A Texas man took advantage of a little-known provision in state law and now has a whole neighborhood mad at him.
Kenneth Robinson, who many are looking at as either a hero or squatter, recently landed an abandoned home worth $300,000 for $16.00.
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A Texas man took advantage of a little-known provision in state law and now has a whole neighborhood mad at him.
Kenneth Robinson, who many are looking at as either a hero or squatter, recently landed an abandoned home worth $300,000 for $16.00.
Good for Him.
exactly......
that is what I call a happy capitalist....
cheers
:)
Um, no, taxes are based on property value.
Two states with the highest effective tax rates are Wisconsin and Texas, where rates exceed $18 per $1,000 of property value.
If I had the chance to do it, I'd be living there as well!
Good grief, have any of you seen how ridiculous this has become in Tampa, FL?
tobiii
That could also mean that they have the lowest appraised property values on average.
Take two areas, both have the same total funding requirements ( say 1,000,000 dollars over 10000 homes ). In area 1 the houses are worth on average 100,000 a piece, and in area 2 the houses are worth on average 200,000 a piece.
In order to collect the same amount of tax revenue, the effective tax rate of area 1 needs to be double that of area 2.
The property tax rate on its own is not a useful measure.
Interesting as I bought a condo in Long Beach valued at $210k only paid $79k and my tax is based on the purchase price.
Also bought a home in Garden Grove valued at $740k but only paid $430k and am paying taxes on the purchase price there too.
Still say to the guy who paid $16 way to go to make the system work for him!
The 16 dollars in his case wouldn't even be the purchase price, that would be the fee. The purchase price would be 0.
Each state is going to have its own rules however so what you have in california isn't going to be valid in texas, though the rules may end up being the same, it is different state and local statutes.
To become liable for the taxes he probably has to last the 3 years to claim ownership ??? Until then it would be up to the current title holders ...
he actually would have to pay the back taxes in order to claim ownership.
Absolutely, good for him. Is the problem for some that this is a black man taking advantage of the law?
Ok a lot of you are making assumptions about this man's property taxes HERE IN TEXAS, based on your experiences purchasing homes outside of Texas. Our property tax rates are among the highest in the nation and are based upon how much or how little development there is in the surrounding area, so it really is property value. If you live somewhere out in the sticks you will have lower property taxes, for a while and have to drive a million miles to even find the nearest post office. Then development and the nouveau riche come through, building schools, and rec centers, and suddenly your taxes are through the moon. This guy had better have a job and an escrow account because Flower Mound is the new Plano, and has been for some time. The rates out there are ridiculous.
I'm happy for the brother, but i'm sure they won't rest until they get him out. White suburbanites here in Texas are deathly afraid of my people.
In California, Proposition 13 (1978) required property taxes on real property to be no more than 1% of the property value at its current appraised value (1978) or the purchase price paid at a later date.
My house's appraised value (pre 1978) is approximately $225K whereas the market value is approximately $1MM. Nearly every other house in my neighborhood has traded since 1978 and there is a tremendous disparity in the amount of taxes one neighbor pays compared to the neighbor next door.
michael.
and that is fundamentally unfair. You draw on the exact same services that your neighbours do don't you?
I don't understand why it's significant that this guy is black.
I don't understand why it's significant that this guy is black.
It isn't.
But you know how it goes, never let a chance to scream "racism" go to waste.
Even if there is NO "racism" involved.
I don't understand why it's significant that this guy is black.
Wrong sentiment. It's not because he's black. It's because he's not white. They'd probably react the same if he was Hispanic. It IS Texas after all. The last line in the story is:
Do you think the neighbors would have a problem with this man if he was white?
The answer is "probably no," because if he was white, they would say he was what the tea baggin' was all about.
This guy is obviously intelligent enough to do the research and know the law. Until someone can find anything illegal about what he is doing the house is his. Sure the neighbors are upset. They worked hard to afford to buy a 300k + home. But I bet if any one of them had known about this law they would have taken advantage of it too. Sure racism may play a small part in the dispute but I think it's just plain old fashion jealousy.
I believe the man is a real estate agent. I'm not sure about it but I think he is and that is how he knew about the home and the loophole. Jealousy is definately driving the neighborhood problems. They do need to consider this was an abandoned home, in forclosure basically and its safer occupied and will be better for neighborhood values. Its never good for neighborhood values to have forclosed and vacant homes on the street.
Jim Davis, Veterans-For-Change
Interesting as I bought a condo in Long Beach valued at $210k only paid $79k and my tax is based on the purchase price.
