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Are you for gay rights yes or no (Part 4)

News Type: Event — Mon Nov 1, 2010 10:03 AM EDT
us-news, gay, murder, lesbian, hate, homosexual, crimes
By littlemuscle

Live Poll

Do you feel that beating someone for being gay is justified by God?

  • Yes
    3%
  • No
    71%
  • No, do not believe in God
    27%

Total Votes: 113

Live Poll

If your child was being bullied at school would you want to take measures to stop it?

  • Yes
    92%
  • No
    2%
  • Yes, but not if it is because they are gay.
    6%

Total Votes: 109

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We hear it in the news, we see photos of the result of it and tombstones are left in the wake of it. No matter who you are you have a right to be just that...YOU! Being laughed at, called names, living in fear...living in terror...want to win the fight against terrorism, then stop ignoring bullying, because rather it is a race of people, a country, a community or one child living in terror it has to stop. If these threats were made against a country it would be Terrorism, but when it is one person we call it Bullying. No matter what you call it, it has to stop.

The two top reasons for bullying in schools today are for lack of athletic ability and for homosexuality or the belief that one is homosexual. I started gathering stories of bullying. The stories below we told by someone actually knowing the victim or was the victim themselves.....

A young man with harmless crushes that never grew into more. He was no threat to anyone, a kind soul for sure. Attacked by two men in the shadows of an alley. Never showing violence towards anyone, only being a victim of it. Never haven even shown any type of attraction to his attackers, yet, to them he should feel pain. He should feel hurt. As they beat him up, two against one, a cowards game they played. This attack would not be looked upon blindly. A hero came to his rescue letting the men know that he had allies too. Unfortunately, though love and bravery lives in the open, hate and cowards hide in the dark. Bullets flew later outside of his home and he fell to his death. The ground stained with the blood of someone who did no harm to anyone as those who pulled the trigger where never caught and to this day, nineteen years later, they walk among us free and never brought to justice for the crime they did. He will not be forgotten, for this day we share his story. Today we share the tragedy of his death and that we could not have him here with us today. What would he say about the iphone? Would he have been an inventor of one of the must have applications we all download everyday? Would he have been a patron of one the airports that one of the airplanes of 9/11 took off? Would he have spotted the box cutters? Could he have changed history? Instead of letting him live his life was take away because of how he loved.

---

She is a beautiful girl. She tells her family she is gay and they cannot accept it. They talk to a male friend of theirs and ask her if he will date her daughter and "turn her straight." She is angry, he tries and tries but fails. One evening she is walking out of a gay club. He follows her, beats her in the parking until she receives massive head injuries. She was taken to the ICU. Her parents met her there, told her that she was not to press charges, because they had hopes that he would still take her. Posts went out on facebook wishing her well, people posted right under the announcement as to what happened to her. "Well, it is a sin to be gay according to the Bible." People ignored the violence against her, ignored the clear sin of hate and further attacked her. They justified the attackers actions of violence and harm with the Bible.

----

Two lesbians sitting at a private party with friends. One of the men came over to one of them and said, "I want to eat your p...." something that should not be said to anyone at anytime. The girlfriend to the girl this was said to stands up and asks him to apologize. He says, "No." four of his friends stand up and attack the girlfriend taking that told him to apologize. As he was beating on her, they screamed at them both "You freaks." Five men beat on an innocent woman. Her girlfriend was able to hold one back after a struggle, but could not fight them all off. They broke her nose, busted her ribs, spit on her. They turned to the other girl and said that she just needed to get "F^&*ed by the right man. Before they could carry through on that, help arrived. The wives to these men showed up and put an end to it.

---

These are three stories that I have I didn't read on the news. These are stories that were not reported but are clear signs of violence against the LGBT community purely for being who they are. Families condoning it, Bible used to justify it, straight men turning behaving like sexual predators, not homosexuals, straight me. Every one of these stories I have spoke to someone directly involved in it. I didn't have to search hard either. Imagine how many people in your world, in your life that may have fallen victim to bullying. If your child is gay and has not told you, goes to school and the other kids know (because kids are perceptive), they are bullying him/her, beating them, spiting on them, and you are a parent standing up against the State of California for trying to take measures against bullying....the hole time this being a protection for your own kid and you don't even know it....how would you feel?

If you are so anti-gay do you think your child will feel comfortable coming to you and telling you they are gay? No. Do you want them to be going through this persecution silently, and even persecution by you as a parent and not even know it? You can say you are anti-gay, but I will tell you right now many of you that are...have a child that is gay and is scared to tell you because of your views. As you are screaming hate and persecution for other's you are also doing so for your own child and don't even know it.

