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Reverse Racism: the Ultimate Excuse?

News Type: Opinion — Tue Jun 1, 2010 1:38 PM EDT
politics, racism, rush-limbaugh, glenn-beck, limbaugh, beck, rush, reverse, glenn, reverse-racism
By Matt Rock

Rush Limbaugh at CPAC in 2009. From Wikimedia Commons

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It's a quite common facet of contemporary politics: make an outrageously racist claim, and as soon as people chastise you for it, turn it around and claim reverse racism as the culprit of the detractions against your comment. And I'm honestly not sure which is worse: the fact that people do this, or the fact that their supporters encourage it, inspiring them to follow suit. How are we expected to overcome racism when there are those who work so diligently to keep it alive?

There are those amongst us who will have you believe that racism is dead. That racism was wiped out by the 1980's, and all that's left is the residual "reverse racism," the bi-product of minorities guilt-tripping Caucasians in an effort to keep them on edge. This methodology is being deployed with a "paint their ideology into a corner" mentality; say something racist, but when someone chastises you for your hateful remarks, simply claim it all as a case of reverse-racism to escape penalty. Suddenly, you're the victim of a hate crime, and the people angry at you for committing an act of racism are the real bullies in the equation. It looks good to these people on paper, and for those with a platform for their remarks, it has the effect of firing up their fan-base and inspiring them to use the same rules of thought. Suddenly, the only form of racism that exists in the United States is, according to them, of the reverse variety.

What makes this tale a truly tragic one is that these people have encapsulated themselves in a bubble of hate. The rest of the world thinks they're racists, but they think that the rest of the world is the real racist in the equation. Take Rush Limbaugh for instance. Rush Limbaugh is a blatantly ignorant racist of the most vocal variety in modern media. If photographs emerged of Limbaugh setting fire to crosses, most of the American public wouldn't be surprised. But his fans? They'd defend Limbaugh through thick and thin, with claims that the pictures are fraudulent, or that the President is somehow to blame. The number one thing you'd hear from his base? It's reverse racism. "What happened to freedom of speech?" they'd say. "Why can't a guy burn crosses without everyone assuming he's a racist?" Limbaugh has made some of the most racist comments recorded in the popular media since the Civil Rights movement. But his fans seem to either not realize the problem at hand, or simply not care. I have a hard time believing that most of his fans are oblivious to Limbaugh's racism, though. I think many of his fans recognize that his remarks are racist, but choose to not get upset about it. I realize that this is a pretty broad generalisation, but how anyone is expected to believe that millions of people are completely unaware of racism when it's right in front of their eyes is well beyond me.

The media aside, what really concerns me about the "reverse racism card" is the political ramifications of this highly-specialised brand of stupidity. This mode of thought allows people to get away with some pretty outrageous stuff in the political arena. Claiming that anyone and everyone who is opposed to Arizona's draconian immigration law is fully supporting illegal immigration is a pretty decent example. One could very easily point toward countless instances where racism has been directly aimed at President Obama, but then protected under the ideological shield of claiming reverse racism. Or take a look at Rand Paul's comments regarding segregation, where he stated his belief that restaurants should be allowed to refuse service to whomever they like. Merely asking if their may have been a racist motive involved sparked immediate hostility from the Tea Party, which Paul belongs to, with claims of reverse racism from some of his street-level supporters.

Does reverse racism exist? Yes, it does. No one could really say it doesn't, not honestly anyway. Does it happen to the extent that some might have you believe? Not even remotely. In the majority of instances where I've personally heard the phrase "reverse racism" in use, it stemmed from a racist incident in and of itself. Genuine racism still happens every single day in the United States, and elsewhere, for that matter. Making claims of reverse racism where none really exists does little else than minimize the ill effects that true racism presents to our society as a whole. It's a subject that's drenched in a stigma that few seem to really grasp, largely due to their never having experienced it first-hand. If we hope to ever rid ourselves of the social disease that is racism, combating improper uses of the phrase "reverse racism" would be a tremendous step in the right direction.

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On a side note, thank you everyone for your encouraging emails! I had some computer troubles in May, and my schedule was jam-packed, so I wasn't able to write many articles last month. This month I'm hoping to make up for it, provided nothing weird happens with my computer. Thanks again for all of the messages and the requests for me to write something new, it meant a lot to me!

  • 9 votes
#1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 1:46 PM EDT
Longhorn78759

STOP CALLING IT REVERSE RACISM!

Racism isn't white hating minorities. It's anyone hating on someone just because of their race.

  • 22 votes
#2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 2:02 PM EDT
Longhorn78759

I realize my comment has nothing to do with the article. It's a personal pet peeve :)

My uncle uses the term 'reverse racism' to cover his racism all the time and it drives me nuts.

  • 9 votes
#2.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 2:07 PM EDT
Ripley8

White people need to acknowledge benefits of unearned privilege
http://www.dickshovel.com/priv.html

WHITE PRIVILEGE SHAPES THE U.S.
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/whiteprivilege.htm

White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack
http://www.case.edu/president/aaction/UnpackingTheKnapsack.pdf

white privilege is alive and well...

