summarize, the conservative is someone who looks for a scapegoat while he chooses to live in fear. He withholds, but comes to poverty, as his Bible warned that he would, and he looks for a threat where none exists all the while dooming his own future because he chooses not to address the social needs of his children.

Were he not so cruel, I would say that the conservative should be pitied for his ignorance and intolerance. However, since he is cruel to those whom he disagrees with, I say he should be pointed and laughed at for the ignorance which he accepts as fact-all because he heard it from someone.

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Metal Guitarist

Don't blame me, buoys and gulls. I'm just the messenger with the message is all. You're the ones who have to find it within yourselves to change.

As y'all always say: "Accept personal responsibility."

  • 23 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:56 AM EDT
ABD3

Nice job! Easy vote...for your article AND on November 2nd!

  • 12 votes
#1.1 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:47 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Danke!

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:16 PM EDT
landspirit

Great article and voted up. When I read the title I was thinking of a picture of a lump of shriveled brain tissue sitting on top of a brain stem (Conservative) and then of a health brain glowing with energy and life (non-Conservative).

  • 10 votes
#1.3 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:57 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Spasiba!

Um....look for the implanted microchip in the back of their necks.

  • 7 votes
#1.4 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:23 PM EDT
Peed-off Peon

More senseless ranting.

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:27 PM EDT
bonos_rama

Excellent article, Metal!!

  • 9 votes
#1.6 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:36 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Gacias, senor!

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:53 PM EDT
McSpocky

Great article! I love it...

  • 9 votes
#1.8 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:07 PM EDT
Agent 57

very good... I'd said long ago on here many conservatives have low self esteem,, you pretty much echoed that...

  • 7 votes
#1.9 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:31 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Maybe you should dedicate this song to them.

Self Esteem - The offspring

  • 6 votes
#1.10 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:42 PM EDT
bonos_rama

SenorA...

;)

  • 4 votes
#1.11 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:48 PM EDT
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Babylon of Gerbil

Bill Clinton is the most conservative president we have had in my life time. Just a side note though, Gm was in trouble during those years.

  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:17 AM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Always blame the working man, don'cha?

First the company has to be allowed to cut labour costs, then it's Obama's fault because no one can afford to buy things. I love it when conservatives go both ways-and we haven't even addressed elevators yet!

Ever heard of Ronald Reagan and the Bush family?

  • 18 votes
#2.1 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:18 AM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Henry Ford paid his workers $5 a day. So much for labour costs, huh?

  • 12 votes
#2.2 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:22 AM EDT
Babylon of Gerbil

I don't blame the working man at all. Gm had more Managers per employee than any other company in the world. Their benefit packages were ridiculous. Sure labor costs were higher than the other auto companies but during the 90s the problem was with management comp. Some of the demands by union executives was very shady too. The union executives made out like bandits. The average worker in the 90s was paid over 90k per year. I bet alot of people would like those jobs today! I am not a Republican.....far from it????

  • 7 votes
#2.3 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:31 AM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Whose benefit packages-the assembly worker or the clown in management who made all the bad deicisions which put GM on the brink in the first place? Shouldn't the guy who works on that assembly line for 25 years be entitled to a pension which would last him the rest of his life?

That doesn't seem so far-fetched to me, it's more like corporate responsibility.

  • 10 votes
#2.4 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:35 AM EDT
MJV in Wisconsin

Shouldn't the guy who works on that assembly line for 25 years be entitled to a pension which would last him the rest of his life?

Um ... no.

No more then I (who has worked 27 years in the IT industry) am entitled to one ...

  • 6 votes
#2.5 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:10 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

So, you should just work until you drop dead then. Is that it, MJV?

  • 8 votes
#2.6 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:18 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Funny how you call Bill Clinton a conservative when Newtie, George, Sr. and Trent called him a liberal-and still do!

  • 8 votes
#2.7 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:19 PM EDT
Salero21

Shouldn't the guy who works on that assembly line for 25 years be entitled to a pension which would last him the rest of his life?

Not necessarily! Retirement actually is overrated in a self-indulgent and Hedonistic society.