Also bought a home in Garden Grove valued at $740k but only paid $430k and am paying taxes on the purchase price there too.
Perhaps it depends upon the state you live in. In my state and at least one other that I know of for certain, the purchase price has nothing to do with the amount of the property tax. The property taxes are based on the estimated current value of the property, which may be higher or lower than the price paid for the property. If you feel the county assessor has calculated the value of your property too high, you can have them send a person out to recheck it. They don't care what you paid for it though.
McSpocky:
The purchase price is the last valuation of the home though. At least until the next assessment.
Wrong sentiment. It's not because he's black. It's because he's not white. They'd probably react the same if he was Hispanic. It IS Texas after all.
Wow, nice stereotyping of all Texans. If it's racist to assume that blacks are welfare queens and gangbangers (and that is racist stereotyping), isn't it racist stereotyping to assume that all Texans are 1) white (we're not, whites are the minority in TX) or 2) don't want blacks and hispanics living near them?
They do need to consider this was an abandoned home, in forclosure basically and its safer occupied and will be better for neighborhood values.
So why bother buying a house at all? just look for an abandoned or in foreclosure home, and move in. We've had an abandoned home on our street for 3 years - I'm going to check this out and take it over!
We've had an abandoned home on our street for 3 years - I'm going to check this out and take it over!
Seriously.
I'm wondering when this dude is going to be on late night TV selling his real estate course. I think I'd buy that one.
You'd think the mortgage / banking industry would be working the politicans to close this loophole -- from reading the brief article, the man claims, apparantly correctly, that if the house is abandoned/not occupied, and someone lives in it for 3 years, they can claim ownership.
as for Texas property taxes, yes, they are very high (voice of experience here), I believe because there is no state income tax in TX, so property taxes must fund what income taxes would.
I was once given the choice of spending one night in Texas or 6 weeks in Hell. I said, "Can I have some time to think about it?" LOL. just a joke of course.
In California, Proposition 13 (1978) required property taxes on real property to be no more than 1% of the property value at its current appraised value (1978) or the purchase price paid at a later date.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/13/business/fi-hiltzik13
Reagan really screwed California with this one.
hmmm... if anybody is made it's either because he IS black or because they couldn't exploit it to benefit them first. Good for him.
Here is just another whacko that needs racism to survive.
Who are you really? Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton maybe.
Wow, nice stereotyping of all Texans.
Agreed. Guilty on this one. In my defense I have, in some other posts, referred to the fact that some Texans (speaking like they were specking for all Texans) where giving other Texans a bad reputation.
"Did I type S L O W L Y enough this time for even a Texan to understand? Too bad your type gives the decent Texans a bad name."
I apologize for not including a similar disclaimer in the previous post.
What are they the most angry about? Him being black, or getting a steal of a deal?
I say good for him too!
Not a steal of a deal... just plain stealing. I'm sorry, but squatting is wrong, no matter what color you are.
I say, if one of those neighbor's shoots his sorry theiving butt, good for them too.
What are they the most angry about? Him being black, or getting a steal of a deal?
I think it's a combination of both. More that he's black
I agree: Good for him.
Not a steal of a deal... just plain stealing. I'm sorry, but squatting is wrong, no matter what color you are.
He followed the law, played by the rules and got the reward. Isn't that the American Dream in a nutshell?
He followed the law, played by the rules and got the reward. Isn't that the American Dream in a nutshell?
Well except for the him not being White part. The American Dream isn't supposed to work for non-White people. /sarc
They're possibly angry at the realization that their property is worth 'zip'.
He followed the law, played by the rules and got the reward.
Just because the law rewards theives who squat on other people's property for a certain amount of time doesn't make it right. What would you think of him if he moved into your house and loced you out, then took legal ownership of the house you worked YOUR whole life for?? Bet you'd have a whole new outlook if you were the victim instead of the bank. But guess what? You're the victim either way, the bank's just going to raise rates to cover the loss, you're just too stupid to understand that we're ALL going to have to pay for this.
Who did he force out, though? The house was abandoned and foreclosed. Sounds like the bank didn't care much, either; maybe thinking that any sort of caretaker they didn't have to hire was better than the sort of squatter that trashes a place or starts fires for cooking in the living room. Now they have somebody who's going to take the place off their hands.
Z1P1
Squatters rights have been enshrined in common law for oh a thousand years or so.
James
It was a mortgage company that was in bankruptcy. Though if anyone is reading the news, it will be on their sights now.
Jonathan, that doesn't make it any less of a theft. Just because it's not illegal doesn't make it right. It's still theft, and he's still a theif, and I certainly wouldn't want a theif moving in next door to me.
zip
Squatters rights have been enshrined in common law for more than a thousand years, so if you don't like it, then have the laws changed in your jurisdiction.