  • 4 votes
#2.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 4:57 PM EDT
Chasing

Privilege is alive and well, as it always is; one of the functions of privilege is its own preservation. But what does that have to do with so-called "reverse racism"? I don't know that I understand your point, here.

  • 4 votes
#2.3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:05 PM EDT
Ripley8

it's an underlying reason why Blacks are mad in the first place. Whites are still racist even in ways they don't see ........... so they get dealt it back and cry about it ?

no , privilege in America shouldn't exist since we are to all be thought of as equal , but thank you for showing your racism , your stating whites should treat whites better than blacks. So then if blacks did it is that racist ?

  • 3 votes
#2.4 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 9:16 PM EDT
Chasing

There is never an excuse to "deal it back" - ever. Does institutionalized racism (which yes, does exist) make it (your "dealing") somewhat understandable? Sure. But excuse it? Never.

Privilege exists, and it exists all around us. You can be anyone - any color, any gender, any creed - and still be privileged. You can be in a power dynamic as a minority, and still have other privileges. That is the way of the world. Just ask your average first born.

Being the way of the world, however, does not excuse it, either. We should be educated, and do our best to level the playing field, for all involved - whether you are a woman, or black, or gay, or in a wheelchair, or all of the above.

Privilege is not binary.

  • 6 votes
#2.5 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 10:01 PM EDT
Whitegirl-1852716

Racism......only whites are racist, right? WRONG! I've probably heard more racist nonsense from the mouths of minorities than whites. Minorities are quick to blame whites for their lives yet fail to understand w/out whites they wouldn't have the opportunites they have and continue to receive. Yes, there is still racism. There always will be racism. That's just how it is.

  • 8 votes
#3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 2:04 PM EDT
ERich-356044

Hi Whitegirl!

With all respect, it sounds like you have given up on this issues. Sorry, and I don't mean to be rude, it just sounds like you are saying that since it has existed, it always will so nothing can be done about it.

I beg to differ.... I think it is our responsibility to try to end it within our own selves, and then continue to help those around us so we can end it. Call me an eternal optimist, but that's just my humble opinion.

E

  • 12 votes
#3.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 2:24 PM EDT
Uthaclena

Whenever the word "racism" gets thrown around, it seems to get diluted to a generic meaning of 'disliking a group and bad mouthing and avoiding mixing with them.' I would suggest that that is actually "bigotry." Genuine racism has an element of power to effect other people beyond just hurting their feelings. It is actively advancing an agenda denying the targeted group employment, housing, normal accomodations and opportunities, or threatening their lives because of group characteristics.

Yes, a black business owner who denies employment to a white person just because they're white, can be a racist. A gang with an initiation rite of stabbing a white guy would be racist. But you know, most of the power in America is still vested with the Caucasian Persuasion, so most racism is reserved for us,too. "F.U. Honky!" is bigotry, not racism.

  • 6 votes
#3.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 3:00 PM EDT
Chasing

Genuine racism has an element of power

That is one theory of race, based in conflict theory, but there are others that aren't, including the dominant ones today (based on race formation theory). Of course, both can exist in unison: you can have racism distinct from societal conflict, yet still have that conflict informed by the racism. It may prove, then, that racism becomes more salient, depending on where you fall in the power gradient, but racism, as belief or act, is not itself dependent on the particular race of the actor or the recipient.

That said, yes, institutionalized racism definitely is generally supportive of a white-dominated power structure. It's simply that that structure is fuzzy at its edges. As you say, white people can be on the receiving end of racism, being as they are individuals, with individual experiences, and not franchise representatives. No parents wishes their child to be on either end - actor or recipient in a racist act - which is a wish distinct from DNA, and should not be governed by it.

Well, I say "no parent", but, sadly, we know that's not the case...

  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 3:58 PM EDT
Matt Rock

Racism......only whites are racist, right? WRONG! I've probably heard more racist nonsense from the mouths of minorities than whites. Minorities are quick to blame whites for their lives yet fail to understand w/out whites they wouldn't have the opportunites they have and continue to receive. Yes, there is still racism. There always will be racism. That's just how it is.

This is exactly the problem we're facing. You say "there always will be racism. That's just how it is." And what's worse is that this follows your claim that minorities are more racist than whites. It's this exact sort of dismissive mentality that's at the very root of racism in the United States.

I'm not in the business of being polite. Visit the Hershey factory if you want something candy-coated. To that end, I have to say that your comments show a blatant disregard for the realities of racism in the real world. If you realized just how often minorities were pulled over because of the color of their skin, or just how offensive comments can be to a person whose spent their entire life in a world that treats them second-class, I'd bet you dollars to donuts that your opinion on this would change in a heart beat. It's a cold, hard fact that minorities are treated second-class in this country. Maybe when we start showing minorities the respect they deserve as human beings, we can get to a point where we can criticize them for any remarks they might make on the subject. And that's not going to happen until people stop trying to shut down this dialog.

