MUNCIE — Democrat Barack Obama on Saturday conceded that comments he made about bitter working class voters who "cling to guns or religion" were ill chosen, as he tried to stem a burst of complaints that he is condescending.
"I didn't say it as well as I should have," he said at Ball State University.
As he tried to quell the furor, presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton hit Obama with one of her lengthiest and most pointed criticisms to date.
"Senator Obama's remarks were elitist and out of touch," she said, campaigning about an hour away in Indianapolis. "They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans."
At issue are comments Obama made privately at a fundraiser in San Francisco last Sunday. He explained his troubles winning over working class voters, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions:
"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
The comments, posted on the Huffington Post political Web site Friday, set off a storm of criticism from Clinton, Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain and other GOP officials. It threatened to highlight an Obama weakness — the image that the Harvard-trained lawyer is arrogant and aloof.
His campaign scrambled to defuse possible damage caused with working class voters that Obama needs to win in upcoming primaries in Pennsylvania and Indiana.
There has been a small "political flare-up because I said something that everybody knows is true, which is that there are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my hometown in Illinois, who are bitter," Obama said Saturday morning at a town hall-style meeting at the university. "They are angry. They feel like they have been left behind. They feel like nobody is paying attention to what they're going through."
"So I said, well you know, when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on. So people, they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community. And they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country."
After acknowledging his previous remarks in California could have been better phrased, he added:
"The truth is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation, those are important. That's what sustains us. But what is absolutely true is that people don't feel like they are being listened to.
"And so they pray and they count on each other and they count on their families. You know this in your own lives, and what we need is a government that is actually paying attention.
Clinton attacked Obama's remarks much more harshly Saturday than she had the night before, calling them "demeaning." Her aides feel Obama has given them a big opening, pulling the spotlight away from more troubling stories such as former President Clinton's recent revisiting of his wife's misstatements about an airport landing in Bosnia 10 years ago.
Obama is trying to focus attention narrowly on his remarks, arguing there's no question that some working class families are anxious and bitter. The Clinton campaign is parsing every word, focusing on what Obama said about religion, guns, immigration and trade.
Clinton hit all those themes in lengthy comments to manufacturing workers in Indianapolis.
"I was raised with Midwestern values and an unshakable faith in America and its policies," she said. "Now, Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it's a matter of constitutional right. Americans who believe in God believe it's a matter of personal faith."
"I grew up in a churchgoing family ...," she continued. "The people of faith I know don't 'cling' to religion because they're bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich ...
"I also disagree with Senator Obama's assertion that people in this country 'cling to guns' and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration," she said.
"People don't need a president who looks down on them," she said. "They need a president who stands up for them."
One of Clinton's staunchest supporters, Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., acknowledged there was some truth in Obama's remarks. But Republicans would use them against him anyway, Bayh said.
"We do have economic hard times, and that does lead to a frustration and some justifiable anger, it's true," Bayh told reporters after introducing Clinton in Indianapolis. "But I think you're on dangerous ground when you morph that into suggesting that people's cultural values, whether it's religion or hunting and fishing or concern about trade, are premised solely upon those kinds of anxieties and don't have a legitimate foundation independent of that."
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Associated Press Writer Charles Babington contributed from Indianapolis.
I'll chosen? He admits that he wants to abolish the 2nd Amendment and take away personally owned firearms. He would prefer all sales of them be stopped. Obama was asked if he supports legislation to, "ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." His one-word answer—uncommonly direct and lacking the flowery eloquence we've come to expect from him—was "Yes."
In another interview with the Pittsburgh Tribune, Obama said "I am not in favor of concealed weapons." There is an inherent connection between the 2nd and 1st Amendment. Take one away and the other will follow. Civil rights and gun rights are joined at the hip!
He admits that he wants to abolish the 2nd Amendment and take away personally owned firearms
Can you please provide a direct quote or other evidence for that claim?
Thanks,
J
If these people with their guns and the second amendment were as adament and principled about the Constiutition, the rednecks, who never seem to care about imperial aggression, imperial occupation, police Gestapo laws, then I might have some respect for their deference to the Bill of rights or Constiutition. But it is so skewed and distorted, one cultural redneck principle, that one cannot take this criticism against Obama seriously, who correctly tags the working class as clueless, just as corrupted by class values, class parties, along with their own imperial racist values, as the mindless deformed middle class, that this correct observation needs a further clarification, and here it is for Obama. Obama needs to read this to win the Pennsylvania primary, and to take on the Corporate media superficial dogma about everything, except serious issues: Here is what I said earlier to another seed:
Nothing condescending about saying to these redneck communities, that they were suckers for following the Fuehrer, er I meant Commander in Chief, and that their parochial, backward outlook, has made them victims of their own ignorance. Many of these people are fundamental Christians, who yahooed their way into Iraq, who probably could not even find the country they were bombing on a map, but were willing to pick up a gun, instead of a newspaper, alternative press, or talk to anti war protestors, who they now agree in their majority, 80 percent who feel we are on the wrong course. Of course, they thought because Bush talked like an idiot, pretended to be lower class redneck, when in fact he had a silver spoon in his mouth, voted for the idiot, thinking he was one of them. It took 6 years to get the flags down, the redneck parochial know nothings to realize they were suckered into endless stop gap military drafts over seas, for the imperial thugs, war criminals. I just posted a way for Obama to link to these victimized parochials, who are victims of also Corporate fascism,
Nafta and our Empire support for fascist regimes, that embrace this corporate fascism, like Columbia's fasicst regime, death squads, and Hillary's Penn, who promote Nafta, death squads, fascism, criminal propaganda, that keep these redencks uninformed, misinformed. Obama needs to link an anti corporate fasicst agenda with an anti corporate imperial link to miliary fascism, to show the link between their mindless yahoo cheerleading, and the policies that screw them over royallly. Here it is:
http://www.counterpunch.org/kozloff04112008.html (copy and paste to address line if it doesn't work)
The gangs and criminals get their firearms from the Pawn Shops mainly. Is Oops Oops going to close the Pawn Shops in the USA.