Now I am not saying that every child is living in silence, don't be ridiculous, but I promise you there are a large number that are. In my community of LGBT friends I can tell you roughly 90% of them did not come out until after they were out of their parents home. Some of them, their parents still don't know. I dated a girl once, she ended up in the hospital, when she was in there all she wanted was me, while under the influence of the medicine and not with clear thought she kept asking for me. This was how her family learned she was gay. They asked her when she was awake who I was, she was forced to tell them. Imagine, your child in a hospital bed in pain, she was on life support for a short time, and at that moment learning your child is gay. Learning that your child has had someone in their life that they care about and you didn't even know it. Lets take it a step farther. Imagine your child being murdered because they are gay. You are a parent fighting against anti-bullying, you learn at your child's funeral that some of the kids at their school murdered them because they were gay, and you didn't even know it.

Think this could not possible be you? Think your child could not possibly be gay? My parents thought the same thing. They were wrong. 90% of my LGBT friend's parents, thought the same thing, they were wrong. So, would you be for the bullying if the target was your own child? Would you fight against measures to stop it if you knew that? Is that a risk you are willing to take? Of all the parents fighting against it, I assure you there is at least one that has a homosexual child and doesn't even know it, probably more. Do you want to be that parent?

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littlemuscle

Thank you all for your input in this article and in this entire series.

  • 8 votes
#1 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 10:04 AM EDT
belove48

I haven't read the article yet but I can't believe that someone actually thinks it's OK to beat someone because they think it justified by god. How sad.

  • 12 votes
#1.1 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 11:15 AM EDT
beej mcl

i'm for equal rights and protection for all people which happens to include gays as well as you and i.

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 11:18 AM EDT
littlemuscle

beej mcl and belove,

Thank you for your feedback. Belove, it is sad, there is one example in the article that the justification for beating someone was done by one's own parents (not the beating, the justification).

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 12:57 PM EDT
Jack Huang

Wow, all I can really say after reading those stories is "Holy s---."

This article has now been clipped to a number of groups.

  • 7 votes
#1.4 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 1:34 PM EDT
littlemuscle

Jack, thank you to your attention to the article and spreading it to other groups. I have tried to investigate and talk to the families of these stories and more on a regular basis. You won't see them in the news, and some of them were told to me by posters right here, privately, and I am going to respect their identity, but these stories are indeed close to home. No matter where you live, I assure you, if you actively search for them, don't rely on the media to tell you about it, you will find them.

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 2:43 PM EDT
Neale Osborn

I am a staunch supporter of equal rights to all, regardless of race, creed, sex, sexual orientation, or marital state (and I include bigamy, polyandry and polygyny among others). The ONLY right NO ONE has is the right to initiate force against anyone.

Jack- we do not always agree, but here, I agree totally. "Holy S---!" For sure.

Here's how I learned to be a decent human.

http://nealebooks.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/10/4851944-i-used-to-hate-gays-then-i-grew-up-stories-of-frank-and-george

  • 6 votes
#1.6 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 10:32 PM EDT
Jack Huang

Jack- we do not always agree, but here, I agree totally.

Hehe, it's bound to happen every once in a while.

Your article totally didn't appear on my radar. Thanks for linking to it. Great story.

Haven't seen you in a while. How've you been?

  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 11:52 PM EDT
DEATHNELL J.

No I don't believe God put people on earth to be beaten, toured and killed AND, my kids have been bullied in school and you bet I did something about it!

  • 7 votes
#1.8 - Tue Nov 2, 2010 3:11 AM EDT
Neale Osborn

Jack- I've been busy here and there, trying to finish recovering from the stroke, and looking for the job opportunity I can acyually do with only 3/4 of a body. Also, my daughter is in the process of having her tracheostomy reversed (from the premature birth). Overall, though, I've been great, espacially considering the alternatives (LOL). And you?

  • 5 votes
#1.9 - Tue Nov 2, 2010 10:23 AM EDT
Jack Huang

trying to finish recovering from the stroke, and looking for the job opportunity I can acyually do with only 3/4 of a body.

Ouch. Sorry to hear about that. Is there any chance of a full recovery?

And you?

I've been pretty darn busy lately. Nothing particularly of note, though.

  • 3 votes
#1.10 - Tue Nov 2, 2010 11:14 AM EDT
Neale Osborn

Ouch. Sorry to hear about that. Is there any chance of a full recovery?