I have known people who worked 40 and even more than 50 years. Not because they had to, or because they didn't plan well; but because they wanted too. Because they felt it was the right and better thing to do with their time and their lives. Both Employers and Government should have more appreciation for people like that. Who btw have a lot to bring to the table. Like ever heard of, Experience and accumulated knowledge.

Not the least that Retirement Systems, both Public and Private are almost like a Ponzi Scheme at that. imvho.

  • 2 votes
#2.8 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:53 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Ah! That good old Puritan work ethic!

No wonder why those on the right take up witch hunts in whatever time they can spare.

  • 7 votes
#2.9 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:22 PM EDT
MJV in Wisconsin

So, you should just work until you drop dead then. Is that it, MJV?

No, not at all. It is the word "entitled" that I take issue with.

I'm not "entitled" to anything I don't save for myself. I understand that there are contracts out there and the people that retire under that contract are "entitled" to the benefits outlined in that contract, but those who are still working have to understand that the weight of those pensions are what are driving companies (and governments) under, and the rest of us shouldn't be responsible for shoring up those over sized, out of control pensions.

If that 25 year worker started at age 20, that means he retires at age 45. This has the potential of having the company support a non-productive (retired) worker for longer then the worker actually worked at the company (average life expectancy of 78 - data taken from World Bank, World Development Indicators 2008). It is this sort of debt overhead that cripples a company and is an old, outdated model in the global business environment we are currently in.

  • 3 votes
#2.10 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:22 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Well, we can extend that to air and water, too.

What did Tommy Jefferson write in the Declaration of Independence back in '76?

  • 5 votes
#2.11 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:45 PM EDT
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greg-709692

White, White, White, White.

Is that all you got, Racist ????????????????????

Just in case any "Community" members want to delete this, read the article posted first.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:36 AM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Thank you, greg. No need to call people names now-unless you have a secret confession you'd like to get off your chest.

I'll bet you didn't know that I'm white!

Did I mention that conservatives love to censor different points of view?

  • 16 votes
#3.1 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:41 AM EDT
greg-709692

If you proclaim "White" in every other post, no matter if your white or not, your racist.

Color of your skin doesn't forgive that type act, nor is it an excuse.

  • 5 votes
#3.2 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:45 AM EDT
Metal Guitarist

You used the wrong variation of the word you're. Are you with the Tea Party, or what? Your post matches their rhetoric.

  • 9 votes
#3.3 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:47 AM EDT
greg-709692

You used the wrong variation of the word you're.

New that was coming!

Good job on a rebuttal!

Your so Liberally "HenPecked"!

  • 5 votes
#3.4 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:50 AM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Let's stickwith the issues, friend.

  • 7 votes
#3.5 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:56 AM EDT
greg-709692

You used the wrong variation of the word you're. Are you with the Tea Party, or what? Your post matches their rhetoric.

I did!

Your response, not mine!

  • 4 votes
#3.6 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:00 PM EDT
Mister Momo

Dude, if the article is about racism, then of course the word "white" will be used a lot. Nice deflection.

  • 7 votes
#3.7 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:03 PM EDT
greg-709692

if the article is about racism, then of course the word "white" will be used a lot.

It must have been then!

Go figure!

  • 3 votes
#3.8 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:17 PM EDT
ohiogal-479871

White, White, White, White.

Is that all you got, Racist ????????????????????

Ya know, MG talked more about "conservatism" and "fear" than he did about race.

However, you zoned right into on the example of race and forgot about the other examples that dealt with economy, war, guns and god.

That is the prime example of someone who is baited by race. One mention of it and that person is hooked, lined, and sunk, never to being able to see any other trees, let alone the entire forest.

you proclaim "White" in every other post, no matter if your white or not, your racist.

If you are racist based on how many times you say a color, then by your own logic, you are in the running for first place. In about two short posts you have said the word about the same number of times as it was written in an ENTIRE article.

  • 6 votes
#3.9 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:59 PM EDT
greg-709692

Let's see, 3 out of 4 paragraphs.

Nah! Nothing there?

I guess, 3 out of 4 dentists being for a toothpaste doesn't really make them for it, does it!