Seriously, he is following the law. Such is life. If the company that currently is the trustee doesn't notice it, then it is their fault.
He's still a theif. Many shoplifters get away with it unnoticed, they are still theives... he will never be any more than a piece of garbage theif... sorry if you don't like that.
z1P2
Ok, a thief is someone that breaks the law. He is NOT breaking the law.
Oh and all it takes is for someone to notify the company that holds the lien on the house and advise them. If they do nothing, not the guys problem.
ZIP is having a real problem understanding something that is legal like squatters rights.
Z1P2, squatters do not present legal paperwork, or go through the trouble of filing papers with the County for ownership. The bank holds the lein on the property so they will have to take on the legal expense to get him out. All of this because the jackass who originally owned the home could not handle the repsonsibility.
He's still a theif.
No, he is an opportunist. If recognized a situations a seized the opportunity following all of the legal requirements to do so. Those with prior claim to the property can come back and have him removed once they have complied with the legal requirements to do so first. He is just banking on the fact that they will not do so before his claim becomes dominant.
In California, in order to take property subject to adverse possession the possessor would have to meet the following requirements:
I guess it is a bit easier in Texas to get a property through adverse possession!
Michael.
He probably would have to pay the property taxes in Texas as well.
Didn't the mortgage company that held the actual deed cease to exist? Am I correct in understanding that he could not have done this on just any vacant house?
The assets of that company would be held in trust by a bankruptcy in trust firm. They would be responsible for the assets until they can be disposed of and sold to another entity. The question is, who now 'possesses' the liens.
The assets of that company would be held in trust by a bankruptcy in trust firm. They would be responsible for the assets until they can be disposed of and sold to another entity. The question is, who now 'possesses' the liens.
Ok. So if that is eventually determined to be....for example...Chase, do they have any recourse to reclaim the property or are they just out of luck?
Well right now, the only assumption is that it is in the hands of a trustee, which can take years because the creditors of the company are probably fighting over who gets what.
The answer to your question is, if the guy files the paperwork, and it is approved, then the previous holder of the lien would no longer have any recourse. The point of waiting the 3 years is that it will be considered abandoned.
If Chase were to buy the assets of the mortgage broker, then chase would potentially have recourse to sue the trustee for not properly managing the assets however.
if the guy files the paperwork, and it is approved, then the previous holder of the lien would no longer have any recourse. The point of waiting the 3 years is that it will be considered abandoned.
I would think that the 3 years is to allow the lien holder, or whoever has the lien now a chance to object to this in court.
kazutam
Yes but the guy doing it is taking advantage of the brokerage entity being in Chapter 7. It doesn't help that there are so many homes that have been foreclosed on that the system has just been completely overwhelmed.
Zip he is not a thief, he found a loophole, and is taking advantage of it. Most people would do the same if the opportunity presented itself. He still risks loosing it as well, the legal issues aren't done.
Actually the neighbors are not angry about anything other than the fact that they missed out on the deal themselves and how it might affect their property values. The BS about him being black and them being mad about it was only made up so that there would be a story to print. This whole thing is total BS just to make it sound like a big story. Stop the non-sense people.
ZIP, its not stealing if state laws allow it.
Well that all depends on the color of your skin for most people, as is readily seen.
True that, Zen. The price the buyer paid is undoubtedly less bothersome than his color. Suggesting vigilante behavior is irresponsible as he's done nothing wrong under the law.
Nah, I disagree. If I pd $300K for my house & some dude waltzed into my 'hood & only pd $16 for his, I think I'd be mighty pissed off about that loophole in the law he discovered b4 I did! Way more pissed than I would about what color said dude was. I'd be, like, banging my head on my hardwood floors right about now LOL Dayum, he pulled a good one! Tho dunno how he's getting the utils turned back on, as it said the house has no water or elec atm & it's pretty hot down there.
Actually, tho, he's not getting that house for only $16. Saw another article elsewhere about this, & that said after the specified time of squatting had passed (was it a yr?), he'd have to come up w/ not just the current taxes on the house, but all the back taxes the owner of the house hasn't pd in the last 3 yrs.
Whatcha think the going annual property/schl tax rate on a $300K house is? Maybe $10K/yr? More? Dude best have himself a nice fat bank acct or he just wasted his $16 & shoulda got a pizza w/ the $ instead.
And why does all this weird stuff always happen down South? If it ain't FL, it's TX!