This guy is out of touch.
or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community
Well, Senator Oops Oops, you take "consolation" from the Pastor Wright and the family that raised you.
What's wrong w/your statement? Everything.
Good going Obama. The guy from Illinois who speaks from the heart.
Nice to see him desperately trying to back the truck but just can't find reverse gear. Enjoy the fun while it lasts Hilary.
Huh? I mean, really, huh? The guy says bitter people tend to go in for guns and churches, which is obviously true, and in the context of government not listening to the people - nothing else - and you think he's trying to scupper the 2nd amendment?
Gore was certainly wise in not joining this campaign. The media have become a bunch of jackals. And apparently even carrion eaters like jackals have their camp followers.
The fact that Hillary is one of these is unsurprising. The rest of you, however ... I can't imagine what is going on in your heads.
Civil rights and gun rights are joined at the hip!
I'm not so sure.
One thing is for certain: gun rights and looney-tune rhetoric sure are joined at the hip. And it's a pity because the Second Amendment deserves the same respect as the First. Your comment shows why the Second Amendment gets an undeserved bad rap.
I can't imagine what is going on in your heads.
Well, to me is very funny to read about the thin skin in politics of the lsota/Dems/socialists/et al.
Our country is going down the toilet faster than in 1929, and you're laughing?
I'm sorry, I still don't understand what's going on in your head. Don't you give a damn?
I'm really amazed to see people rather have their feelings and concerns about the state of our economy, our families, high food prices, high cost of fuel, job losses, expensive health care, credit crisis we're experiencing and the sinking dollar sugar coated. Seriously, what are you people afraid of, the truth? We're all experiencing some sort of bitterness and frustration. And throughout parts of the country people are finding different things to cling like changing or leaving religion groups all together, getting close to their families and love ones, having discussions about illegals and immigrants, gun laws etc... It's time we stop living in la-la or dream land and we face what we're up against- hard times. Yes these issues he mention are important but theirs a bigger problem brewing. And having a candidate paint a picture like everything is going to be hunky-dory when they get in office is not going to solve our problems today or in the future. That's exactly what the current administration did - Gave us false hope after 9/11, infused the growth of our economy credit spending unlike anything we've ever seen before all while the rug, the carpet and the hardwood floors were being pulled from under us. Well now it's time to pay the piper and people across the country are wondering how the hell they are going to be able to pay for the bare the necessities for their families when prices are going but their salaries aren't, or when they don't have job and the only thing they have is the credit which is almost max out.
Obama spoke the truth about the people of PA are experiencing and about both parties and I wish he not retracted his comment. And the major networks should get off their lazy asses and get out in the streets PA and across the country to report and interview people there about how they really feel about the state of our economy, instead of analyzing his the other candidates reactions and taking his comment out of complete context. They will see people are bitter & frustrated.
Well, try the Carter Administration and we survived.
When there is manure maybe there is a pony hidden behind the bushes.
determined0a1, you sound a little bitter ...
I'd say a bitter terrorist.
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Let's all take a deep breath, now...
Hillary Clinton will do anything to become President of this country and it baffles me as to how she can criticize anyone when she and her husband have amassed a fortune in less than 6 years. The irony is that if anyone epitomizes elitism it is the Clinton dynasty. I am offended that she has the unmitigated gall to claim allegiance to working poor and those on the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder......anything to become President without equivocation. It is sad..........
What's wrong with amassing a fortune? The Clintons earned it. They wrote book, the people bought. They gave speeches, etc.
Whats wrong with it? Well try considering the bias it creates while they are in office and recognize it as a payback for considerations given by an elected official. Take a look at everything George W. Bush (+ Cheney,,,) has done over the last seven plus years and you will see how he is now set to become extremely wealthy, very quickly, even passing Clinton. That is where you can start in determining what is wrong with it and then ask where does the average Americans interest fit in that equation?
Well, The Dems could back Governor Richardson but he wasn't the gold mine of Oops and Evita.
Again, the Clintons wrote books that free people were willing to spend their money on.
Bill Clinton gave speeches to groups that were freely willing to pay for those speeches.
Would you be happier if the Clintons were broke?
Oh, please. Evita is doing the same than Oops Oops "selling themselves and their rotten manure".
Hillary is not different than Obama while the incoming money is good.
Oops Oops forgot that the religious and red necks also vote. Too bad for the "scripted" candidate that he fails so badly.
I think part of the problem is that a lot of the "payments" he got for his speeches were from not so great countries and shady people for insane amounts of money. I know at least one country in eastern europe, one in the middle east and one in south america. And there is probably more. Who knows what these payments were actually for. And this doesn't even count that they haven't revealed the donations made to his library.
Money for speeches is just how they launder dirty money!