  • 5 votes
#3.10 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:04 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

That's because it's all they know. They claim to love God, but hate their brothers.

  • 9 votes
#3.11 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:07 PM EDT
idgad-2503640

These days conservative is bigotry, racism, ignorance, voodoo religious poison I can't even think of as religion and lies.

And the floggers beating their keyboards to death lying in defense of the pitiful ideological insanity and religious hysteria are perfect examples of just how low, vulgar and infantile "conservative" has become.

It isn't Christian, it isn't America, its lies and ignorance for damn fools, angry, intolerant hateful, bigoted, church crazy fools.

The question is just how many of these fools there truly are and whether or not the rational adults let the loudmouthed village idiots take over, again.

Me? I'm for sanity in politics and leadership. And what I see and hear from the political right, the conservatives, the GOP and their bastard child the teapottie, is anything but sane.

Palin, O'Donnell, Angle, Rand, Wilson, Bachmann, Beck.

If that is sanity to you then we have a serious problem.

  • 9 votes
#3.12 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

And worst thing about it is that these clowns claim to be people of God.

Read Psalm 50:16-23.

  • 7 votes
#3.13 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

Me? I'm for sanity in politics and leadership.

LOL. Do these names ring a bell? Rangel, Waters, Reid, Conyers, Bawney Frank, Burris, Meeks, and Watts? Yep - all of them have had or are having ethical issues. That is neither sanity nor leadership. Good ole Nancy said she was going to drain the swamp...hmm, guess not! What wonderfully sane leadership we have!

  • 4 votes
#3.14 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:52 PM EDT
bonos_rama

It's "Barney", not Bawney, although I'm sure that was just a typo. I doubt you are the kind of person that would make fun of someone's speech impediment (disability).

  • 10 votes
#3.15 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:42 PM EDT
edward j-1337034

whats the difference between a conservative republican, and a dumb racist teabagger.

one of their brains are both the same.

  • 7 votes
#3.16 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:24 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Made from rotten cabbage, right?

  • 7 votes
#3.17 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:49 PM EDT
Agent 57

yep... many conservatives are race-baiters but then "blame" the other guy for being a racist... it's in their play book, funny there's that Blame again...

LOL. Do these names ring a bell? Sanford, Ensign, Vitter, Cunningham, Renzi, McCain, Libby, Craig, Young, Lewis... Yep - all of them have had or are having ethical issues. some are felons some are perjurers... all are good old family values, love God and Country patriotic, republicans,...lol...

and we already know there is no sanity for many on the right...

  • 8 votes
#3.18 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:55 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

"we already know there is no sanity for many on the right..."

No patriotism, either.

  • 7 votes
#3.19 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:27 PM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

Well, lets see, Cunningham convicted and gone, Stevens was cleared of ethics charges, and then he met His Maker. Hey, you know, I just remembered ole John Murtha had the same fate - he was also under investigation.

the rest you list are not listed as under ethics investigations...

Renzi (R) is retiring...how convenient

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Category:Members_of_Congress_under_investigation

BTW, what do you care if some of these others have moral issues...you guys are okay with everybody else fooling around, why can't they? I haven't seen them force their supposed morality on you...

Barney Fwank causes you consternation? I just thought that was how all the people up there talked...LOL, ya know like "pawk da caw?"

  • 3 votes
#3.20 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:00 PM EDT
Agent 57

Yep - all of them have had or are having ethical issues.

have had or are having... your words...

the rest you list are not listed as under ethics investigations...

Ensign is under investigation now and will probably be brought up on felony charges.. (FBI& Senate Ethics)

Sanford paid a $140,000 in fines and restitution for his 37 ethics violations\charges.

Vitter. new charges have been filed with the ethics committee.

Renzi . is currently the subject of two Justice Department investigations (Indicted)

Young. currently under investigation.. DOJ

Lewis . currently under investigation... DOJ

also note, from your link on SourceWatch... 18 of the 25 listed are republicans...

BTW, what do you care if some of these others have moral issues...you guys are okay with everybody else fooling around, why can't they? I haven't seen them force their supposed morality on you...

as for moral issues.... I believe I've heard it's the republicans that run on family values and being morally superior... it's in "The Pledge"... going to talk the talk need to walk the walk..