  • 9 votes
#3.4 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:55 PM EDT
PCMan-615609

Give me a break rock …….I am tired of this attitude…walk softly not to offend…I came from an extremely modest beginning and have accomplished much by today’s standards in spite of an open prejudice toward the less fortunate….but, guess what ….no one at a higher level to myself ever came to me with encouragement to move up to where they were…….I had to make the climb on my own and I do not care who you are white, black or any other color of the races….the same law applies……go get it or settle for less…it is your choice alone…!!!! Your whining rants that the minorities are so deprived from the opportunities of others is totally and complete hog wash……!!!

  • 3 votes
#3.5 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 11:22 PM EDT
Matt Rock

Seriously, and I say this with all due respect: get a clue. Yes, you had to work hard to get to wherever it is you are today. But if you honestly believe that a minority chasing the same ambitions as you doesn't have it several times harder because of the color of your skin, you're in desperate need of some valuable life experience. It's not an "attitude," it's a fact. Maybe I'm exposed to it a bit more, having grown up in a mixed-race household, but it's a serious issue, and if you haven't seen this problem with your own eyes, then perhaps it's time for you to open them.

  • 7 votes
#3.6 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 1:06 AM EDT
PCMan-615609

Seriously…..? You obviously claim to possess some kind of intuition to promote such a statement….! However, I have to ask…..how could you possibly offer suggestions to aid in my awareness of the subject when you have no clue of my life experiences…..?? What are you hoping to accomplish here and how would you suggest that I react to ensure you obtain what you desire…?

  • 2 votes
#3.7 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 11:10 AM EDT
Soph0571

I am sick to death of everyone saying you are playing the race card when you call out racism. I am sick to death of racists playing some kind of equivalence card when there is no equivalence. I want to punch a wall when i listen to the whining of over privileged babies - who are 60- use inflammatory language because society has shifted and they don't 'get it'. IMO there are some really racist grown assed babies around.

  • 5 votes
#3.8 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 6:44 PM EDT
bigbugy

Soph0571,

Right on girl!

That is always the case from where I stand.Racist insist that it is only an excuse to be used when there is no other logical explanation.

Fact is clearly racism is alive and thriving around the world.While attempting to fly under the radar so to speak racist will be determined to use or find any and all other excuses to spread their racist attitude in disguised rhetoric.

There is no place for it in todays world and as a progressive I for one will do what is required of me to end it.The Vine is a great place to exercise that muscle.But there are many other ways as we all know to defeat racism,now all we need is for everyone to grow up and realize we are all in this together.

  • 3 votes
#3.9 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:03 PM EDT
Soph0571

now all we need is for everyone to grow up and realize we are all in this together.

Hurrah!!!! Please God this will happen sometime soon:)

  • 4 votes
#3.10 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:06 PM EDT
PCMan-615609

What do you people want…..???Why do you not spell it out in a way that your supposed opposition could understand……?? All I am hearing, racism is alive and well yet this statement is followed up with a desire to end it by an accepted unity of all races….Please explain to me how this can possibly happen when seeds such as this do nothing more than kick the so called racist in the teeth……..!!!! What do you hope to accomplish by promoting such a strategy…???? If you really think about it…perhaps, there might be a better way…..!!!

  • 1 vote
#3.11 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 9:53 PM EDT
bigbugy

Please explain to me how this can possibly happen when seeds such as this do nothing more than kick the so called racist in the teeth

Because we don't live in an age of ignorance where this behavior hasn't been detected and rejected for decades.

If racists haven't gotten the message over the last 30-40 years maybe a kick in the teeth is exactly what they need to come around to the human race in the 21st century.

The days of debate and dialogue are gone,it's time to put up or be put down.

  • 4 votes
#3.12 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 10:47 PM EDT
PCMan-615609

So......with an attitude such as this.....tell me what makes you any better than a racist? It cetainly appears to me, you are promoting a potential conflict with repercussions beyond your imagination.......!! Perhaps you did not allow enough thought to your response before you posted..??

  • 1 vote
#3.13 - Sat Jun 5, 2010 7:39 AM EDT
Matt Rock

The intention of the article was to show how people claiming reverse racism can completely derail key dialog at times when real racism should be called out and stomped on. People make racist comments, and then try to use reverse racism as a shield. This is a serious, serious problem.

  • 1 vote
#3.14 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 7:54 PM EDT
Syntactic Tree

A good, necessary article with which I entirely agree to this point:

Does reverse racism exist? Yes, it does.

I argued here that it does not exist, neither as a concept nor a label. Racism is racism, and distinguishing types of racism (group X discriminates against Y; group Y discriminates against X) makes it seem like one type is more newsworthy than another.

Are there differences in frequency with respect to occurrences of discrimination between groups? Most definitely. Should this difference be codified with unique terms? No, as this makes it seem like one deserves more attention than others.

  • 5 votes
#4 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
lovetocook74

"makes it seem like one type is more newsworthy than the other........."

how often do you hear the mainstream media reporting incidents of black on white racism??? DOH!