There is absolutely no problem with the Clintons making money...and lots of it. The problem comes when they try to call Obama an elitist. Kind of hard for the working class Joe to closely associate with a couple that drug in $109 mil in the past few years.
The ol' saying that comes to mind is: That's the pot calling the kettle black.
K-stanz you are right. Clinton calling Obama elitist is like a certain pot-and-kettle analogy.
The sad thing is that Obama is right, at least to a certain degree. There is a portion of the population who does get angry but then they focus that anger or bitterness in the wrong way. Your factory gets shut down and moves out to Mexico so its the Mexicans fault. it does happen, and its not hard to see the fact that that kind of descrimination and ignorance does exist in the middle and lower class. Just as there is a certain form of ignorance in the upper class. In this case it's the "well, i'm doing fine, so they should all shut up" which is what a lot of the powerful in this country want.
Obama hit on something that was true, and McCain and Clinton (who are very much old-guard politicians) want you to hate him for pointing out that there are real problems within society itself. I am still unsure if I'll vote at all -simply because I realize that my vote doesn't count (thanks George W. Bush) but at least Obama is saying provocative things.
Should they be angry that illegal aliens are pushing down wages or taking their jobs?
Should they be angry that illegal aliens are pushing down wages or taking their jobs?
I've never lost a job to an illegal immigrant. I'm pretty sure I worked alongside some at a golf course from 3AM to 11AM when I was 22, though. The job sucked, and I quit within two weeks.
I'm pretty sure I also made more than them starting than they made after having worked there for over a year.
The Senator Obama is not well "seasoned" well to become our President. He started to make mistakes and he hasn't back or said sorry.
Well, Evita says stories but she is not stupid to put her foot in her mouth attacking the red necks or people of faith.
And about McCain......he is not getting enough money that can afford to be so full of himself like Oops Oops.
Brian,
We weren't discussing you. Illegals have no right to take jobs from American or depress wages. Wages in construction, home painting, meat packing all have gone down due to illegal immigration. The illegal immigrant is scab labor and beneficiary is the factory owner.
Illegals have no right to take jobs from American or depress wages.
The workers have "no right" to do it, but they aren't doing anything of the sort. The entire problem is with the employers who choose to fire Americans and break the law by hiring undocumented workers at lower wages.
If you think Illegals have no right to take jobs... thus implicitly saying US workers have the right to keep the job, then perhaps you should support a party that wants to make worker rights stronger.
LOLOLOL
the illegal alliens?
how about the legal ones..
see if you a big enough company you don't have to worry about the $2/hr mexicans
as you can hirer 50cent and hour chinese/indians and other opressed people throughout the world
I am sooooo amazed that you guys observe are sooo concerned about illegals taking our jobs but have no problems with the big companies sending our jobs over seas.
ISnt there a bit of hypocracy here?
Plenty of mexicans are working for us companies IN MEXICO. Whys houldnt those jobs be offered to the people in penn who saw their jobs sold to the chinese?
You know there was a texan? senator (could have been another border state with mexico) that voted against a law to make sure that immigrants got paid the same as americans. Sorry I can't remember the details, that is not the point I'm getting at. The law was to try and encourage people to use american labor because they wouldn't save money by hiring immigrants. The senator voted it down because he didn't think that businesses should be penalized and forced to pay more for immigrant workers. When asked about it to the side what he meant, he said that many businesses will still hire immigrants even when the money is the same because they work harder. That may be the his opinion, but I think it is definitely a perception. The illegal immigrant issue is not so simple as "they are taking our jobs" "send them back" and all that.
I've lived in central PA for years and his remarks were 100% on the money.
Which of the remarks were favorable to Oops Oops. They weren't diplomtic at all. He (Oops Oops) is the one that sounded bitter because Evita is making a dent to his campaign.
Harris from the Post:
I have a friend who lives on a farm in rural Ohio. They all were yahoos in the run up to the war, but after persistant, patient long term explanations, some of these rednecks, what determined01 calls "OOps", applies to these idiots who went over to Iraq, and nearly 70 percent thought Iraq had attacked us. Now they realize they were snookered by their own ignorance, racism, including the corporate press, that warmongered us into the biggest oops of them all, deliberately, hence translated into YAHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Thanks, Harris. Your comment is the best one on this post. You've got the insider's angle on this question and you know what you are talking about.
I will add my brief 2 cents:
Senator Obama's remark was impolitic and completely accurate. Americans expect euphemisms and lies from their politicians. When one (accidentally?) tells an uncomfortable truth people get all bent out of shape. Most people are very uncomfortable with the truth and we hear hordes of hypocrites who start screaming, wailing and and accusing the instant the truth makes a rare appearance.
Eric,
FYI = Senator Oops Oops is B. Obama. It comes with the territory.
Republicans put on w/the ridicules, comments and nicknames during their Presidents and V.Ps. were in power or candidates.
