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Story of the Day -- Obama's Personal Approval Rating Hits 72% in Battleground States

Mon May 16, 2011 4:34 PM EDT
election, politics, healthcare, gop, deficit, gingrich, debt, obama, barack-obama, romney, republican, boehner, election-news, election-2012
By Killfile
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From PoliticsUSA

If it isn’t the death of Bin Laden, then what is raising Obama’s approval numbers? The answer can be found in Obama’s personal popularity. Obama remains very personally popular. Overall 72% of battleground state voters personally like Obama. Of this group, 48% approve strongly of Obama the person, another 24% somewhat approve, 10% were unsure, 4% somewhat disapprove, and 15% strongly disapprove.

It's a little early to begin prognosticating the 2012 elections but polls are always a good place to start.  There is a lot of good data in the latest numbers from this Politico/GWU poll which serves to set expectations for the 2012 race but PoliticsUSA boils it down nicely.  The simple truth is that Americans vote out of ignorance.  Poll after poll shows Americans are woefully ignorant on huge swaths of the political landscape.  Indeed, it has become almost a partisan sport to show up with cameras at the other side's rallies and ask "average voters" even the most rudimentary of questions.

Come November of next year a disturbingly large number of Americans are going to cast a vote for the guy with whom they'd like to have a beer.  Indeed, failing some devistating issue fumble on the part of the White House, the "have a beer" vote will decide the election much as it always has.  

This is no great secret among political operatives; indeed, it is one of the major reasons that political campaigns, despite numerous pledges to the contrary, almost always devolve into personal attacks and mudslinging.  The only sure way to win office is to convince the average voter that you are running against a scumbag.  

The alternative is to try to win on issues.  


 

The problem Republicans face there is that Obama leads them on almost all of them.  On the issues of Social Security, Medicare, and Terrorism, the White House can claim a clear majority of the American people while on issues of jobs and the economy Obama still leads Congressional Republicans by a few points.  The only issue the GOP can meaningfully claim is the deficit.  Americans trust Republicans more on that one, 47% - 44%.  

Three percent is not much, but it may well be all the GOP has to go on.  To that end, the GOP has to make the 2012 elections about the deficit or they can kiss the White House and possibly their 2010 pickups goodbye.  

The explanitory power of that single bit of information is enormous.  It explains Newt Gingrich tacking left against Paul Ryan's plan to dismantle Medicare; more than 50% of Americans trust Obama above Congressional Republicans on the issue of healthcare and one does not win the Presidency by standing up to the majority.

It explains why Mitt Romney is trying to be for Obama's healthcare plan (in the form of the Massachusetts plan upon which it was based) while being simultaneously against it and foreshadows the difficulty Republicans are sure to face in trying to reconcile the right leaning stances they will have to take to win the nomination with the center leaning stances they'll have to take to win the Presidency.  

But most of all, it explains why Boehner and the Congressional Republicans are so eager to drag out the fight over raising the nation's debt limit.  Ultimately, the limit will have to be raised or the country will default with unquestionably drastic consequences but for the GOP there is little political advantage to be had in striking a compromise before it is absoutely necessary.  

Every day that the debt ceiling (and thus the deficit) stays in the news is a day that the country's politics are focused where the GOP is strong and Obama is weak.  Expect to see the ceiling raised at the last possible minute and, more importantly, expect to see it raised enough that we can have this national conversation all over again come the summer of 2012.  

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Killfile

Expect, by the way, for the Republicans to try to turn a lot of those issues INTO deficit issues.

We're going to see Romney in particular talking a lot about how things like Social Security, Medicare, and the Obama Healthcare Bill impact the deficit. He'll also make mention of how the Mass. plan didn't impact the state's budget all that much... which is true, but only because the US Government picked up the tab in a roundabout fashion.

  • 10 votes
#1 - Mon May 16, 2011 4:38 PM EDT
beaz-435179

Not doubting you, but please explain how USG picked up the tab?

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Mon May 16, 2011 5:11 PM EDT
Killfile

The bill was passed in large part to keep Mass. from loosing certain federal healthcare subsidies which now comprise a large part of the pool used to subsidize care for those who can't afford it. All total, the federal government contributes about a billion dollars a year to Mass. healthcare.

Romney says that Mass. didn't have to increase deficit spending to make the bill work... but only because that deficit spending is shifted onto the US Government.

Here's a link to an NPR story on that note.