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 2:53 PM EDT
Syntactic Tree

Yes, agreed. It doesn't make it any more or less wrong. Racism is racism, and we don't need individual labels for different types.

  • 7 votes
#4.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 3:09 PM EDT
Matt Rock

I agree that racism is racism, but there was a single instance where I saw a black friend use racism to his advantage, making a white friend feel bad for something that I didn't particularly find racist at all. In thirty years of life, this is the only example of so-called reverse racism I've witnessed first-hand. I can say I've seen it, by it's definition anyway. But the number of times I've seen something properly racist and left unchecked drastically outweighs that single occasion. So to say reverse racism is real could be stated as a fact, but by someone simply coining that phrase, it opened the flood-gates to countless improper uses, more often than not by people attempting to cover their own racist remarks.

  • 2 votes
#4.3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 6:00 PM EDT
Chasing

So your definition of reverse racism isn't so much racism against a perceived majority group, but an instance of leveraging that perceived majority status against that same individual, in order to make a (likely) baseless claim, playing a "racism!" card, and thereby attempting to cut their counter-argument (if any) off at the pass?

If so, that would seem appropriate (although I wouldn't call it "reverse racism" so much as "@!$%#"), but sure, that makes a sort of sense. I don't think that's how I usually have heard it used, though. I guess those would be the "countless improper uses" you speak of.

  • 3 votes
#4.4 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 6:54 PM EDT
Syntactic Tree

Matt, I understand; our definitions simply differ. As Chasing mentioned, I don't know if I'd label that "reverse racism," just really a ****ty thing to do, especially considering the fact that it denigrates actual instances of racism.

But, what's in a name? If that's how you define "reserve racism," then yes, I suppose it exists; there will always be people to manipulate situations to their benefit.

A good article with an excellent point.

  • 2 votes
#4.5 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 10:22 PM EDT
Mister Joshua

With reagards to Rand Paul, no one can seriously think that he is a racist because the facts show otherwise. He has no history whatsoever of thinking that blacks or minorities are somehow inferior. What the Tea Party was upset about was the inserting of the "race card" into what should be viewed as a legitimate argument about the nature of property rights and government power to interfere with those rights.

The whole "reverese racism" thing is a sympton of too many people (like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton) screaming racism whenever there is a legitimate criticism of a black person or a minority. Obama is the President of the United States and a liberal Democrat, why shouldn't he be faced with criticism from those that disagree with him? Are a small faction of critics racist? Yes. But are all critics of him racist? Absolutely not and that's the problem. People like that idiot Janeane Garroffalo and the equally moronic Keith Olbermann think all criticism of Obama is inherently racist.

  • 3 votes
#5 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 2:51 PM EDT
Ripley8

Look at Ron Paul , who does have some great ideas. But president ?

His embrace of conspiracy theories about international Jewish bankers, the United Nations, and 9/11 "truth", his repeated flirtations with openly racist groups like Stormfront, his neglect in allowing his name to be used to promote racist hate literature ( he DID know about it ) , and his bizarre proposals to replace the U.S. dollar with hundreds of competing currencies printed by private individuals !

he was the only congress member to vote against the Financial Antiterrorism Act and a medal to honor Rosa Parks based on principle, not politics.
What kind of nut job principle is that ?

the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 4:51 PM EDT
Matt Rock

Every time someone brings up Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, my blood pressure skyrockets. These men have carried the full weight of the civil rights movement into the twenty-first century. Nine times out of ten, when they're up-in-arms about something, there's a community standing behind them that brought it to their attention. I don't care to live in a world without these two men. Racism is sadly alive and well in this country. If we refuse to take the time to point out instances of it and attempt to diffuse it when it rears its ugly head, then we are, as a whole society, failing our future generations. I only wish we had more men like them.

  • 7 votes
#5.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 6:07 PM EDT
bonos_rama

The whole "reverese racism" thing is a sympton of too many people (like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton) screaming racism whenever there is a legitimate criticism of a black person or a minority.

We see the same thing when anyone criticizes Israel. Out come the screams of anti-semitism. Both cards, the race card and the anti-semitism card, have expired through overuse.

But that doesn't mean that Sharpton, Jackson and Israel don't have some LEGITIMATE claims...

  • 3 votes
#5.3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 6:45 PM EDT
Mister Joshua

But that doesn't mean that Sharpton, Jackson and Israel don't have some LEGITIMATE claims...

I never said that they didn't and I greatly respect their contributions to the Civil Rights cause. However, these are the same two men that freaked out over a cartoon about a monkey and the stimulus package. Sometimes they can be too reactive and sensitive. If people want to be ignorant and racist, then that's there business.

  • 2 votes
#5.4 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 12:08 AM EDT
Matt Rock

That cartoon was outrageously offensive to me the very second I saw it, and it had nothing to do with either Sharpton or Jackson. They got on television and merely reiterated exactly what I felt when I saw that cartoon. I'm sure you'd agree that it was offensive. And while most people would look at it and see it for what it was, some aren't going to get it until it's pointed out to them.