Something unusual and hard to explain is occurring on the national political scene. There appears to be a concentrated effort by two of the three major candidates to fault and attack the one. That may just be a compliment demonstrating that the two candidates respect and fear the other candidate’s potential, yet it could be more. I’ve observed that not only the two candidates but also some significant power behind the scene is involved, including with a lot of the reporting. There seems to be substantial effort, frequently creative and questionable, to aggressively fault everything about Barack Obama and then not just by Clinton and McCain; I have even experienced a selectivity regarding which postings are passed through. One explanation I’ve heard offered is that the Obama-Clinton conflict is paying dividends for the Republicans and for the media and they therefore strongly desire to keep it high-pitched. But then that doesn’t explain all of the attention that is concentrated on Obama. I’m sure some of that is happening as everyone simply likes a good fight and a good story but additionally, I sense there is more to it. When logically and objectively considering the differences between the candidates, I recognize that Obama is significantly contrasted to the other two. Simply said, Clinton and McCain are products of, embedded in, indebted to and advocates of ‘Washington as usual’ with all that entails. On the other hand, Obama not only advocates real change but he literally exemplifies change in everything about him and in his campaign. Now could that be something that really scares the other two candidates and also some powerful others who just don’t want change?
Being a candidate for the Presidency and be President is fair game. Others candidates and former Presidents like GWB had and have to go through the same. It comes with the territory.
As to his mention of the word "religion," he might have been trying to call out the 2004 election, where righteous indignation was stirred and channeled by Bush's team to carry him into another term. Regardless, that one word is going to fuel the GOP for a while. It now makes Obama an agnostic elitist -- the kind of straw man the GOP desperately needs.
Was Obama really commenting on his own experience with his own church?
Mr. Ben, I'd like to think that if the local factory were moved to Mexico, townsfolk would be angry at our own government and the free market that has manipulated it to export and import just the right things to keep the big corporations on the top of the food chain. I think on a basic level the typical middle class worker could distinguish this from Mexicans sneaking across the border.
Neither candidate is "one of them." Let's face the facts. How many Americans are top Ivy leaguers? The ability to identify and lead cross-culturally, cross-economically, and inter-governmentally is the kind of leader we need.
I don't care where people came from. What matters is where they are.
Amen that.
While a lot of people talk about how the president should be "one of us," I disagree. Frankly, it is very important to me that the person who is the president to be smarter than am I. I sure as hell don't feel that way at the moment.
- J
GWB came straight from the Ivy Leagues. The rest is history.
GWB is an idiot with good interpersonal skills.
Being able to get through school does nothing for you if you are not a curious person. Bush is not curious. and the analogy that his administration has used for his is that of a pillow... he takes on the opinion of the laster person to talk with him.
What's that sound? ... Do you hear that? Oh, yes, it's the sound of Barack Obama as he comes tumbling to the ground from his lofty high tower...
Well, Oops Oops should wear his seat belt tightly because becoming a candidate/nominee he has to go through the political process to be analyzed and criticized in every move.
Well, Oops Oops should wear his seat belt tightly because becoming a candidate/nominee he has to go through the political process to be analyzed and criticized in every move.
No Duh Mcgruff. And you're doing a damn fine job of sniffing his rear-end for sh#t!
Ill phrased or not, his statements hold more than a kernel of truth. TheObserver says: Should they be angry that illegal aliens are pushing down wages or taking their jobs? I say, "NO". One, because the likelihood that an illegal alien has taken a well paying job from you is slim. Let's face the facts, illegal aliens typically work jobs Americans no longer want—low paying, strenuous, service related jobs that most Americans, even the working class, prefer to work above. Two, because most of the lost jobs are lost to foreign countries, in efforts for globalization, and seeking larger profits, corporations move the jobs from the United States elsewhere. So the individuals with those jobs are not illegal, and yes they will work for less than you, because that less is still far more in those countries.
American's are growing bitter, and we do blame others, often irrationally. But the fact is, if a corporation or even just one random supervisor takes your job and gives it to someone who's willing to work the same or harder for less, then the problem is generally with the corporation/supervisor or you; not the individual willing to work for less.
I can honestly state, if I were unemployed, I'd be unwilling to take a job that pays $10/hr or less; so why should I blame someone who is. If I was about to become homeless than my attitude would probably change, but typically speaking, if I had to start seeking employment my goal would be to match or improve my current lifestyle. I could be wrong, but I'm betting you can assign the same attitude to workers, willing to accept jobs at $5 or $10/hr. Those jobs will sustain or improve their current lifestyle.
But, that said, I'm honesty with myself about me. I want the things I want. The ability to buy books, DVDs, music, software, tech toys, new computers ever few years, eating out, etc. My living expenses are less than most of my friends, due to no debt, no car, and just rent as a primary concern. But, I acknowledge that those things aren't needs. They aren't essential to my staying alive, just to my mental well-being. They aren't guaranteed by god, the constitution, family or even my employer (which is often me). So my unwillingness to accept a wage $10/hr or below is all about me, and has nothing to do with any individual who will accept a $10/hr wage and accept it as necessary or even an improvement to their situation.
So blame yourself and your wants, needs, and ill-plan debts. SO blame the corporations who attempt to squeeze higher and higher profits by cutting jobs, trimming expenses, so their executives get paid well, and their stock stays high. Blame god, your college, your skills, or even your parents for not placing you in a position were you could be one of those executives or own some of that high rising stock. Blame your purchase patterns, for thinking computers, electronics and other devices should cost less than $100, which keeps numerous corporation in seeking patterns to find locations where wages can be lower, ad lower, and lower. But can you really blame some one willing to accept what you wouldn't.
and seeking larger profits, corporations move the jobs from the United States elsewhere
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Why not the imposing of higher restrictions in the industries? The pharmaceuticals are moving out of Puerto Rico, for example.
The silver lining is that taking some factories to foreign countries keep their people earning their daily bread and not overcharging our country. How much more can we stretch for everybody in the world?