He didnt pay anything for the house, the 16.00 was for paperwork. He is trying to take the house under a Texas land law called Adverse Possession. If you live next door to me and I build a fence and put it one foot onto your property, and you dont stop me, after a certain amount of time I can claim that one foor under Adverse Possession. I you give me permission to build my fence there, I cant legally take your land. The problem here is that there is no one to either stop him or give him permission, the mortgage company is out of business. Smart move by him until he has to start paying taxes on it.
Do all states have these laws or is Texas just an unusual case?
He is smart, he did his research, he has an idea of what might happen and I bet he's prepared for it.
The price the buyer paid is undoubtedly less bothersome than his color.
James, read the article, he didn't buy it at all.
he didn't buy it at all.
Your right. the $16.00 was just the filing fee for the application under Texas's adverse possession law. But there is still nothing illegal about it.
Hah, that is awesome! I hope he gets the house, eff the banks.
He made the law work for him. That's what I am all about. Good for him.
He made the law work for him. That's what I am all about. Good for him.
So wait, does that sentiment extend to companies who outsource their jobs or evade their taxes? They're using the laws to work for them. I'm curious where you draw the line - or do you? Just sayin' it runs contrary to your post here: #36.5
I hope he gets to keep the house, but, without the electricity - I wonder how they're not claiming the house as uninhabitable.
matt
it's because the house is caught in the middle of a company bankruptcy. The company that own's/services the mortgage is bankrupt so there currently is nobody to foreclose/resell the house.
it's because the house is caught in the middle of a company bankruptcy. The company that own's/services the mortgage is bankrupt so there currently is nobody to foreclose/resell the house.
Yeah, I got that from reading the article. It also says that the city doesn't have water or electricity running to the house, which at least in my county would deem the house as uninhabitable - meaning you can't live there. So according to what I know about Texas' Adverse Possession law - I'm wondering if you need to actually be living in the house to consider being in possession of it.
not sure, electricity you can create with a generator, water is a bit more difficult. I don't know the specifics of this case or the laws in question relating to what he is doing.
[So wait, does that sentiment extend to companies who outsource their jobs or evade their taxes? They're using the laws to work for them. I'm curious where you draw the line - or do you? Just sayin' it runs contrary to your post here: #36.5]
The companies who outsourced jobs made the laws wait , excuse me they paid for laws to be created to benefit them by contributing to candidates who were elected and did their bidding. This man used the laws on the books that was not created for people like him(American Black) and made that law work for him. You forget that many laws in America that benefit White American citizens,were not applicable to American Black citizens. There is no contradiction in my position.
what laws specifically are you talking about.
I can take the jobs that my company has and send them anywhere I want. There is no law that encourages or discourages it.
[I can take the jobs that my company has and send them anywhere]
American companies that outsource American jobs are rewarded with tax breaks and tax ,loopholes for doing so. That is certainly an incentive for a business.
black:
If I outsource my company's jobs, I get the same tax credit/subsidies that I would if I offshore them. The difference is that the overhead for that employee isn't paid by me.
That still is a benefit that was purchased by Corporate donations to the GOP /Tea Baggers/Conservatives Party. The Housing Laws in America were created with racism in mind and did not favor the American Negro.This Black man used a law that was created with him not in mind and made it work for him. That's what making the law work for you means.
Matt,
Seeing as how humans survived for thousands of years before indoor plumbing and electricity were invented, I think this guy will be ok. He more than likely has relatives in the DFW area he can rely on for showering, cooking, ect.
The more I read Z1P2's posts, the more I am convinced that he or she is simply a bigot who does not want Black people living near White people, and thinks we are all a bunch of criminals, much like this man's new racist neighbors. The fact that Z1P2 advocates violence against this man to remove him, smacks of KKK mentality.
Black
No it isn't. It is just the difference in having to pay things like payroll taxes or not having to pay payroll taxes. It is just harder for me to lay someone off, but I can just get rid of a contractor.
That whole "buying while black" thing will sure upset the local Texas teabaggers. Expect a run on white sales at JC Penney and rope from the hardware store in this area real soon.
Real estate news, folks: That house is not "worth" $300K. If he bought it for $16.00, then it is "worth" exactly $16.00.
If the house was built in a state without whatever loophole he used it would be $300K. That's how it works.
If I had a baseball card worth $100 but the only person who wanted to buy it gave me $50 for it, it would still be worth $100.
If I had a baseball card worth $100 but the only person who wanted to buy it gave me $50 for it, it would still be worth $100.