If people want to be ignorant and racist, then that's there business.

It really, truly isn't that simple. Racism isn't as simple as someone watching a bad TV show, where they aren't hurting anyone with their poor taste. Racism directly affects our entire society. When that bigot has a position of power and the ability to hire or fire, skin color is going to work its way into the equation where it shouldn't. Or what if that bigot is a police officer, entrusted to protect the public and armed to do so? Or what if we simplify things drastically, and he's just some guy pumping gas. His racism might only equate to making someone feel uncomfortable, but that person will have dealt with such things their whole life. That's just one more instance in a neverending struggle to feel like an equal in an era where such bigotry simply shouldn't exist.

#5.5 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 1:18 AM EDT
DEVIL1

Matt,you bring up Limbaugh.Please sight what he's said that you find offensive enough to write an article.I listen to him daily and I don't see it.So I guess I'm among the blind listeners.Enlighten me please.

  • 1 vote
#6 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 3:00 PM EDT
Justin Smith-1635683

If you listen him every day and haven't noticed his blatant racism then it wouldn't matter to point it out because you wouldn't believe him any way.

  • 5 votes
#6.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 6:23 PM EDT
bonos_rama

Good call, Justin. There would be no point. Even with transcripts, the person will deny Limbaugh is racist.

Personally, to me, Limbaugh is the Al Sharpton of white people.

  • 3 votes
#6.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 6:46 PM EDT
DEVIL1

OK ,so you two think that because he pokes fun of Obama he's a racist.Or because he pokes fun at Jackson ,Sharpton the good RevWright.If poking fun at those morons make you a racist.And comming from two guys that never heard more than 5 minutes if that over the twenty years he's been on you have NO CREDS.

#6.3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 7:52 PM EDT
Justin Smith-1635683

Like I said you wouldn't notice

  • 2 votes
#6.4 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 10:50 PM EDT
Matt Rock

No Devil, I'm not talking about his poking fun at anyone. I'm talking about his blatantly racist comments. Please see #12 for details.

  • 3 votes
#6.5 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 1:19 AM EDT
Tina-293371

Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot.

  • 2 votes
#6.6 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 9:33 PM EDT
PCMan-615609

Like I said you wouldn't notice

So......you are a loyal listener to Limbaugh ...??? Of course you are....otherwise, how would you have known he was a racist...???

  • 2 votes
#6.7 - Sat Jun 5, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
Matt Rock

You don't have to listen to his show to know that he's a blatant racist. The guy's quotes escape his show, you know.

  • 1 vote
#6.8 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 7:55 PM EDT
Askari

Matt, I would have to take issue with the myth of "reverse racism." First, race is a poorly crafted construct that humanity has had forced upon it. For example, the main divisions or races are Negroid (yes, the Negro moniker is still in effect), Mongloid (named for the Mongol tribe that had conquered Eurasia), and Caucasoid (named for the 444,000 square miles of land bordering Russia, Turkey and Iran), a theory created by Johann Friedrich Blumenbach and then further twisted by Christoph Meiners back in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. Source: Collective Degradation: Slavery and The Construction of Race. This leaves out a LOT of other people who populated the earth that do not fit into these ridiculous classifications.

Next, let's clarify the definition of race.

Racism: a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

This is where the whole notion of "reverse racism" falls apart. Other than extremist groups like the Taliban, when have you heard so-called "minorities" espouse that they feel they should rule over White or any other people? However, when one looks at history, it is the White people who have carried out their claims of superiority and forcibly conquered, enslaved, and slaughtered indigenous people across this planet. The age of exploration and enlightenment was just a euphemism for colonialism. To this very day, the whole world has had its development stunted by European thieves and murderers (Britain, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, Netherlands) who erased precious cultures and ways of life wherever they went and replaced it with Western "civilization."

It's about how racism was used to systematically oppress the non-Caucasians physically, mentally, emotionally, and economically. That's the mark of racism. Bigotry and prejudice would probably be better terms to use instead of "reverse racism."

Whitegirl, you have a very sad sense of history and perspective. Whites stole opportunities from so-called "minorities" when they sailed to their lands and stole their resources for their own benefit. By the way, the "minorities" far outnumber the Caucasians if you have any idea about the world's population.

  • 4 votes
#7 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 3:06 PM EDT
mon glas

Askari

Your comment to Whitegirl is about as racist as you get. Your comment whites stole opportunites from so called minorites, and minorites far outnumber the Caucasions is racism. The point of the article is that any there are still racist keeping the issue going, and you have just proven that.

  • 1 vote
#7.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 3:22 PM EDT
Askari

mon glas, just because you say my comment is racist, does not mean it's true. However, if you took the time to COMPREHEND my post and look at HISTORY, you would not have come to such a faulty conclusion. Please defend your perspective with cogent discourse instead of name-calling.