  • 3 votes
#3.21 - Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:25 AM EDT
Agent 57

Yes there are Democrats with ethics issues those that deserve to be held accountable should be,,, those that aren't shouldn't...

unlike you I don't make excuses for them..

if there are issues resolve them.. charge them or absolve them.

  • 2 votes
#3.22 - Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:31 AM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

What is your source for this on Ensign, Vitter? They are not listed, sorry...As to the ones who are listed these are done:

LOL, Foley, Doolittle, Steven, Renzi, Ney, and some of the others are done - indicted, convicted, retired, or finished.

Now can the same be said of: Burris, Waters, Rangel, Massa, Menendez, Harmon, Mullolhand- all Dems still in Congress (except Massa who was outed because he voted against the healthcare bill)? Nope they just keep on running for office, don't they? And idiots keep electing them!

unlike you I don't make excuses for them..

nope, no excuses for them or any others...guilt on both sides...which was what I was trying to point out in post 3.14. Just a couple more questions though, how is that "swamp draining" coming? The "most ethical Congress" ever? Yeah, sure,,,"we'll get right on it that, after the election". Another failure in leadership?

  • 2 votes
#3.23 - Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:44 PM EDT
Mister Momo

It must have been then!

Yes, it was.

Writing about racism does not make the author racist.

  • 3 votes
#3.24 - Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:44 PM EDT
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Howard CunninghamDeleted
TiG.

MG

GM was the number one carmaker in the world when Bill Clinton was in the White House. It was under the next guy's administration that Toyota became number one.

So you argue that a 'conservative' POTUS is actually bad for big domestic business? Bush, BTW, hardly operated as a fiscal conservative so are you trying to argue that GM's continued loss of market share was a result of Bush' religious views? One more thing, GM was steadily losing market share since the 80's largely because of its business model. GM was successful largely as the biggest auto manufacturer in a country that was growing in economic might. When serious price and innovation competition showed up GM never was able to retool its monstrous infrastructure to compete. Government regulations did not help GM nor did the strength of the UAW's negotiating power. But what killed GM was its inability to deal with disruptive technologies employed by highly motivated, innovative foreign competition.

Wages rose under Clinton and became stagnant after the next guy took over.

Wages are tied to the economy, not the POTUS. So at best you would have to argue that Clinton was responsible for the technology growth in the late 90's (the dotcom bubble) and Bush was responsible for the technology bubble bursting (2 months after he took office) and for the negative effects of 9/11. Of course that completely ignores the Legislative branch as well as the insignificant (/sarc) dynamics of globalization.

The high-paying jobs left America with the white guy, but they want to blame the black guy for their problems.

Wow. Now that is some fine race-baiting. So the color of one's skin is the key, huh?

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:10 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

"So the color of one's skin is the key, huh?"

Did you ever ask where John McCain was born? BTW, according to the Telegraph, President Obama gets thirty death threats per day.


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  • 7 votes
#4.1 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:55 PM EDT
TiG.

MG

Is that it? You respond only to the last sentence of my post and even then sidestep the point. How in the world did birther silliness enter this?

Obama death threats now? Where does this stuff come from?

  • 4 votes
#4.2 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:01 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

The facts beat your Rush/Beck/Palin talking points. All the insults and drug insinuations prove that your foundation is builit on sand.

  • 8 votes
#4.3 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:04 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Read your own post, TiG, and you'll find the answer to your own question regarding where race entered into it.

  • 7 votes
#4.4 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:09 PM EDT
TiG.

MG

Are you genuinely attempting to respond to my posts? Frankly I do not see where you have linked into anything I have posted.

Rush/Beck/Palin talking points? Drug insinuations?

Man, if you do not want to engage me then just ignore me. Throwing out entirely unrelated commentary makes you look .... well it does not make you look like you are paying attention.

  • 5 votes
#4.5 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:11 PM EDT
TiG.

MG

Read your own post, TiG, and you'll find the answer to your own question regarding where race entered into it.