"TheObserver says: Should they be angry that illegal aliens are pushing down wages or taking their jobs? I say, "NO". One, because the likelihood that an illegal alien has taken a well paying job from you is slim. Let's face the facts"
I know a guy who has a painting business. He is losing business to companies that hire illegal immigrants. House painting is not a minimum wage job. Neither is construction, where greedy corporations hire illegals to do dry walling, etc.
I know a guy who has a painting business. He is losing business to companies that hire illegal immigrants. House painting is not a minimum wage job. Neither is construction, where greedy corporations hire illegals to do dry walling, etc.
You're not thinking this one through, Observer. Sure, the white men running those painting companies are making big bucks. But do you think they're paying illegal immigrants the going rate for house painters? Think again. If those cats are illegal, their American bosses can pay them squat and get away with it. You're not really so naive to believe that the minimum wage law (as lousy as it is) applies to non-Americans, are you? So there we have it. Divide and conquer. And you've taken the bait. Instead of being angry at the corporations, you're angry at people who want to feed their families and pay their rent--just like anyone else.
Why aren't you up in arms about the corporations who run sweat shops overseas, employing children at hourly rates you couldn't buy a postage stamp with?
Until you get past the "us versus them" mentality and focus your righteous rage on the fat cats who inhabit the top 2% of the country NOT because THEY work hard but because they're basically running a slave trade both in America and abroad, you'll never understand the real deal.
Now why don't you live up to your moniker? You're not a dumb man, Observer. All you need is a better prescription from that guy who makes your glasses.
Excellent, Rebecca.
I really hope people listen to your advice.
Thanks, Youssef.
:-)
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."--George Orwell
Obama hit the nail on the head, as others here have already pointed out. The current powers-that-be love nothing more than to manipulate the redneck (my words, not Obama's) segment of American society by convincing them that their guns, their religion and even their jobs are in jeopardy--and who's to blame? The Other. In this skewed "ideology," the Other might be the African-American, the Mexican or the Iraqi. I'm sure we can come up with a few more. Yikes! Let's blame the victim, shall we?
Nifty argument. Besides taking the heat off the true criminal elite, this type of insidious propaganda serves to divide and conquer. If you're ignorant enough to believe that the Mexican guy shoveling sh*t for sub-par wages is taking away a job you REALLY REALLY want, then you won't bother asking the government hard-hitting questions. And if you're dumb and vicious enough to want to protect that arsenal of firearms you have stashed in your garage (after all, you may need them if one of those Others becomes President), then that elite has you exactly where they want you.
By the way, the Second Amendment is one of those antiquated pieces of legislation that made sense when it was introduced but has lost its relevance in contemporary society. You never hear these 2nd Amendment nuts complaining about all the other amendments that have been trashed under the Bush administration--amendments that are much more critical to a thriving democracy than the right to own a gun.
As for Hillary pouncing on Obama's remarks? What can I say? She's a privileged, wealthy white woman who wouldn't use an outhouse if she had to. And I'm pretty sure you won't find her rubbing elbows with the NASCAR set.
Excellent, Rebecca, the distorted ideologies of the powerful, keeps dividing the middle and working classes, who victimize themselves through their own ignorance, racism.
Rebecca,
Senator Oops Oops is full of good intentions but.....unfortunately the politicians can't deliver, specially having the lazy Congress that we have.
Money, money and money is the main business of politicians now.
Money, money and money is the main business of politicians now.
Yep, det. You got that right!
How sad, Rebecca.
I remember when I was growing up in Cuba how my family admired the Public Schools and that Presidents even attended. Money came to be a big factor and is destroying one of the greatest assests that we had in our country.
First of all, some of you should ease up on people that have done more good for this party than any of your first time ever voters have or will have ever done. Hillary Clinton is a fine and respectable woman, who has done more for education and health care for children than any of you know. I have a challenge for any of you with the gonzo's to check out www.hillaryclinton.com and watch the video called "The Hillary I Know" You won't because you are so lemming minded that I doubt if any of you have ever had an original thought of your own. Hillary Clinton is a very fine and internationally respected woman and outstanding leader. She listens and acts. No point in even trying to talk common sense with some of you dunder heads, who I doubt have ever had to worry about mortgages, child rearing. I know that shoe does not fit all of you, but quit trying to pretend you are democrats, when everything you say is out of the republican play book. No one is saying that Obama should quit. No, Hillary will box his ears before she gets him to holler "Uncle" Whoops!
Oh, please.
I can open a website and go step by step in a video how to perform brain surgery.
Come on. However, I rather if it's written that a Dem is President that Evita is chosen/choosen because she has more experience than Oops Oops.
If I was filthy rich and had to give tons of money to charity for the tax breaks I would make sure it was a worthy cause too.
I don't know if I am the exception, but I was a staunch Hillary supporter because of the things she had done in the past. She was the first major player I ever heard of that pushed for long-term medical and insurance rights for the mentally ill. I still operate on the "It takes a village" theory. However, history teaches us that any gov't mandate eventually spirals out of control, financially. How is it that places like France and Canada have free universal health care and all the candidates still propose to squeeze more money from our budgets when some of us are making decisions to either buy gas or food, but not both?