Hmm, not reall though, no...if the most anybody will give you for it is $50 then that's exactly what it is worth. Now someone will give this fellow more than $16.00 for this house so it's worth more than he paid for it. The baseball card is only worth $50...
property assessments only happen every few years, so it wouldn't be the 'value' that is important, but the assessed value.
And he didn't pay 16 dollars for the house, he paid 0 dollars for the house. the 16 dollars is the application fee.
Yes that may sound like a technicality, but it is extremely important. If he paid 16 dollars, then it means that someone personally got 16 dollars for the house, and that isn't correct. He paid the 16 dollars to the government to get the paperwork filed.
He didn't buy anything and he doesn't own anything. All he did was file a paper at the courthouse saying he was living in the house without the owner's permission (the $16 was the fee for filing the notice). If nobody does anything about it for 3 years after he files it, THEN he MAY end up owning the house. Similar laws exist in most states and in most countries. If the owner of a thing abandons it and you don't hide the fact that you have it, it will become yours after a given period if the owner doesn't come looking for it. He is just betting that, due to the particular circumstances, there is nobody who will go to the trouble of legally evicting him. He may end up getting the house, but he didn't buy it for $16 and he'll probably get kicked out before the 3 years is up, especially now that it is a news headline.
well the mortgage is still 'owned' by a company. If the mortgage broker was in chapter 7, then it would be in the hands of a receiver trustee. That asset is probably going to get sold to another company who will then check up on their new assets. If they can't get that done in 3 years, that is their loss for being incompetent.
Jonathan is correct. The bank that owned the mortgage on the home went into bankruptcy They are no longer liable for the home. However, whichever bank picks up the property will be immediately responsible for all back taxes owed on the home since the time it was abandoned. If Bank of America picks up the mortgage, then this guy will have a shot, because it takes them as much as 3 years to even send out reconveyances to people who have paid their last mortgage payment. I know, I worked for B of A back in 2008. What will eventually get this guy out is all the back taxes thatwill be immediately due once this guy is awarded ownership of the home. If he hasn't got 10k or more in the bank, he's out.
Julian
Well it is up to the trustee in bankruptcy to properly assess and care for the assets of the defunct company.
What will eventually get this guy out is all the back taxes thatwill be immediately due once this guy is awarded ownership of the home. If he hasn't got 10k or more in the bank, he's out.
You gotta figure it's probably even more than that. Surely taxes haven't been paid in a couple of years, plus he's not going to get a homestead exemption.
I think he is a real estate agent or some other type of professional, he is not just a squatter that happened upon an empty house. He knew about the house and the legalities surrounding it because of his job. He can probably pay any taxes no problem. I've seen him interviewed.
This is a rerun of same content posted earlier this week on the vine except then it did NOT speak of the peson's race. I guess The Vine had to use that to generate some negative reactions for that all important media frenzy requirement. What the heck does his color have to do with the matter.
The man was slick! He spent time doing the research to do the deal. However if you read all the article you find that he really may have bought himself more trouble than benefit. He can still be evicted by lawyers for the now defunct mortgage company and if he is, I am sure they will tie him up in court and further sue him for their legal fess and expenses. To me this is not much of a net sum gain but an impending stressful and contentious legal battle that could break him if he loses. Not to mention the fact that just because he is in occupation, not ownership but occupation for $16.00 does not mean he is getting away with paying real estate taxes on a $16.00 home purchase either. Finally what about the family in Washington that did the same thing and ended up in jail as a result of their quick claim activity.
Hope this guy gets away with it but I doubt it and it seems to me that it can lead to more headaches than it is worth.
That's WILD!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!
Let me get this straight:
First, the owner of this $300,000 home realized that it was going into foreclosure and moved out.
Then, the mortgage company that was trying to collect on the foreclosure went out of business as well.
Now, Kenneth Robinson, being VERY astute, does some research, and with $16.00 and occupying the place for THREE (3) YEARS, he can petition the court so they can hand over to him the title of the house.
HOT DAMN!!!!! ONLY IN AMERICA!!!!!!!
A word of advice to the neighbors that are visibly upset about him getting the house in this fashion:
"DON'T HATE THE PLAYA; HATE THE GAME!!!!!!"
Now, Kenneth Robinson, being VERY astute, does some research, and with $16.00 and occupying the place for THREE (3) YEARS, he can petition the court so they can hand over to him the title of the house.
I know, right? The idiot that lived next to me abandoned his house a year and a half ago. He could have lived there and not paid any mortgage payments because nobody is getting evicted. It's irritating having to mow the yard next door every time mow mine. I wonder if there is such a loophole in North Carolina. I wish he would move in beside me so he could start mowing the damn yard! lol
luke,
just quickly consult a lawyer with regards to 'squatters rights' and see what are on the books.