THEY say no, I say yes. We'll see. I started out barely walking, and doing all this one fingered and left handed (I'm a righty). now, I do it 3 fingers on the left, and one on the right. I no longer write lefty, and it is becoming more legible week by week. I look towards the day I can actually shoot well enough (again) to get my Concealed Carry Permit (something I despise the existence of, but want for obvious reasons). But until I am well enough to safely carry by MY exacting standards, I won't do it. But I admit that 3 years is trying my patience a wee bit. I want what I want, and I want it NOW, Damnit!!!!

When it gets me down, I either get into pissing matches with people like Iuarnocon, or else I just remember that it is STILL better than looking at daisies from the wrong side. But it sure makes you feel old to have had a stroke at 43. IF the doctor ever bitches at you to either lose a vfew pounds or treat your High blood pressure, take my word for it- LISTEN TO HIM/HER. They ain't joking on the risks. Sadly, a doctor failed to tell me that 187/124 was deadly high, and 13 days later, I nearly died. Now, I look at each day in a whole new way. If you are a Heinlein fan, you will recognize this quote "Dum Vivimus, Vivimai" (it may be misspelled, but it means live life well.) Or in my words, "Life's too short to refuse to dance with ANY chick, even the fat ones."

Oh, and as you may have noticed, I also have oral diarrhea (I never shut up, even in print). Ennyhoo, enjoy the day.

  • 7 votes
#1.11 - Tue Nov 2, 2010 2:55 PM EDT
Machinist1968

THEY say no, I say yes. We'll see.

Have you looked into this web-page http://www.regenocyte.com/

Good luck never give up and keep trying. It is the only thing I know how to do. Keep fighting it, it is only over when you can't fight it.

  • 5 votes
#1.12 - Tue Nov 2, 2010 3:45 PM EDT
Just an Observation-826313

Good luck Neale! Keep fighting!

  • 3 votes
#1.13 - Tue Nov 2, 2010 4:08 PM EDT
Neale Osborn

Thanks for the support, friends.

  • 2 votes
#1.14 - Tue Nov 2, 2010 7:27 PM EDT
Jack Huang

THEY say no, I say yes. We'll see. I started out barely walking, and doing all this one fingered and left handed (I'm a righty). now, I do it 3 fingers on the left, and one on the right. I no longer write lefty, and it is becoming more legible week by week. I look towards the day I can actually shoot well enough (again) to get my Concealed Carry Permit (something I despise the existence of, but want for obvious reasons).

I wish you well in that. Keep fightin' the good fight.

Or in my words, "Life's too short to refuse to dance with ANY chick, even the fat ones."

Hahahaha, interesting mantra. A bit much for me, but I admire the, ummm, thrust of it.

  • 3 votes
#1.15 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 6:41 PM EDT
Neale Osborn

I'm happily married, and I only dance with two chicks (my 5 year old daughter being the other, and neither are fat), but my point is that I won't EVER look at life superficially again. I have lost 50 pounds, made some new friends, and learned all over again to find the good part in each day, and not sweat the crappy stuff (as much).

  • 3 votes
#1.16 - Fri Nov 5, 2010 10:33 AM EDT
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bonos_rama

Of course gays deserve rights. Anyone saying otherwise is not worthy of being called an American.

  • 17 votes
#2 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 10:38 AM EDT
Rich-2229277

I have served this great country in the military and in life. I believe Gays have the rights that I and others have fought for but they do not have they right to force others to except there way of life. I support an individual by he or she contributes to our society and the American way of life. It does not matter where they are from or what they believe in as long as they treat me as an equal and not an outsider.

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Tue Nov 2, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
Beckyal

A gay individual is an individual and deserves the same rights as any other individual with one exception that is the military and that is not because I don't believe that they will not protect my back or serve as honorable but just because they would need to billet and shower with others who might not want someone with a sexual preference living toward them that close and you cannot afford to put them separate billets when in war, conflict or during emergencies.

  • 3 votes
#3 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 10:50 AM EDT
littlemuscle

A false assumption about homosexuals is that they go into locker rooms oohhhing and ahhing over the people in there. The truth is, you are more likely to have a straight man/woman look at you than a homosexual. When homosexuals go into a locker room the last thing they want is to be caught looking at someone like that in a room full of dominantly straight people. In addition, homosexuals are not gay due to the physical but rather the emotional level of attraction. Go up to a homosexual in the locker room and talk about some inspiring subjects, they are more likely to hit on you than if you shake your penis at them or your boobs.