At any rate, i was a huge Hillary fan and take offense to the idea that I have no brain. I didn't drop her..she dropped me. She decided to take the low road in a time when character and role models are sorely needed in this country. She preached against hope. She knows how well documented her history is, and yet she insults us by making excuses for her failures or lying about them instead of representing the values we try and teach our kids - to own up to them and move on. She does have a great history of helping people, but this history is coupled with some serious character deficiencies.
If she is the nominee then I'd love to be up front waving a Hillary sign. Unfortunately for her at this point, there's an alternative that is a better choice. I've only heard of one perfect being that's ever walked the earth, but the morally adjusted folks here still strive towards all things that are right. I'll admit that Obama's argument about the war gets on my nerves. Most of us wanted the same thing but hindsight allows us to denounce it. Most of us were in the mindset to squash anything that threatened our security. I am a decorated war vet who served in the Middle East. I didn't go to kill anyone. I went to save my family.
And so I don't know how many of us will be satisfied with either candidate. The bottom line is that she can be a better president than we've had in a long time, and Obama can be even better. I respect McCain, but he'll never be a presidential candidate I'd support. Most of the candidates had redeeming qualities, but as far as the total package, my choice is easy.
"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
This is an incomplete thought. What was he referring to that was 'not surprising'?
"I didn't say it as well as I should have," he said.
Yeah, well....he got that part right.
Yeah, well....he got that part right
Was he reading his speech?
Well, next time Oops Oops should check the meaning of every word that someone writes or he writes before "delivering".
I don't read the Tarot, I don't read crystal balls or the Palm.
This idiot Obama is reminding me of when Serena Williams loses a tennis match. It's never that she got out-played. It's always that she wasn't up to her best.
Well, Serena, only the mediocre are always at their best. And how many times have you beaten an opponent who wasn't at her best that day?
Barry Hussein Obama, I always knew that you were a jackass, and now you've opened your mouth enough times to draw attention to that fact.
This idiot Obama is reminding me
Well, you are obviously a much smarter guy than Obama. Just look how well you express yourself.
This idiot Obama is reminding me of when Serena Williams loses a tennis match. It's never that she got out-played. It's always that she wasn't up to her best.
Well, Serena, only the mediocre are always at their best. And how many times have you beaten an opponent who wasn't at her best that day?
Barry Hussein Obama, I always knew that you were a jackass, and now you've opened your mouth enough times to draw attention to that fact.
Newsvine doesn't handout jackass rewards for making jackass comments.
Jackass??
Nicely understated, Brant.
I don't think obama was wrong, when he said that we either cling to guns or religion. He should not be
apologetic, unless his getting votes is greater then one's principles.
Whatever. People can vote stupidly, or vote smartly. In the meantime, here's the truth:
- nearly 10 percent of Americans are resorting to food stamps to maintain an adequate diet
- 4 in every 10 American children are growing up in families that are poor or near-poor
Compare this to FDR's remarks in his 1937 inaugural:
I see one-third of a nation ill-housed, ill-clad, ill-nourished.... that picture for you.... and we will never regard any faithful law-abiding group within our borders as superfluous. The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.
(Just a quick reminder - 4 out of ten is bigger than a third)
Folks, it's been a long, long time since we've had a probem as big as today's - and leadership as accountable and responsible as FDR.
PH,
You know that it will help if many learn how to cook, you can get 10/12 thighs for about $2 in the market, they make a very good soup and shredded a nice Arroz con Pollo.
He explained his troubles winning over working class voters, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions:
"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
It's too bad he has to "explain" himself. I think he's right. Too many people choose a candidate based on one issue. If I disagreed with any candidate on ALL of the issues he's listed here, I wouldn't support said candidate; but many people in my small community vote solely on one issue, be it guns or abortion or some other relatively minor issue that is blown out of proportion.
-Rob
That is how the Neo-cons want it. Wedge issues make people vote stupidly.
That is how the Neo-cons want it. Wedge issues make people vote stupidly
Do you still believe in politicians?
After they grab the votes and power = Bye bye and fend your own problems, I will see you in 4 years = Politicians are sold to whose that paid money to elect them. This is solely my perception after watching promises and promises gone to the wind in our Congress.
This is why I am a conservative, a Republican and haven't given even $0.01 for electing a true hero.
"vote solely on one issue, be it guns " Are you saying that the second amendment is a minor issue?????
Yes.
You know, Japan decided against invading the west coast of the U.S. during WW2 because of all the "rednecks" with guns.
Yes, I've been aware of this theory.
Guns and abortion are minor issues because no politician really wants to deal with them, and the rhetoric surrounding them is neither new nor original.
Abortion is primarily religion, and most politicians would prefer it be a dead issue (pun not intended). Sure politicians put forth bills, but this is more so they can appease their constituents than to actually accomplish anything. The only real issue with abortion at this point is wether partial-birth abortion should be legal. Oddly, if someone would put forth a bill that said only, "Partial-birth abortion is not legal," it would probably pass fairly quickly. Unfortunately, all bills dealing with this issue have added language or riders that make them undesirable.
Gun control is a minor issue because guns are extremely well protected by the second amendment as well as the NRP and by people like you, rokdog. No major legislation controling guns is going to pass without an endless debate and outcry, no matter who the President is.
When not bogged down by these wedge issues, candidates sometimes try to discuss the pressing issues of real debate:
-What are we going to do in Iraq? We can't leave immediately, but we can't stay endlessly.
-How are we going to address the education crisis? A 50% dropout rate, holy @!$%#!
-How should we deal with the credit crisis that our government helped to make by encouraging debt spending?