Uh, MG, you must be having a very, very bad day. The point of the only sentence you responded to (sort of) was indeed race. You, on the other hand, responded with a birther comment. My question is what does John McCain's birthplace have to do with race?

If you need me to provide the quotes I will do so.

  • 5 votes
#4.6 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:14 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

You know what comes to mind? Proverbs 30:20.

"This is the way of an adulteress: She eats and wipes her mouth and says, 'I've done nothing wrong.'" New International Version, 1984

  • 5 votes
#4.7 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:25 PM EDT
TiG.

MG

:) Okay ... I will leave you to whatever has your attention.

  • 5 votes
#4.8 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Why do conservatives lack sophistication?

  • 4 votes
#4.9 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:22 PM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

"This is the way of an adulteress: She eats and wipes her mouth and says, 'I've done nothing wrong.

sounds like half or most of Congress...really sounds like Charlie Rangel the most, though. He had a big birthday bash with lots of top Dem people right after the ethics thing came down...of course they won't have the trial until AFTER the election and those people there will vote him in again...hmmm! Yep, MG I guess he was eating and wiping his mouth too.

  • 3 votes
#4.10 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:01 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

You mean the Republican half which goes after male interns?

  • 4 votes
#4.11 - Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:41 AM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

dang, Bawney Fwank and Eric Massa were Republicans...when did they switch parties?

  • 2 votes
#4.12 - Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:39 AM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Um....Mark Foley. Barney Frank likes men, not boys. Mark Foley is the attacker.

  • 2 votes
#4.13 - Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:01 PM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

Again, Bawney Fwank and Massa were Republicans? I did not know that.

Yes, you are right Bawney didn't go after intern but did like younger men: Steve Gobie ring a bell?

After an initial encounter in which he (Frank) paid Steve Gobie $80 for sex, the Congressman says he tried to lift the younger man out of drugs and prostitution (guess he just wanted him for himself huh? LOL) by hiring him to run errands. He wrote letters to Gobie's probation officer and paid his psychiatric bills. He allowed Gobie the use of a car and sometimes his apartment when he was out of town.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,958598,00.html#ixzz131aWuln8

#4.14 - Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:50 PM EDT
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Metal Guitarist

I see some interesting attempts to derail the conversation; not much in the way of why you are afraid of your own shadows or why you would rather starve poor people than hire them and give them health insurance.

You are proving my point here, that conservatism is a state of psychosis. There is something diabolical about it.

What about your fears and your hoarding; your justification for the way you look down upon others? None of you have addressed those issues-nor are you able to do so.

  • 6 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:29 PM EDT
greg-709692

why you would rather starve poor people than hire them and give them health insurance.

Your kidding right?

How do you expect companies to hire and give insurance, when they're not making enough money for themselves, or, are you going to pull the typical, "They make enough" attitude again.

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:40 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Synergetics Q4, 2010 profits increase - Topix

Oct 13, 2010 ... Synergetics Q4, 2010 profits increase. Full story: St. Louis Business Journal

HSBC Increases First Half 2010 Profits by 121% Compared to 2009 ...

Aug 5, 2010 ... HSBC Increases First Half 2010 Profits by 121% Compared to 2009. by CHRISTINE RICCIARDI. Barclays First Half 2010 Profits Jump 44% to $6.2bn ...
www.housingwire.com/2010/.../hsbc-increases-first-half-2010-profits-by-121-compared-to-2009 -

www.businessweek.com/.../2010.../gm-profit-rises-to-1-54-billion-on-auto-sales-gains.html
Apr 27, 2010 ... Ford Motor Co. posted first-quarter earnings of $2.1 billion, beating analysts' estimates, and boosted its full-year outlook as it reaped ...
www.businessweek.com/.../2010.../ford-posts-2-1-billion-profit-boosts-outlook-as-sales-rebound.html

GM Profit Rises to $1.54 Billion on Auto Sales Gains-Bloomberg, August 12, 2010

Care to try again, greg?