If a lawyer is asking, just say you are concerned about the homeless or drug dealers impacting the value of your home or something like that.
if the neighbours didn't notice the guy for 3 years, then why is it his fault (remember, he has to live in the house without being legally kicked out for 3 years to qualify under that state law).
This is what is going through my head: 'Yeah you are mad at him because you are a stupid idiot that doesn't pay attention to what is happening in your neighbourhood, oh piss off, and get your eyes checked will you'.
Kevin,
If the mortgage company goes out of business, a trustee will be assigned during the bankruptcy (that would be a chapter 7) and would sell the assets to another mortgage company. EIther way, the trustee would manage those assets. If those assets aren't dealt with within the 3 year period, well that is the fault of the trustee.
You know it's funny(not really it's actually quite sad), that this article is written and posted to supposedly show the "racism" of the white neighbors, yet when you look at the comments posted on this seed and the comments attached to the article you get a completely different picture of where the "racism" is coming from.
But no one will notice this since it doesn't go along with the ONLY "whites" are "racist" mindset.
Julian
Nope I live just north in Oklahoma. But I have traveled and worked all over the "northern" half of Texas.
These folks do not want their property values plummeting, it's as simple as that.
Because whether you wish to admit it or not the plain and simple fact is that when even the "good" black families start moving into a neighborhood the crime rates go up and the property values go down.
I am NOT saying that it is the folks moving in causing this, more often than not it is their "friends" and families who come to visit that are the actual root cause especially if there are teenagers involved, but it does happen and there is no denying it.
I have lived in all sorts of neighborhoods, from those "gated communities" to the "ghetto".
I have lived beside and with all sorts of folks also.
Look I'm sorry and you can put any type of "spin" on what I have said that you wish to, but deep down you KNOW it's the truth, and sadly sometimes the truth hurts.
I know the area, it is predominately white but there are black families, as far as I know they don't get grief. The area he is in has a very low crime rate. The crimes that do occur have mostly been attributable to the to kids in the area because most ( all colors) have excessive spending money and time.
Though I am sure there are rascists around but I would think most in the area would try to hide it for fear of looking like rednecks. There may be issues with his race but enough people are stuggling even just a bit I figure they are pissed about the $16 bucks.
From what I can surmise, the neighbors seem more upset about the $16.00 "acquisition", than his race.
Excellent job by Mr. Robinson to know the rules and use them to his advantage.
Just mad they didn't know about that law. (Never heard of tax auctions either, maybe?) Not his fault for being better informed.
Hip-Hip-Hooray....for Mr. Robinson...sqauatersrights!
Um, no, taxes are based on property value.
Nah, taxes are based on SALE price and land value...
Um, no, taxes are based on property value.
Taxes are generally based on assessed value
Not a steal of a deal... just plain stealing. I'm sorry, but squatting is wrong, no matter what color you are.what color you are.
Sorry to spoil your hate and bigot fest Z1P2. Squatters rights or adverse possession, in legaalese, is an accepted, albeit conditional form of ownership.
Adverse possession is a process by which premises can change ownership. It is a common law concept concerning the title to real property (land and the fixed structures built upon it). By adverse possession, title to another's real property can be acquired without compensation, by holding the property in a manner that conflicts with the true owner's rights for a specified period. For example, squatter's rights are a specific form of adverse possession.
I say, if one of those neighbor's shoots his sorry theiving butt, good for them too.
I'm sure you're sorry you're not one of those neighbours. A true gun loving American.
I actually don't live too far from this town and I am here to guarantee you that what these people are upset about is that this man is black. The town used to be called "White Mound" and it is one of the most racist towns in Texas, probably only second to Jasper. Don't think these people aren't above trying to harm this man for having the audacity to live in their town and be black, imagine their fury at him living in a nice house as well... lol.
I say good for him and I wish him the best of luck.
Really? well, I actually live in Flower Mound, and you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
The town used to be called "White Mound" and it is one of the most racist towns in Texas, probably only second to Jasper.
You are completely killing your credibility with this statement.
I have never heard Flower Mound called White Mound either. Been around here a long time. There is Blue Mound, but it's a different place.
And it has nothing to do with blue balls :p (sorry I couldn't resist )
It is definately no Jasper! I can point to far more rascist places in Texas. Texas has it pockets but Denton county isn't a hotbed.
BTW I wish him the best of luck as well.
Score one for the smart people here. Just hope he makes it that long...