  • 13 votes
#3.1 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 10:56 AM EDT
Yosho

So, Becky, are you claiming that there were no gays in the military who hid their orientation during the first 200 years of our history?

  • 9 votes
#3.2 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 1:21 PM EDT
Super Ultra

I hate to break it to some of you, but gays have been everywhere and in all aspects of life since time pretty much began. Sadly, most of them have had to hide it their entire lives. I think of course they should have rights! I can't help liking men, and I'd really hate it if someone took my rights away for being hetero. People are attracted to who they're attracted to and it's natural for them. Big whoop. There are sooo many other things to obsess about rather than sexual orientation. Books for instance, or art, or music...the list goes on.

  • 7 votes
#3.3 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 7:06 PM EDT
Motherlessgoat

So, a gay citizen is NOT equal in your eyes, Becky.

  • 6 votes
#4 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 11:01 AM EDT
Babylon of Gerbil

I support equal rights for all citizens regardless of sexual preference. This is not a gay rights issue its a human rights issue. By taking this approach i believe the majority of Americans will surely agree.

  • 9 votes
#5 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 11:09 AM EDT
King Dave

I was bullied for being poor and Polish. I had enough and stood up for myself at 13 and now I am a bullies bully, still to this day. Bullies are the ultimate cowards, there is never any violence with me, the bullies always want to call the police on me after they start trouble. I love it, I feel great, no fear, and I know they think twice about bulling someone again. The point is, sometimes we must make a stand, for our convictions, and people like me who enjoy the fight for equality without exceptions. Thanks for your passion on this subject, and you didn't mention God once today. So, Amen!

  • 10 votes
#6 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 11:31 AM EDT
MelBel

I think that everyone should have the same rights regardless of the way they life...I think it is absolutley disgusting that any human thinks that they have any right to treat anyone with such disrespect and brutality. It is just so cold........

  • 6 votes
#7 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 12:23 PM EDT
dwillie

A gay citizen is a citizen, with no greater or lesser rights than any other citizen. There were no prohibitions on the sexuality of citizens in the Constitution and the de facto discrimination experienced by the LGBT community is fundamentally unacceptable.

The malevolent attitudes and the ignorance, violence, bigotry and hatred directed at gay people won't subside until heterosexuals demand that it stop.

  • 10 votes
#8 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 1:01 PM EDT
littlemuscle

The results of the poll thus far are so alarming. 10% of voters have said they would want measure to be taken to stop bullying their own child in school, but NOT if they were being bullied for being gay. No one on here that voted that made a comment on here to identify themselves as to having that stand or as to why they hold that position. I am curious...why would one support their own child to be bullied if they were gay?

  • 5 votes
#9 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 2:37 PM EDT
Fufu

It's hard to say. It's not something that I can understand, littlemuscle. My (future) child would have my unconditional love and that is incompatible with being okay if they are bullied.

On the other hand, we've had several members of Newsvine say that they would disown their children if they were gay (or involved with a person of another race, for that matter). So much hatred in the world...

  • 4 votes
#9.1 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 3:15 PM EDT
littlemuscle

Fufu, do you remember the article I posted about a month ago where a person on Newsvine actually said they would tell their own child to kill them self if they were gay. I was shocked. Literally shocked.

  • 5 votes
#9.2 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 3:28 PM EDT
cajunsnake

littlemuscle

First, thanks for the FR. :-). And Thank You.

You caught it right...cowards. In the one case, they'd never face someone they couldn't intimidate, not their style, and Lord knows they hate surprises. But people need to understand that gays/lesbians are only different, as far as, who they love.

But sitting here, thinking about this, I've have started to...maybe...get a grip, as far as parents go. I don't think it's the fact that their child is gay, as much as it is what the friends of the parents would say about them. I think the idea that, to have their friends talking behind their backs, whispering as they go by, is far worse than accepting the fact that their child is "different". I don't know, just my opinion.

  • 1 vote
#9.3 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
Fufu

It literally takes effort to hate. I just don't understand it... to be so callous and so willing to hurt yourself because you hate something about someone you love. Even from a cold selfish point of view, it doesn't make sense.

  • 3 votes
#9.4 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 3:34 PM EDT
cajunsnake

Fufu

It literally takes effort to hate.

I totally agree, I lived with it for a whole lot of years, and it took a whole lot out of me. It affected my family, my friends, and once I sat down and thought about it, I found that it made me into somebody...I didn't know, and didn't like. But for the life of me, I cannot understand how a parent could turn their backs on one of their own.