  • 8 votes
#5.2 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

just a thought here, but companies are holding onto their cash and profits because they are NOT sure what's coming next from Obama and Co. The rest of the seed is just silly rantings, IMHO.

http://www.ajc.com/business/companies-hold-on-to-592804.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/15/politics/washingtonpost/main6680641.shtml

BTW, I do find it funny that you posted GM's profit...they received 50 billion dollars from the taxpayer's and have paid back less than a 1/10 of it on their "profits". Yes, instead of paying back the money to the taxpayers and the national debt, they build a new plant, IN MEXICO with the profit they made off the taxpayers. Nice job Gubberment Motors.

http://fisherlady-1.newsvine.com/_news/2010/04/23/4196957-did-gm-really-pay-in-full-their-loan-as-the-ceo-and-the-vp-said

http://steadfastfinances.com/blog/2010/05/03/general-motors-loan-payback-commercial-sets-new-unethical-standard-in-advertising/

http://www.industryweek.com/articles/gm_to_build_new_vehicle__at_plant_in_mexico_22462.aspx

  • 3 votes
#5.3 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:04 PM EDT
bonos_rama

TW, I do find it funny that you posted GM's profit...they received 50 billion dollars from the taxpayer's and have paid back less than a 1/10 of it on their "profits". Yes, instead of paying back the money to the taxpayers and the national debt, they build a new plant, IN MEXICO with the profit they made off the taxpayers. Nice job Gubberment Motors.

Bush should have known better than to bail them out starting in September of 2008. Where's that "fiscal responsibility"?

  • 5 votes
#5.4 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:52 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Henry Ford wasn't sure what was around the corner and he didn't hold on to his cash.

  • 3 votes
#5.5 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:38 PM EDT
ABD3

Henry Ford wasn't sure what was around the corner and he didn't hold on to his cash.

I disagree. Ford knew unions were around the corner and he had no intention of disrupting production until he dominated the industry. Very shrewd play.

  • 1 vote
#5.6 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:37 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

You're saying that workers should be paid as little as possible. Sorry, but that's not how it works. The more you pay out, the more they are able to buy and thus stimulate the economy without government interference.

  • 5 votes
#5.7 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:32 PM EDT
ABD3

NO, no, no...you misinterpret my comment. That wage was more than double the industry standard at the time and considered quite generous. Ford was aware of the increasing influence unions were amassing and got out in front, he simply used the cash up front to delay unionizing his own plants until his dominance and brand were well established.

His concern was ALWAYS for himself, despite helping create the "middle class". He later used despicable tactics against those same workers when they pushed for unionization.

  • 1 vote
#5.8 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:39 PM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

Wow, nice deflection...

About GM, Yes, Bush gave them initial money through TARP (and he should not have), and Obama added to that amount...greatly!

The Bush administration went back on its word when it bailed out GM and Chrysler. They used TARP money for the bailouts. Treasury Secretary Paulson originally said the TARP money was only to be used only for financial institutions, and repeated that when the auto companies originally approached the administration for a bailout. So, GM and Chrysler went to Congress, but when Congress refused to bail them out Bush and Paulson did what they said they wouldn’t and gave the companies TARP money.

President Bush argued that the bailout was needed to keep GM and Chrysler out of bankruptcy, because nobody would want to buy cars from the companies if they went bankrupt... but after receiving bailout money from the Bush administration, and then another dose from the Obama administration, both companies declared bankruptcy in June anyway.

Because GM accepted the bailout money (all of it), President Obama forced Rick Wagoner out as GM CEO. Americans should have been outraged at the precedent that, apparently, gives the president of the United States the power to determine who will be the CEO of a private corporation.

When GM declared bankruptcy, because of the federal money GM had received, they strong-armed bondholders into accepting pennies on the dollar for the GM debt they held, while giving the United Auto Workers 17.5% ownership in the restructured company. Bankruptcy law does not give a company’s employees claims in front of debt holders.

At 50 billion into GM, and it is difficult to see how GM could ever raise enough money to buy their way out from under government control. Certainly they can’t borrow it, after the federal government screwed the previous bondholders.

http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=4357

Now care to answer the point...