I give Mr. Robinson a pat on the back. Neighbors are mad because they think White is Right and Black is the devil. White people are stupid. They are mad at him because of the color of his skin. Racism is totally unacceptable in any culture. The $16.00 was for the app fee. Mr. Robinson knows that and is prepared fto do whatever is next financially. His neighbors need to get a real life and job. Clean their own home and stay out of grown folks business. Trailer Trash Mentality is not accepted ever. Leave other people's affairs alone. Get rid of those broken down cars in the backyard. If those neighbors took the time to "Do Them", they wouldn't have the time to "Do Mr. Robinson"
White people are stupid.
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Racism is totally unacceptable in any culture.
Pot, meet kettle.
I hear ya, sista! Two things I hate are racists and white people!
/sarcasm off
Curious... what makes you hate white people ? And does that not make you a racist?
You Get pissed off about taxes, welfare, and people who take advantage of the system LEGALLY…
What about those who do it legally and get state and federal grant money and don’t use it for it’s intended purpose?
You have to watch this video of Judge Judy before it's removed from you Tube before it's gone - it's actually a guy from St Paul, MN.
It will tick you off especially if our government is shut down. Unbelievable.
This is why are taxes should be raised?? Come on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7XA2UUpXRk
I don’t hate anyone, race, religion, etc… but I sure as hell do hate the people MY tax dollars are “helping” and it’s spent on personal crap and not used for what the grant money was for!
Jim Davis
That guy sounds like a real winner, actually he sounds like someone I would prefer to pay subsistence money to this guy just so that he can stay out of the workforce. To try and get him to be productive in anyway is a lost cause. I don't want him to try.
Just one of the millions of "winners" who take advantage of the many social programs!
[Just one of the millions of "winners" who take advantage of the many social programs!]
Yeap just like the New Deal and other programs that helped Whites but excluded American Black citizens and taxpayers. Perhaps this will enlighten you about who benefited from the many "social programs" you're referring to. Enjoy- http://academic.udayton.edu/race/04needs/affirm22.htm
Nostalgia... I remember the days Newsviners provided links to back up their comments, rather than paragraphs of hot air designed to "sound" intelligent. It's difficult to argue facts sensibly.
Informative link above... Thanks.
Black Man Buys $300k House For $16, Neighbors Upset
Why couldn't the title simply be: "Man Buys $300k House For $16, Neighbors Upset"???
Cris
Because as I stated earlier on this seed the author of the article WANTS it to be something "racial" so that is the way they wrote the article.
If you look at where the article is sourced from that might give you some idea of why it is written the way that it is.
But that's OK, because everyone KNOWS that it's ONLY "whites" that are "racist" in this country.
Ah OK, thank you Kazutam!
But that's OK, because everyone KNOWS that it's ONLY "whites" that are "racist" in this country.
I disagree completely (even though I know you're being sarcastic). It's just that racism from whites is more 'advertised' or popular than other types of racism. If anything, I find that (in the US) African Americans at times are more racist than white Americans.
Cris
Thanks for recognizing the sarcasm(too many don't and I forgot to tag it that way), but sadly it seems that too many actually DO believe it.
It bleeds over into everything, and to be honest I think that the constant attempts at appeasement when that cry is raised are making things worse instead of better and are making more and more folks look for any way possible to raise that cry.
You read the article and watch the attached video interview and NO ONE raised "race" as any type of issue, but the person who wrote the article.
Yet give folks a chance to digest that and you will soon hear that there were "code words" used or that they DO NOT need to hear it to KNOW that this is what those folks think.
To those who think that way(that they can read peoples minds) I'm sure that you are ALL multi-billionaires since you have that talent.
Haha you're funny!
But yea, I'm glad that even though the article points out racism, people are not anymore paying too much attention to it. That is really awesome!
Well the title of the article succeeded in getting you guys going again about racism. The leftist liberal media does that all the time while acting as if it is only pointing out a problem when the whole time they are just trying to create a buzz with another false racist claim. Trolling disguised as great journalism.
I thought this was acceptable in America? Why is this situation any different? Of course the guy has a lot of legal hurdles to overcome and if you read the article, this is far, far and away from a done deal.
I just 130k for a commoner home.....wish I had known this guy and saved myself the lifetime debt.
This man's situation might look good in the article but if you read this small excerpt which is just a small part of the full code, you will note that the original legal owner only has to make claim to the property and thus could put this man through legal hearings for years. even though the mortage company is out of business, they still have legal representation and they did not just throw up the properties for anyone to grab. The federal government no doubt somewhere along the line or BOA or another entity would be the "original owner" the mortgage company merely transacted the deal. One must remember that there have been hundreds of mortgage company failures with properties in the billions of dollars left to the entity who in fact gave the funds for the loan.