I mean, I love our kids, and by NO stretch of the imagination, can I say they haven't given us headaches, and heartaches. But through it all, all we are is a phone call away. And the same with our grand kids, so it's hard for me to fathom how some parents can do it.

  • 2 votes
#9.5 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 3:42 PM EDT
Fufu

On the other hand, perhaps I'm being hypocritical.

I have almost no relationship with my father currently. About two and a half years ago, he retired. He spent the next year and a half running around the country hiking with friends, which is fine. But the problem is, the economy tanked and some of my parents' savings were devalued. So, he told my mom that she had to work for a few extra years and he wasn't going back to work. Additionally, he kinda checked out on the family. He showed up for things when he wanted to and didn't when he didn't want to (for example, when my wife and I moved, he refused to delay a hiking trip for a week to help us).

Well, it turns out, he had a girlfriend that he was hiking with. And so, divorce ensued. I haven't really spoken to him much since, as he has been just plain mean to my mother and it seems like he only wants to speak with my sister and I now to gain our support for his actions. So, who knows. I probably am a hypocrite. But even now, I certainly don't wish any harm to my father. I just don't want to speak with him until he grows up a bit.

  • 4 votes
#9.6 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 4:02 PM EDT
cajunsnake

I've got this with my dad. He's hardcore "old school", and has (as long as I can remember) believed his word was law...no discussion, just do it. Which was fine as long as I lived at home, but I left at 18 and never looked back. Over the years (and I'm 61 now) he hasn't changed, IMO, just got meaner with age. But what tore it when he went after one of my kid's. I told him I respected him as my father, but when it came to my kids.... We haven't spoken in a lot of years now, and probably never will.

I've tried to understand his views, just can't though. I found out that he's been doing it to my brothers (51 and 49 now) and they let him get away with it. But I figure that's them. Will we ever make peace? He's full Cajun and I'm half...probably not in this life time.

  • 2 votes
#9.7 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 5:10 PM EDT
Joanna Caroll

but NOT if they were being bullied for being gay.

I noticed that too but I think, I'm hoping, the question was not read correctly thus the inexplicable poll result. However, McCance (now resigned from the Arkansas school board), did claim he would disown his children if they were gay, so maybe it's possible some parents can turn love on and off. Bullying was never okay; lately, it's deadly. For the kids today, they have to be reminded daily that it gets better.

  • 2 votes
#9.8 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 5:11 PM EDT
Super Ultra

My kids have grown up knowing that if they were gay it would be totally cool with their dad and me. I've grown up with lots of gay friends and family members who are very awesome people and very dear to me. Both my kids just happen to be straight, and that's cool too. As long as they're discerning and safe in any sexual relationships then it's all good in my hood, and if anyone bullied them because of it and I found out, there would be HELL to pay.

  • 5 votes
#9.9 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 7:09 PM EDT
Yosho

"Bullying was never okay; lately, it's deadly."

No, it's always had deadly consequences on occasion, and not just among gay victims. It's just getting more attention in the press recently.

#9.10 - Tue Nov 2, 2010 7:58 PM EDT
Joanna Caroll

I have to disagree with you Yosho. Laws addressing hate crimes are made not because hate crimes get more attention in the press but because there are more hate crimes.

  • 3 votes
#9.11 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 11:54 AM EDT
Jack Huang

Laws addressing hate crimes are made not because hate crimes get more attention in the press but because there are more hate crimes.

That's an interesting thesis. Noting how legal change is often driven by popular action, I'd be curious as to whether you have any support for that claim.

  • 2 votes
#9.12 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 6:42 PM EDT
Yosho

I wasn't attempting to dismiss the tragedies that have happened recently, I was just saying that this ( bullying so bad that some victims commit suicide )isn't actually new, though it may be somewhat more frequent, and the biggest difference is people are paying more attention to it now and more than before want to do something about it.

Even doing "something" about bullying and its effect on victims isn't new. My ex-wife was hired by a local school district for a then-new anti-bullying program that was started in the wake of Columbine. There were similar programs elsewhere. While "something" was being done then, the big concern was the victims of bullying who could in turn retaliate violently, and efforts seemed to be limited to that concern while treating any suicides as unrelated. I see the new focus as being on the rest of the victims of bullying who were often overlooked because they weren't threatening others.