1. We bailed them out (not once but twice)

2. They took the money as a loan

3. Now they say they may pay very slowly or may not be able to pay back the money (all the while the outgoing CEO made a cool 9 million dollar deal on the back of the taxpayers)

4. They also then use the "profits" not to pay back their loan, but to spend on "expansion"

5. And the American tax dollars are going overseas (and American jobs) to a new plant in Mexico and you don't see a problem with THAT!?

Now let me ask you, If you let somebody borrow money as a loan, you expect them to pay it back. Would you not be ticked if they went and bought a $2000 flat screen TV instead of paying you back? Yeah, you would...of course you would. Why is this any different?

Seriously, what the crap...blinders, perhaps? And this is exactly why the people in America are fed up!

  • 4 votes
#5.9 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:25 PM EDT
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hvymtl83

MG,

Tend to agree with you. However, the average person will not get the point until they experience it for themselves. In that vein, we will achieve far more by voting the crazies in to office than we will ever achieve by opposing. Let's let the American people experience the effects of extremism. That's the only way to teach the lesson. Yes, it will cause some pain - short-term pain for long-term gain.

  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

That's the problem with democracy, hvymtl83-average people run it.

  • 3 votes
#6.1 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:11 PM EDT
Howard CunninghamDeleted
Metal Guitarist

Isn't that what you said forty years ago, HC?

  • 2 votes
#6.2 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT
hvymtl83

MG,

Let me correct one point - we do not have a democracy. We have a Representative Republic. There is a huge difference.

  • 1 vote
#6.3 - Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:02 AM EDT
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Metal Guitarist

You didn't even get that one right, greg. It's 4 out 5 and the product in question was gum, not tooth paste. Facts and righties are like oil and water.

  • 6 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:15 PM EDT
RT8

Conservatives fear that Democrats are after their guns, but did they ever take your .22? No, they only went after the guns no one needs and few people are properly trained to operate safely-automatic rifles.

I don't hear many people complaining about Class III licenses or anything that actually has anything to do with automatic firearms. The problem is ridiculous restrictions like the AWB (had nothing to do with full-autos, and according to the definition they used of an "assault weapon", your .22 could be illegal as well) and the continued efforts of places like Chicago to make sure that only gang bangers have guns.

Reply#8 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:19 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Here's an idea.

Let's not create gangbangers in the first place by improving their access to opportunities-and building a college that they can't afford to attend doesn't count.

  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:27 PM EDT
RT8

Let's not create gangbangers in the first place by improving their access to opportunities-and building a college that they can't afford to attend doesn't count.

I won't make excuses for violent criminal behavior, especially when weapons are involved. There's always an honest way. Selling crack and doing drive-bys on your rivals because they're "on your turf" is no way to make a living. It's not like I could afford to pay for college "out of pocket" either. Everyone can go to high school, what you do with your education in your early years matters.

Let's just assume for a minute that increasing education and other "opportunites" will get rid of all criminal intentions. Are guns ok then?

#8.2 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:09 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

However, you'll justify every excuse for not properly funding social programs which could prevent kids in poor neighbourhoods from going down the wrong road in a futile attempt to escape a desparate situation which your neglect created in the first place.

  • 3 votes
#8.3 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:54 PM EDT
RT8

However, you'll justify every excuse for not properly funding social programs which could prevent kids in poor neighbourhoods from going down the wrong road in a futile attempt to escape a desparate situation which your neglect created in the first place.

When have I done that? I haven't stated any opinion about the funding of social programs. I started by pointing out the senselessness of some of the gun restrictions we have today, you're the one who managed to sneak social programs and poverty into the mix.

I'd love to hear your answer to my question though. If lack of opportunities creates poverty, poverty gives incentive for crime, and guns facilitate crime for those who are so inclined, what would you have to say about guns if everyone had good opportunities, thereby escaping poverty and not feeling that they have to resort to violent crime?

#8.4 - Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:04 AM EDT
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T is for T-time

Childishness 101.

  • 2 votes
Reply#9 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:44 PM EDT
Kimberly-430040

Agreed.

  • 2 votes
#9.1 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:08 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Then it's agreed-Republicans are children. They might as well be, judging by their level of maturity and their ability to reason.

"Mine! Mine! Mine!"