  • 13 votes
#1.2 - Mon May 16, 2011 5:23 PM EDT
James Andre

Nice analysis. I was thinking about this yesterday:

Poll after poll shows Americans are woefully ignorant on huge swaths of the political landscape.

Bottom line: we are never going to have a fully rational result(except by accident of apathy)in any election.

  • 9 votes
#1.3 - Mon May 16, 2011 6:50 PM EDT
McSpocky

Awesome news, and very happy to hear it! Clipped to American_Politics and Obama Supporters.

If there hadn't been so much Republican obstructionism the last two years, President Obama wouldn't have been a good President...he would have been a great President.

  • 8 votes
#1.4 - Mon May 16, 2011 8:38 PM EDT
JW-2561740

Where are the jobs??

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Wed May 18, 2011 10:44 AM EDT
mstanley2265

well, all the ones in my family that were laid off are back to work, all the neighbors are back to work...guessing companies started ramping up production again. How's your neighborhood and family doing?

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Wed May 18, 2011 1:06 PM EDT
Killfile

Where are the jobs??

Good question. When the Democrats controlled Congress they passed a number of bills intended to create jobs and by most measures those bills were successful, if not as much so as hoped.

Since the GOP took the House, however, they haven't put anything of the sort forward. If you want to know where the jobs are, ask Boehner and Cantor.

  • 7 votes
#1.7 - Wed May 18, 2011 1:06 PM EDT
JW-2561740

Last time I checked Barack Obama is/was president, not Boehner/Cantor. It starts at the top.

by most measures those bills were successful,

Not really we still have negative job growth.

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Wed May 18, 2011 1:48 PM EDT
TheJonesGirl

It starts at the top.

Bills are started in the House or Senate.

  • 6 votes
#1.9 - Wed May 18, 2011 2:14 PM EDT
Grae

Not really we still have negative job growth.

Wrong. 16 straight months of positive job growth.

And as been pointed out before, bills originate in the Congress, not in the Office of the President. It's time for the whiny-righties to step into their Pull-Ups and start trying to help promote a better economy, not keep trying to legislate a Christo-Fascist agenda. They have proven to not be serious about jobs, exports, taxes, deficits or any fiscal/economic matter. They only care about abortion and putting women back into the bedroom and kitchen (preferably barefoot and pregnant).

  • 6 votes
#1.10 - Wed May 18, 2011 2:36 PM EDT
JW-2561740

Wrong. 16 straight months of positive job growth.

Sorry but your numbers are a farce and fail to take into account the growth in the working age population.

Economic Policy Institute

This means the labor market is now 11.0 million jobs below the level needed to restore the prerecession unemployment rate (5.0% in December 2007).

Streotype Much???

Actually you do...almost every post. Funny how those who harbor so much hate morph into the very thing they despise.

a Christo-Fascist agenda. They have proven to not be serious about jobs, exports, taxes, deficits or any fiscal/economic matter. They only care about abortion and putting women back into the bedroom and kitchen (preferably barefoot and pregnant).

  • 4 votes
#1.11 - Wed May 18, 2011 3:34 PM EDT
Grae

Employment Situation Summary, May 6, 2011

Nonfarm payroll employment rose by 244,000 in April, and the unemployment rate
edged up to 9.0 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today.
Job gains occurred in several service-providing industries, manufacturing,
and mining.

Job Openings and Labor Turnover Summary, May 11, 2011

Over the 12 months ending in March, hires (not seasonally adjusted)
totaled nearly 47.6 million and separations (not seasonally adjusted)
totaled 46.4 million, yielding a net employment gain of 1.2 million.

Is that enough? Not by a long shot. But, the fact is that we are in positive job growth territory, not "negative job growth" as you falsely claimed. You tried to cover your intellectual dishonesty by changing the measurement to fit what you wanted people to believe.

Streotype Much?

Nope. I am telling the truth, and you know it. The only so-called jobs legislation that has been put forth by the Republicons is nothing more than a job killing bill according to the EPI. Every other piece of crap put forth by the Republicons has been to change the definition of rape, destroy the right of women to choice, eliminate the options for women and children to receive health care, and generally try to regress America to some idealized version from the 1850s. Don't believe me? Look for yourself.