-How will we deal with rising gas prices and inflation?
-If we cut taxes, where should we cut them? If we raise taxes, who should pay more? Why?
-How can we keep a healthy middle class while helping the poor and not ignoring the wealthy?
These are SOME of the real issues. The debate on these issues is living and changing daily, unlike abortion and gun control. No one, yet, has a real solution that we know will solve the problems surrounding them. These are issues that are effecting every American. These are the active issues with problems we need to start addressing.
I personally believe that to keep debate healthy and to ensure real checks and balances, we need a "grid-locked" government. I will probably vote for a democrat for President and hope Congress goes to the republicans.
-Rob
as well as the NRP
I'm pretty sure I meant the NRHA.
He shouldn't appologise..a nd mccain and clinton should if they think economics downturn hasn't hit dperssed areas for a good couple decades and those jobs are not coming back and towns die off looking like crap with empty businesses everywhere. factories rotting away.
Arogant for stating the truth?? that every 4 years politicians roll through there and promiss to change their lives for th better and then it never happens.
heck I am bitter.
OOPS !!
Sen. Obama got caught telling the true facts !!
Hillary and Mccain should try the same thing !!
I am not surprised that Hillary and John 100 yrs. Mccain do not practice Honesty there game is lie and make it sound as bad as we can !!
I think Obama is starting to feel the pressure of the media and politics. Most of america, including people that support him or just everyday persons probably agree with him or understand what he is getting at a lot of the times. It is the media and his political opponents and their supporters that are going to take anything he says and try and blow it out of proportion, spin it or sensationalize it for ratings.
Almost every issue he has encountered I have seen as a huge deal to the media and his opponents(their supporters), yet not such a huge deal for the everyday person in my area and online (in non-political forums).
Obama knows how the game is played. The remark was stupid.
Just stifle the criticism of any persons and/or particular segment of American society and tell the All the People where you stand on the bread and butter issues. That's what they're interested in.
If Hillary attacks, let her attack. Talk past her. The quality of personal character will become evident from the proposed ends and means of the agenda.
(McCain can always be dealt with later. The heavy artillery on his political positions, past performance and peccadilloes haven’t even been brought to bear yet. It’s best to keep them in reserve until the Big Push.)
All the rest is clap-trap for political enemies, the deranged fools of rightwing hate-radio and the cable TV talking heads.
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You are right Greenpagan
Well, given what we all know now, he would of tried to convey his point differently.
But, I think what he is saying is essentially true. I expect the Republican machine to exploit and distort the truth. The Republican machine has proven that they are capable and willing to lie, cheat and kill to keep power. I am disappointed with Clinton, however, and how low she has demonstrated that she is willing to go to keep power. I lose respect for her daily.
But isn't this really the point Obama is making? Politicians on both sides of the isle have been exploiting voters by addressing their message to core beliefs and values of the voter. Yet, this does not seem to result in any tangible benefit to the voter. Voters are voting against their own interests based on a myth presented to them. Obama is trying to point this out. Look at what past politicians have promised, and look at the result now. Voters need to go past simple messages that exploit fears and resentments.
The 100 years was distorted by Oops Oops and his supporters.
BTW - We need the second ammendment. We do not want the only people with guns - power - to be the state. Economic disparity and lack of opportuity is dangerous. Gun voilence reflects this more than anything else. It is no time to take guns away from citizens when there is Black Water and a police state brewing. The second ammendment was designed to keep power within the grasps of the people.
That's great, Clinton. After the seemingly endless lies, gaffes and various contreverseys surrounding your campaign Obama has completely left you alone and not said a single word to drag you down. So, the moment Obama says something that could be misconstrued as a gaffe? You attack his comments in every way that could be possibly accepted by people as valid, attempt to drag him down as much as possible for every inch that it's worth, all for the sake of making yourself look better and helping your own campaign chug along. You haven't learned anything from this campaign season, have you?
Heaven forbid that a politician say something that insults a few people. I think there's a significantly larger proportion that agrees with what he says but that won't stop the Clinton machine from behaving as if what he said was inherently wrong.
Now for a quick word about the right to bear arms:
I wish that you angry, gun-toting Americans really would ban hand guns. The people that scream owning a gun is an inalienable human right are on the level of stupidity that makes it unacceptable to let them anywhere near a firearm. Seriously, a group of bitter, white men who think that it's OK to capture people as slaves and not even let women of their own race vote are not capable of making a document that details perfect ground rules for a society. The second amendment was there so that citizens could own a gun to protect yourself against the governing state, should the governing state become evil. Your governing state has become evil, as evidenced by it's approval of torture and disregard for habeas corpus. Unfortunately it's the people that shout and scream and stomp their feet in affirmation of the second amendment and their right to own a gun that also cling to the idea that you should stay loyal to the "God Bless America" state, no matter what. So if you're going to stay patriotic despite how evil the governing body becomes and how much they oppress you, the second amendment becomes redundant. You don't need it if you're not going to fight against a governing body that wasn't elected by the popular vote and commits atrocities against human kind.
So when a politician comes along and says something to the effect of - "ya know, seeing so many innocent people are killed in senseless gun deaths, maybe we should restrict access to guns, because in other places in the world where gun access is restricted, people don't die this way" - he's not trampling on the second amendment. He's just trying to protect citizens the in a similar way and by the same motive that the constitution itself was designed to protect them.