"Well, the Democrat cheated on his wife, too! Why am I the one in trouble? Gee, I thought this was going to be a fun meeting!"

  • 3 votes
#9.2 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:02 PM EDT
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Kimberly-430040

Conservatives fear anyone who isn't white.

Seriously? I am conservative and some of my best friends are Black and Hispanic.

They also are unable to understand anyone who preaches hope instead of fear.

I understand hope...try this on for size. I hope you will stop A$$UMING all Conservatives are as simple and easily categorized as this article you have written portrays them to be.=(

I also hope that we elect individuals this Nov. that bringe hope about with a real change...not just promising it and being unable to make good on their promises.

To summarize, the conservative is someone who looks for a scapegoat while he chooses to live in fear. He withholds, but comes to poverty, as his Bible warned that he would, and he looks for a threat where none exists all the while dooming his own future because he chooses not to address the social needs of his children.

LOL, as a conservative who donated well over 28% of my last years income to charitable organizations who help the individuals and families less fortunate in my community you are blowing some serious smoke out of your backside with this summary and I am not afraid to tell you, you are all kinds of wrong on this.

Surprisingly, they have seem to have low self-esteem.

LOL! Most of my Conservative friends are professional doctors, lawyers, teachers and in management. I can tell you they are anything but low in self esteem. I have been in a field for many years now myself where I speak at public gatherings about motivation and self esteem . From where I sit, looking over my own political and personal realm, you could not have been more wrong on this.

Conservatives these days...... What they are thinking?

Well since you asked...this was a completely bogus article, with misleading information about many conservatives that can be easily termed as invalid.

I'm just wondering why you felt the need to try to slam all conservatives?

  • 4 votes
Reply#10 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:01 PM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

I will try to answer the question for you...it is because that is the only card they have left to play. What do they have going for them? What are they going to run on...the economy? Nope, it's in the toilet. Healthcare? Nope, that monstrosity of a bill is full of crap and ain't worth using for toilet paper. The deficit? Nope, 3 trillion in debt already in two years under Obama...so the only thing they have left is to attack people.. it is the liberal way!

  • 5 votes
#10.1 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:12 PM EDT
Kimberly-430040

...it is because that is the only card they have left to play.

Yes, and it is starting to look ridiculous!

If this is what they have been reduced to, then they need to know when to fold. =(

  • 5 votes
#10.2 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:16 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

How many times have I heard that?

"Sure we're in the UKA, but some of'er best friends'er black and Hispanic-type."

The RNC claims not to be a racist organization, but they can't argue with the demographics.

And then there's that statement that Trent Lott made at Strom Thurmond's 100th birthday party.

  • 4 votes
#10.3 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:50 PM EDT
RT8

The RNC claims not to be a racist organization, but they can't argue with the demographics.

The demographics of who is part of the organization? Of who votes for the GOP? Just because those numbers may be low (compared to the Democrats) doesn't make them racist. My liberal university (a bit redundant) is mostly white. Is it a racist organization as well?

  • 4 votes
#10.4 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:49 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

I'm sorry. Try again.

  • 3 votes
#10.5 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:37 PM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

why? Spot on, RT8.

  • 4 votes
#10.6 - Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:28 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

I'm sorry, but J C Watts, Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell do not make a multitude.

  • 2 votes
#10.7 - Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:11 AM EDT
RT8

I'm sorry, but J C Watts, Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell do not make a multitude.

So the issue is that there is a lack of minorities in the GOP? Again, how does that make it a racist organization? Is any group that is a majority white racist? According to the USA World Factbook, the USA is 80% white! Are we as a country racist?

  • 4 votes
#10.8 - Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:18 AM EDT
Metal Guitarist

The RNC has the same problem as the UKA, and as long as we live in a nation where a black man can't even get into the front door of his own house without the pigs making a stink about it, the United States is always going to be lacking in the area of racial equality.

  • 2 votes
#10.9 - Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:00 AM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

LOL, that doesn't even make sense!

  • 2 votes
#10.10 - Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:54 PM EDT
Metal Guitarist

Not to a racist, anyway.

  • 2 votes
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