In really hope this guy would win and I hope that about another couple million people could do the same thing but alas, the odds of this fellow winning hands down is slim.
One more point to know BOA and several other bank lending companies are "donating" distressed real estate properties and then tering them down. In other words, they are ready to take 100% loss, write it off as a donation and be done with the deal. so anything is possible.
Introduction
Adverse possession refers to the circumstances under which one may lawfully lay claim to ownership of property not originally one’s own. The statute governing the rules of adverse possession is Texas Civil Practices & Remedies Code Sec.16.021 et seq. The statute defines adverse possession as “an actual and visible appropriation of real property, commenced and continued under a claim of right that is inconsistent with and is hostile to the claim of another person.” Case law adds that it must be true that the possessor of the property actually does possess it (the belief of entitlement to possess is not enough), possesses it continuously (sporadic possession is not sufficient), and that he peaceably and intentionally asserts a claim of right to the exclusion of all others. It is not enough to be merely caring for the property temporarily, or even paying the taxes on it, until the owner reappears. Possession shared with the original owner is not enough. Further, the location of the tract of land must be determinable with reasonably certainty. It must have boundaries.
The rules are specific for a reason. As the Texas Supreme Court stated, the adverse possession “doctrine itself is a harsh one, taking real estate from a record owner without express consent or compensation.” Tran v. Macha, 213 W.W.3d 913,914 (Tex. 2006). The statute sets forth rules and conditions under which the doctrine applies. These must be conclusively met. Close enough is not good enough. In the event adverse possession is litigated, all of these issues become questions of fact to be decided by a court of law.
The statute is structured in such a way as to require an affirmative act by the original owner to reclaim the property within certain periods of time, referred to as statutes of limitation. If he is prevented from doing so by physically recapturing possession, then he must file a trespass to try title suit in order to reclaim possession and establish legal ownership. If the original owner does not take either action, then his claim is barred, and the adverse possessor prevails. Note that the doctrine of adverse possession does not apply to public lands or against a government entity
Well, I never believe in anything that comes to anyone that easily will bring them complete happiness. I, of course, hope things will work out for the best for him. But to me, when something is way too good to be true, it isn't really true! Nothing in this life is free...everything has a price, no matter how you pay for it in the end! In my opinion. I'm way to realistic to get away from this way of thinking.
Good for this guy and about the taxes..........well even if he has to pay $50,000 in taxes he'll have three years to bank what he makes. If this guy was smart enough to figure this deal out I am sure he contemplated the taxes, he didn't look like a complete fool. As far as the racist comments from both directions in this discussion I say get over yourselves. As for the neighbors in this area I also say get over it......it's happening.
well the neighbours COULD, if they were really offended, do a bit of research and figure out WHO the trustee of the mortgage brokers assets were and tell them what is happening.
Wouldn't he be able to get any taxes he paid back if they kick him out? It's either his house and he owes tax, or it isn't his house and he doesn't owe tax.
In any case, when it's a corporation being opportunistic, it's "capitalism". But when the little guy tries to get ahead...
He will not own the house, therefore will not be obligated to pay any taxes until he gains legal ownership after 3 years.
Some questions that are unanswered are: Who is the legal owner of the house. The original owner abandoned it but did the mortgage company foreclose on it before they went out of business? And when the mortgage company went out of business another company would have taken over the mortgages. So who and where are they? I think it's like the article said; the cost to the origial owner or the mortgage company that holds it now would would out weigh the value of the home.
So the property taxes would accrue for the 3 years. Wouldn't the state / town eventually take the house for unpaid taxes?
drbacon:
Apparently the home had been foreclosed by the servicer of the mortgage, (not the owner of the mortgage because that would technically be the Mortgage Backed Security) but the servicer of the mortgage itself went into liquidation bankruptcy. That means that the assets (those mortgages that it services) would be in the hands of a trustee in bankruptcy. The guy is probably taking advantage that the trustee probably doesn't have the resources to properly manage the assets. I agree with the other assertions that this person is probably a real estate agent or maybe someone who has access to the records for bankruptcies. You don't just stumble upon a house like this.
I agree. But who ever or what ever he is, he knows the law real well.
Another thing I wonder about is that the report stated that there was no electricity or water turned on at the house. I don't know about this particular area but in many parts of the country it is illegal to occupy a house without running water. I believe it's part of most county health laws.
They are angry because he did something smart? I don't see where the color of his skin is relevant.
What are they upset about? The price he paid or the color of his skin? I think it's both.
Don't you just hate those educated black folk? /heavy sarcasm
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