  • 3 votes
#7.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 3:40 PM EDT
Chasing

Caucasians

A problem when debating race is using terms we all know are meaningless (at least, scientifically), and this is such an instance: white is a franchise, and it, like other franchises (including black and Latino) is good at co-opting groups. What is white now once was not, fifty years ago. So it goes. It would behoove us to remember this; and while history has present-day consequences, we have the opportunity today to move beyond it. Difficult to do without a lot of scare quotes, I know.

#7.3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 3:46 PM EDT
Askari

Chasing, I was very ambivalent about using the term but considering that we have not advanced as a species to the point where we don't use such divisive terminology, I was lost for more appropriate designations since none exist. What are "scare quotes?"

  • 1 vote
#7.4 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 3:50 PM EDT
Chasing

Yes, I know, it's a problem when discussing things like this; and honestly using scare quotes around every instance of "White" (or whatever) gets a bit tiring, on both the fingers and the eyes. But yes, in this instance, they're just a marker saying, yes, yes, I know I'm using this particular word, but I don't condone it... I've written literally hundreds of papers in a dissertation on race that was littered with "White" and "Coloured" and "Mongoloid", etc, simply because language itself is part of the problem, but also of the solution. It can be a little infuriating, as I know you're aware. ;)

#7.5 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 4:03 PM EDT
mon glas

Askari

Apology for jumping to conclusion. I do see what your point was now. History is what it is, however if the race issue was left out of todays problems there maybe would be a chance of solving some very important issues for everyone.

  • 3 votes
#7.6 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 4:12 PM EDT
Askari

mon glas, apology accepted. That really means a lot and speaks volumes to your integrity. No harm, no foul. How sad that a poorly crafted construct like race has served as a Pandora's Box to humanity and we don't seem to know how to close it. I guess that's part of our frailty as a species -- fear.

  • 2 votes
#7.7 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 4:26 PM EDT
Simba1chief

#7.7

We need to move beyond our biology - the inbred fear of "otherness." It served a function once, perhaps, but is a deadly liability now. We are all one race

  • 5 votes
#7.8 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:58 PM EDT
Tina-293371

Hear Hear!

  • 1 vote
#7.9 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 9:34 PM EDT
Chasing

There is no such thing as reverse racism, anymore than driving forward is going reverse backward; it's just racism. It should be called out where we see it. And we should never tolerate it, no matter its source, or no matter who it is directed at. I think we must be clear about this, and shine a light of truth and openness on it, to deprive those who would hide in its shadows of their wiggle room.

  • 5 votes
#8 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 3:40 PM EDT
firsty

the question of "what is reverse racism" is key, i think, to understanding this problem.

anyone can be racist, in that anyone can have flawed perceptions of the relative value among people of different "races." there is the natural bias we all have, which makes us gravitate towards similar-looking and similar-acting people, and we've constructed groups to make that easier -- religions, nations, social practices, etc, and that includes what we consider "race."

but there is also learned racism, which comes from culture. to that extent, all members of a culture are susceptible to holding "racist" views.

along those lines, i would agree with those who say that there is no such thing as reverse racism -- the very term implies that there is a "normal" racism, which (based on the way it's used by those who claim it) comes from the majority against the minority. by making claims of "reverse racism," all people like rush limbo do is to demonstrate their absolute ignorance of the problem.

but it's a defensive posture. it comes from the fact that they still perceive an inherent difference between people, so much so that even a person's natural biases can only be explained relative to the dominant group. that they cant accept that learned biases, by being learned, are entirely separate from one's own group, is an example of racism -- they think that black people and white people think differently, which causes blacks to "reverse" the "normal" racism, causing a different problem.

and that they call "white on black" racism just "racism," but "black on white" racism "reverse racism" further establishes that "white" is "normal," and primary, and that black is secondary.

it's racist to claim "reverse racism." anyone using that term (to the extent they are really using it, and not just parroting it, which i think happens quite often, and probably explains how it's used by people like whitegirl above) is expressing categorically racist views.

they're simply trying to become the victim. they perceive that the traditional behavior of racism has been effectively reduced, so that any further claims of racism are inherently flawed, and that now THEY are the victim -- a special (reverse) victim -- of a certain kind of racism that is (to them) even worse because they've presented it as a sort of "revenge" thing, like now the minorities are just "getting even" with whites for unfairnesses that (they feel) have already been corrected.

it's PR bull@!$%#, and we all know it.

  • 3 votes
#9 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 4:23 PM EDT
mon glas

Nice Post Everyone, first Ive seen so far that addresses the race issue intellegently and unbiased.

#10 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:41 PM EDT
Dave-661352

Matt-----Was wondering where you had gone. Glad to see you're back. Good article. Thanks.

  • 1 vote
#11 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
Matt Rock

Back in July of 2009 I wrote an article about Rush Limbaugh's racism (the Vine isn't letting me link to it, for some reason?). In that piece I cited numerous examples of things he said that were nothing if not blatant racism. How anyone could listen to his show regularly and not realize that is well beyond my comprehension. But when I label Limbaugh a racist (because that's exactly what he is), someone almost always jumps up to claim "reverse racism."

This was a response to #6. For some reason it dropped it down here.