  • 7 votes
#1.12 - Wed May 18, 2011 3:58 PM EDT
JW-2561740

http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/jobs_data_send_mixed_messages

Conclusion

In April, the labor market added 244,000 payroll jobs, the third month of job growth exceeding 220,000. However, the labor market remains 7.0 million payroll jobs below where it was at the official start of the recession three years and four months ago. Furthermore, this number hugely understates the size of the gap in the labor market by failing to take into account the fact that simply keeping up with the growth in the working-age population would have required the addition of another 4 million jobs over this period. This means the labor market is now 11.0 million jobs below the level needed to restore the prerecession unemployment rate (5.0% in December 2007). The U.S. workforce needs the current pace of job growth to accelerate further in order to reestablish full employment within any reasonable timeframe.

Hardly a mouthpiece for the right.

Unlike yourself I will not blindly follow the talking points of my party. I want to see jobs and a functioning economy and I do not care who gets credit for it!!

  • 4 votes
#1.13 - Wed May 18, 2011 4:34 PM EDT
Killfile

From your own link:

In April, the labor market added 244,000 payroll jobs, the third month of job growth exceeding 220,000.

Look, I don't think anyone is saying that job growth, while positive, is necessarily good enough, but you don't get to redefine "job growth" to mean "growth beyond the unemployment rate as of December 2007."

Job growth means just that -- the increase in the number of jobs. So long as we're adding jobs, it's positive.

  • 9 votes
#1.14 - Wed May 18, 2011 4:40 PM EDT
Scooter-3472268

New claims for unemployment benefits rise; GDP unchanged

That's this morning, btw

I'm not cheerleading a crappy economy, just saying that things do not seem to be getting any better.

  • 4 votes
#1.15 - Thu May 26, 2011 12:11 PM EDT
James Andre

just saying that things do not seem to be getting any better.

Maybe you didn't read past the headline?

So far, the economy has been generating jobs at a healthy pace this year. Businesses have added a net total of more than 250,000 jobs per month, on average, in the past three months, the fastest hiring spree in five years. The unemployment rate has dropped nearly a full percentage point in the past five months, though it remains a very high 9%.
The total number of people receiving benefits is also falling. The unemployment benefit rolls declined 46,000 to 3.7 million in the week ending May 14. That figure lags the applications data by one week.

  • 6 votes
#1.16 - Thu May 26, 2011 12:34 PM EDT
Kshark

So Killfile just curious did you write this piece yourself, or copy it from some other article/site and never sourced it? You simply said politicsUSA no link, nothing.

Having now found the article, since you did not link it, Yeah it was from May 16, 2011 10 days ago. And by the way polls in the long run mean diddly as there is definitely a time to go before elections.

  • 3 votes
#1.17 - Thu May 26, 2011 1:20 PM EDT
Kshark

I mean the funny thing is in the rest of the article, which is a very very sad telling of the American population, the US Presidency is ONLY a popularity contest now.

Despite the bad economy, these battleground state voters really like Barack Obama. Most Americans are not well informed on the issues. The informed American electorate is a myth. In 2010, 67% of voters got their information from television. The Internet has almost caught newspapers (27%-24%) to be the second most popular destination for information. 31% of Internet users viewed campaign videos online. This is an electorate that watches more than it reads, and Barack Obama plays very well on TV and video.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/obama-battleground-approval

This is actually showing the massive ignorance of the American people. Be completely oblivious about the issues, who cares if we are on the verge of financial collapse, Obama is such a swell guy let's re-elect him because he is such a swell guy. Who cares about the issues because Obama is such a swell guy and he is so great on TV by really saying hardly nothing at all.

Maybe the people in this country are that scared of reality that Obama, being so great awesome God to them, is the escapist for the people.

When many Americans go to vote on Election Day, they aren't thinking about issues or policy. Some people are voting for the candidate that they like best. The question do I want to spend the next four years of my life looking at this guy on television is a legitimate one in the minds of many voters.

If this is how the people in this country think, meaning who cares about the issues and only vote on WOO popularity RockStar Obama, then this country deserves to collapse.

Issues and policies are vastly more important to me than some Rockstar President.

I weep for this country.

  • 4 votes
#1.18 - Thu May 26, 2011 1:33 PM EDT
Global777

Expect, by the way, for the democrats to try to turn a lot of attention AWAY from our deficit issues.

  • 3 votes
#1.19 - Thu May 26, 2011 1:59 PM EDT
Killfile

So Killfile just curious did you write this piece yourself, or copy it from some other article/site and never sourced it? You simply said politicsUSA no link, nothing.