  • 2 votes
#9.13 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 6:45 PM EDT
Fufu

Laws addressing hate crimes are made not because hate crimes get more attention in the press but because there are more hate crimes.

Well, I'd argue that laws addressing hate crimes are made in order to address societal discrimination against groups that have regularly been targeted for greater violence and such. We cannot move forward as a society until we accept minority groups as equal, but people rarely change ingrained bigotry without an outside influence... hence the laws.

  • 5 votes
#9.14 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 8:15 PM EDT
ms-984397

As appalling and horrible as the stories above were the one thing that was shocking was that the fact that those five men ( if you want to call them that ) managed to find women who were dumb enough to marry them. Vile.

  • 4 votes
#10 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 2:40 PM EDT
A Sergeant's Mom

The United States Civil Rights Act is sufficient but must be enforced to protect all citizens - not only older, Caucasian males.

Women, by far - are the most discriminated group there ever has been in the US for 234 years. Not to detract from gay rights or the rights of any minority - but sometimes I do wonder if prior to elections these issues are forced to the front so as to distract from women's rights.

Women do not share equal wages with men.

So, quite frankly we all have to ask - when are women going to be treated fairly?

When that question is answered and addressed sufficiently and permanently, then we can start helping more men.

#11 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 5:11 PM EDT
Gabriel-2116080

I voted "no" on both counts. Mainly the one about would you take measures to stop your child from being bullied. I would make my son defend his self. In life no one is going to stand up for you. If you get an early start at being a coward....how are you going to live your life? I didn't teach my son the " If someone hits you, hit them back" strategy. I am teaching him "If someone gets in your face, knock the sh!t out of them!" And I will back him up if he gets in trouble with authorities. Too many people are raising pathetic cowards. I want my son to be tough without having to show that he is tough. I don't like the gay agenda in society, and god forbid my child becomes a sexual deviant as such. But I would hope that if he saw someone bully-ing another kid because he's gay(or any reason) he would stand up and do what is right for "rights sake"

  • 1 vote
#12 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 7:23 PM EDT
Mike-1298933

You are right - what happens when they leave HS? Who protects them from the bullies they will face for the rest of their lives?

If kids are racist at 17 chances are they been hearing it at home. The racist dinosaurs will have to become extinct and kids get some education before we can break this cycle for good.

All humans have equal rights. No one group anymore than another. Pointers and Setters thats all.

  • 4 votes
#12.1 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 9:07 PM EDT
cajunsnake

Gabriel

With three sons (all grown men now), your idea is good in theory, but from what I've seen in today's schools, even if they have to defend themselves their wrong. But there are those who just don't like to fight, and not because they are cowards, they just don't see the point in it. One of my brother's is like that. He uses words to get out of a lot of confrontations, and also insures he doesn't put himself in situations where he would have to fight.

As for our sons, they have seen my hands, that are a result of a lot of years of "knocking the sh**" out of somebody. That's the down side my father never explained to me. What I've seen though, is that the kids of tough, in some cases, will revert to using guns. Don't care how tough someone is, you can't fight a bullet.

As far as how the kids turn out, all you can do is your best, and keep your fingers crossed. But, I disagree, that no one will stand up for you. Over my life, I've done it plenty of times, and in most of the cases, never knew the person, or ever saw them again. We raised our boys the same way.

  • 3 votes
#13 - Mon Nov 1, 2010 8:09 PM EDT
Davy-755715

(sigh...)

Here again: bullying, hatred, violence and the like have no justification; but it doesn't mean that homosexuality has to be accepted/advocated as normal behavior.

#14 - Tue Nov 2, 2010 1:32 PM EDT
littlemuscle

Why not? Unless you "hate" the act. Plus by not giving homosexuals equal rights you are saying they are not human therefore setting them up for targets for bullying and violence.

  • 8 votes
#14.1 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 1:09 PM EDT
A02Mit

So you don't accept or advocate homosexual behaviour as normal - how would you classify it?

  • 2 votes
#14.2 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 2:10 PM EDT
Jack Huang

but it doesn't mean that homosexuality has to be accepted/advocated as normal behavior.

I rather doubt any of the people bullied were trying to declare themselves the definition of normalcy.

  • 4 votes
#14.3 - Wed Nov 3, 2010 6:43 PM EDT
littlemuscle

Exactly, homosexuals are not trying to become the dominate sexuality or to recruit anyone. They are just trying to live their lives. If anyone is trying to force their views on anyone it is religious groups.

  • 5 votes
#14.4 - Mon Nov 8, 2010 8:09 AM EST
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