  • 6 votes
#12 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:46 PM EDT
Simba1chief

Try these on for size:

Top 10 Racist Limbaugh QuotesView Photos
By Casey Gane-McCalla October 20, 2008 9:45 pm

THE TOP TEN QUOTES
1. "Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

2. "Right. So you go into Darfur and you go into South Africa, you get rid of the white government there. You put sanctions on them. You stand behind Nelson Mandela — who was bankrolled by communists for a time, had the support of certain communist leaders. You go to Ethiopia. You do the same thing."

The communist connection is an old way of dealing with black leaders. They used it on Martin Luther King, they're using it on Barack Obama and Limbaugh used it on Nelson Mandela. By siding with the racist apartheid regime over a world-wide symbol of peace and freedom, Limbaugh has shown he's a global racist.

3. "Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."

Limbaugh is once again fear mongering and race baiting by associating professional black athletes with criminals and gangmembers. He continues the fear mongering association of good, decent, hard working African Americans as criminals.

4. "The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

Now Limbaugh is saying that an organization with a storied tradition of representing the positive black people for change in their communities are criminals and rioters. An organization that has been represented by intelligent professional African Americans, that has played a part in the Civil Rights movement and continues to be an intelligent, concerned voice for the African American community is degraded to common criminals. There you go Rush. Keep racism alive!!!!

5. "They're 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?"

6. [To an African American female caller]: "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back."

7." I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve."

I wasn't super offended by this, the whole black quarterback/coach thing has been going on for years in sports, but the quote was so offensive that Retired General Wesley Clarke said:

There can be no excuse for such statements. Mr. Limbaugh has the right to say whatever he wants, but ABC and ESPN have no obligation to sponsor such hateful and ignorant speech. Mr. Limbaugh should be fired immediately.

8. Limbaugh's many attacks on Obama.

Limbaugh has called Obama a 'halfrican American' has said that Obama was not Black but Arab because Kenya is an Arab region, even though Arabs are less than one percent of Kenya. Since mainstream America has become more accepting of African-Americans, Limbaugh has decided to play against its new racial fears, Arabs and Muslims. Despite the fact Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law school, Limbaugh has called him an 'affirmative action candidate.' Limbaugh even has repeatedly played a song on his radio show 'Barack the Magic Negro' using an antiquated Jim Crow era term for Black a man who many Americans are supporting for president. Way to go Rush.

So Rush Limbaugh has managed to make racist attacks on four of the most admired and respected people of African descent in the past one hundred years, in Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Colin Powell and Barack Obama. He has claimed that Joe the Plumber, who isn't even a plumber is more important in this election than Colin Powell, a decorated military veteran who has served honorably in three administrations. How can the Republican party stand by this man and let their candidates appear on his show? Rush Limbaugh's comments are so racist, they're funny, in a Borat, Archie Bunker kind of way. What is not funny is the millions of dittoheads who listen to him, who take in and re-spout all the racist rhetoric that he spits. Limbaugh's statements are echoed in the racist, angry Palin/McCain supporters who shout 'kill him,' 'terrorist,' 'communist,' 'traitor,' 'socialist' and 'off with his head.'

9. "We need segregated buses… This is Obama's America."

Okay Limbaugh let's take back all of the Civil Rights movement and bring segregation back. But you're not a racist.

10. "Obama's entire economic program is reparations/"

So everything Obama is doing is a big plot to give money to Black people. Any evidence? Stop the racist fear-mongering.

TWO MORE OF CONTESTED VERACITY:

1. "I mean, let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back; I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

2. "You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed."

BONUS QUOTES
(…because ten isn't enough!)

"Obama is "more African in his roots than he is American" and is "behaving like an African colonial despot"

"Obama is an angry Black guy"

Tha enough for ya? There's more...

  • 8 votes
#13 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:54 PM EDT
Matt Rock

ty Simba for the backup, excellent comment! :)

  • 5 votes
#13.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 6:08 PM EDT
Head-Negro

nice post Simba it shows thier true colors and nice article Matt

sending friendvation :)

  • 3 votes
#13.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 6:22 PM EDT
bonos_rama

Limbaugh and his followers try to say Limbaugh is NOT racist; however, Limbaugh is incapable of going five minutes without pointing out the race of the president and making a big production out of it.

  • 2 votes
#13.3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 6:53 PM EDT
Simba1chief

ty Simba for the backup, excellent comment! :)

YW Matt - good article!

  • 2 votes
#13.4 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 9:13 PM EDT
Chasing

I'm glad you posted this; I stay clear of Limbaugh and so didn't know he'd said such things (though I'm not surprised).

  • 2 votes
#13.5 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 10:21 PM EDT
I'm Ringo

Genuine racism still happens every single day in the United States, and elsewhere, for that matter.

And it happens by all races against all races. I've personally been refused service at a restaurant based on the color of my skin. I've been told to get back on the highway and keep driving till 'you see white faces'. I rather think that qualifies as 'genuine'.