The quoted section immediately following the attribution to PoliticsUSA is copied. (That's why it's in quotes) Otherwise, it's original writing.

  • 5 votes
#1.20 - Thu May 26, 2011 2:17 PM EDT
JW-2561740

Job growth means just that -- the increase in the number of jobs. So long as we're adding jobs, it's positive

LA Time Quotes 6-3-11

the unemployment rate edged up to 9.1%, the Labor Department said Friday.

Employers in May added just 54,000 to their payrolls, less than half of what's needed just to keep pace with the expanding working-age population

Where are the jobs?

  • 2 votes
#1.21 - Fri Jun 3, 2011 3:43 PM EDT
madvargr

Does this mean I get to dance on the graves of all the reactionaries who will die of apoplexy when Obama is re-elected?

LOL

  • 9 votes
#2 - Mon May 16, 2011 4:54 PM EDT
Killfile

Don't count chickens before they hatch, but anyone on the right who doesn't admit they're in for an uphill battle is lying to themselves.

  • 10 votes
#2.1 - Mon May 16, 2011 5:24 PM EDT
Scooter-3472268

We all know Obama's star quality will be tough to overcome and let's face it-there's no Republican candidate that stands out. It's '96 all over again so far, except that Bill Clinton was a competent leader. If Obama doesn't get the economy moving, it will hurt his chances.

  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Thu May 26, 2011 12:13 PM EDT
Vlad's dog

Yep, all you have to do is read inot their mesage to see where they are going. Good analysis Killflie, spot on.

  • 9 votes
#3 - Mon May 16, 2011 7:10 PM EDT
McSpocky

The right is all too predictable these days, aren't they...

  • 7 votes
#3.1 - Mon May 16, 2011 8:39 PM EDT
Rixar13

The simple truth is that Americans vote out of ignorance. Poll after poll shows Americans are woefully ignorant on huge swaths of the political landscape.

Spot on Killfile.

  • 3 votes
#3.2 - Fri May 27, 2011 9:56 AM EDT
Global777

The simple truth is that Americans vote out of ignorance.

Agreed. Additionally:

Given the obsessive focus on a person's race, by those on the left, it seems clear that BO was elected not for his qualifications, or lack thereof, but due to his "heritage."

For BO, ignorance on the part of his supporters, is bliss...

  • 2 votes
#4 - Fri May 27, 2011 5:52 PM EDT
James Andre

Ah ha ha ha!

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Fri May 27, 2011 6:13 PM EDT
Grae

Global, could you be Joe Walsh? He has the same racist theory that you do. You know, that no black person could ever get ahead based on their abilities, but only due to affirmative action and "white guilt."

Good Gawd you people are so f'ing obvious.

  • 3 votes
#4.2 - Fri May 27, 2011 7:30 PM EDT
Global777

grae...

He has the same racist theory that you do.

I have no "racist theory." I have observed countless times, where the left plays the race card first and more frequently, on Comments. No theory, just an observation.

How many times have we all followed a race-free discussion, regarding BO? Eventually, the left runs out of defenses or talking points and BINGO, the race care comes out...

"You just hate him because he's black!"

"You just can't stand that a black man is in the White House!"

etc, etc, etc...

And his race was NEVER mentioned up until the left played that damn race card.

It leaves one to conclude, since his race is so frequently and predictably mentioned by his supporters, that his race must have had a significant influence on their voting decision...

The simple truth is that Americans vote out of ignorance.

  • 1 vote
#4.3 - Fri May 27, 2011 9:13 PM EDT
James Andre

There's no doubt that race played a factor in the election of President Obama. However, the idea that "the left" is "more focused" on the issue of 'race' than others, and that 'race' trumped other factors, is just laughable.

Then I remember who Obama was running against, and I laugh harder.

I will say this about the 2012 GOP field: it couldn't be any worse.

  • 3 votes
#4.4 - Fri May 27, 2011 9:34 PM EDT
Global777

james...

However, the idea that "the left" is "more focused" on the issue of 'race' than others, and that 'race' trumped other factors, is just laughable.

To deny it, is even more ludicrous.

...

I will say this about the 2012 GOP field: it couldn't be any worse.

You've overlooked a much worse situation: The democratic field.

BO: One and Done...

  • 1 vote
#4.5 - Sat May 28, 2011 1:53 AM EDT
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