  • 5 votes
#14 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 7:22 PM EDT
merleliz

Except if it's black on white racism, according to this seed...it's not "real" racism...it's "reverse" racism...which is only an excuse? Nope...racism is not the sole perogative of whites...believe me, move to a black neighborhood or live in a predominately black city, you'll not only get to experience racism at first hand, but you'll realize how totally stupid racism is. When you do, and you see that people are people, some are awesome, some are a**holes, and the color of their skin has nothing to do with it...that's when you can end racism.

  • 1 vote
#15 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 11:10 PM EDT
Tina-293371

Much of what people call "reverse racism" is simply a reaction to the racism a person or group of people has experienced.

Whites treated blacks like dirt for so many years, that blacks naturally have bad feelings towards whites. Therefore whites claim that blacks are practicing "reverse racism".

If whites are that paranoid maybe they have a reason to be.

  • 1 vote
#16 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 11:29 PM EDT
I'm Ringo

Much of what people call "reverse racism" is simply a reaction to the racism a person or group of people has experienced.

Yeah, that's a popular concept among black and asian racists. White racists like to say that their racism is simply a reaction to the other races. Of course, those are both just sad excuses to be racist.

What it all comes down to is that there are people of every race that look down on, insult, treat poorly, abuse, etc. members of other races. No matter who the perpetrator and victim are......it's still racism.

  • 2 votes
#16.1 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 7:26 AM EDT
Tina-293371

You are right in saying that there are people of every race that look down on people of other races, for whatever reason. Some of it is due to being treated badly by people of another race and some of it is due to their just being racist themselves.

Sad to say, I think racism is a part of human nature.

  • 1 vote
#16.2 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 7:50 AM EDT
Auteur 1536

Racism is idiotic, reverse-racism is just as idiotic, and stupid racism - when people try pass off religion as a race - is just ridiculous.

  • 1 vote
#17 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 6:54 PM EDT
sidetrak the disgusted

as long as you have people you have racism .

#18 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:00 PM EDT
sidetrak the disgusted

as long as you have people you have racism .

#19 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:00 PM EDT
sidetrak the disgusted

as long as you have oeople you have racism .

#20 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:01 PM EDT
sidetrak the disgusted

people are just that wat

#21 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:04 PM EDT
bigsaf

AHA! Reverse Reverse Racism, Matt!!!

Great stuff, Matt...I remember talking to a Viner months back on it...boy, was he full of resentment, touting the NH firemen case...

And of course the self-projection and what not, and how racists don't ever see themselves as racists, but rather unto others and when they do the whole 'I was joking' thing like abusers, and then turn around with these 'but seriously...' gems!

And I'll say it again...they are being legitimized by the Republican and tea parties and being given cover by right-wing conservative populations.

There maybe some racists on the Left too...but not as MANY and as LOUD as the ones on the Right who are literally on a pedestal.

Here's one of my fav articles on Limbaugh all the way back from '95, which is even more relevant today given the increased charged atmosphere of bigotry from blacks to immigrants to Muslims, etc.

http://motherjones.com/politics/1995/05/lyin-bully

I have a correspondent named Irwin Wingo in Weatherford, Texas. Irwin and some of the leading men of the town are in the habit of meeting about 10 every morning at the Chat'n'Chew Cafe to drink coffee and discuss the state of the world. One of their number is a dittohead, a Limbaugh listener. He came in one day, plopped himself down, and said, "I think Rush is right: Racism in this country is dead. I don't know what the @!$%#s will find to gripe about now."

Incredibly today talking to another Viner on one of Soph's articles,

http://susanduncan.newsvine.com/_news/2010/06/04/4463177-jake-knotts-raghead-and-the-nature-of-gop-racism?last=1275691120&threadId=973366&sp=0&pc=25#last_1

in regards to SC Senator Knotts racist slur 'raghead' against Haley and Obama, he/she totally downplayed it and instead went on an anti-Obama rant, and even after pointing this bias out, still failed to come about condemning Knotts and deflected.

  • 4 votes
#22 - Fri Jun 4, 2010 7:28 PM EDT
PhxAZMom

Limbaugh is pathetic. So is his lil buddy Beck. It's not hard for either one of these idiots to read a scripted version of the news via the teleprompter. I mean FFS Beck fake cries over nonsense. It's scary to think of the millions that stand behind that BS. I have a feeling it's the same millions that believe WWF wrestling is REAL.

Racism in 2010 is a measurement of stupidity and ignorance. Those that are racist are the ones that proclaim they're not and then throw in "my best friend is black". Ignorance in it's finest form!

Here's how you can show a racist just how clueless they are: Line up 10 men behind a black curtain. Let the racist walk down the line, and as he/she does the person behind the curtain can state their first name, level of education, and career. Then ask him/her to tell you what race each person is. They never get half right. I saw this done with men who were against gay men.

People who never evolve outside their immediate circle, who never see the world and other cultures, have a hard time appreciating, or respecting people who are different from themselves.

  • 3 votes
#23 - Mon Jun 7, 2010 12:41 PM EDT
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