He's just trying to protect citizens the in a similar way and by the same motive that the constitution itself was designed to protect them.
Oh, please, it's 10:14 p.m. to read the good faith of the politicians. Saint Oops Oops sounds very good.
Furthermore, show me the Senator Obama going w/the police and disarmed the gangs in this country.
The key is to go to the bottom of the pit and the pit are in many places where the poor live.
Do you want to try and read that statement again? It seems to me that you were so hasty to respond to someone that calls into question the right to bear arms, that you never even bothered to read the basis of the arguments that you wanted to refute.
Seriously, a group of bitter, white men who think that it's OK to capture people as slaves and not even let women of their own race vote are not capable of making a document that details perfect ground rules for a society.
I suppose I could have been more clear here. It's just that I thought that seeing we were discussion the constitution that when I say "document that details perfect ground rules for a society" you'd be able to comprehend that I'm talking about the constitution. Hence, the people that made that document are not alive today. Did you write any part of the constitution or second amendment, rokdog13? Unless you did, you can ease up because I'm not calling you or anyone alive today a slaver, a racist or a misogynist. It's just that abolishing slavery didn't come until the thirteenth amendment and saying it's OK for women to vote didn't come until the nineteenth, far further along in history. People that wrote the second amendment didn't recognize a women's vote and they owned slaves. My point here is that if the constitution needs these constant amendments, that means that it's not perfect. If they were wrong about these very serious social issues then why should we believe that what they believed about gun ownership is universally valid throughout every point in the rest of history?
As for the rest of your little rant - what exactly is the correlation between questioning whether or not unrestricted gun ownership is such a hot idea, and the fact that the US plays world police? One point is about citizens that have weapons, the other is about the military that goes around the world. Even if I agreed that US military intervention is what's good for the rest of the world (I don't - much the time it isn't and it's purely about the US protecting it's own interests and not helping anyone else but itself), how is that supposed to undercut my point, and Obama's, that gun violence in the US is something that legislation could help out with a lot.
I have no qualms in saying that my posts contain hate, sir, for I find the idea of citizens senselessly killing each other with weapons that they're allowed to have due to an archaic law disgusting. Do not call me ignorant again. Before you argue that my calling those who believe that gun ownership is an inalienable right stupid was equally out of line - I suggest you look up what an inalienable right is.
rokdog13:
we circle the wagons
Would you please do this "next time" rather than invading and trying unsuccessfully to occupy countries in Asia? This is turning into a bad habit. Thank you.
Also:
its huge immigration problem
I mow my own lawn. Do you? Do your neighbors?
Finally:
European Moslem communities are the most enlightened, best educated and best gender integrated Moslem communities in the world. They are making major contributions to the demographic stability and economic welfare of their countries. They are welcomed by all Europeans who haven't been drinking US manufactured, toxic Kool-Aid. Like morons.
Now, you can run along and dig up some examples of terrorism, religious insanity, arson and criminality that reflect the problems of 0.000001% of those European Moslems. I could, but I wouldn't waste my time, dig up a few stories about people with dark complexions and / or Spanish as their native language in the United States. And paint you with the same brush. But that would be stupid and unfair.
Obama hasn't helped his case much by claiming he was only saying what 'everyone knows- that there are many bitter people in small towns/rural areas.'
I think Obama's frame of reference is nothing more than standard Democrat beliefs. Everything he's said on this matter has been droned on for many years by the Democrat base right up through Democrat professional pundits, and Democrat politicians in safe districts. His First take was the more honest one.
We agree for the first time.
He was, quite simply, telling the truth the first time around.
Judging by the reaction he got from the audience, I'd say his comments were on target and on message. People do feel this way. It's not condescending at all, it's honest. He ought to stick to what he said and not retract it.
Judging by the reaction he got from the audience, I'd say his comments were on target and on message
Those comments were given in San Francisco, nowhere close to the views of most of the population of the US.
He didn't retract it, he merely pointed out that he didn't word it very well. This is wrong but he only said this out of the assumption that people weren't jumping on him for the sake of jumping on him. Given that he did assume their objections to the comment was valid, it logically follows that it was his wording that was flawed. The essence of the comment has not bee rejected though.
He didn't retract it, he merely pointed out that he didn't word it very well
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Well, this is why I nicknamed the Senator Obama Oops Oops, he talks and later has to explain.
Imagine if he says something, means different when dealing the real troubles in this country with foreigners.
If we assume that these sorts of comments are a harbinger to what more tangible issues that a President has to deal with, will be like. OK then. Your call. I guess in that case Obama will say something, a portion of those he he's referring to or are involved in it will raise their arms up about it. Obama in turn will further clarify his position. They will either accept that or still begrudge him for it. This is a matter of fact of being a President - there has not been a president to date that hasn't said or done something to upset real troubles. This is because the types of choices a President has to make are really a damned-if-you-do damned-if-you-dont choices. The only way a President could not upset a single person when dealing with real troubles is to say and do absolutely nothing. This is obviously the worst option of all. So there's how it's going to play out with your so-called "Senator Oops Oops"
I'm not going to let you off the hook there, though, determined0a1. You believe you made an apt analogy based on this incident. I am going to hold you to it.
So now imagine what McCain be like when "dealing the real troubles in this country with foreigners", given his current jocular attitude towards the death of thousands ("...bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran, heh"), or his rather surprising ignorance of key issues in foreign policy (consistently confusing Al-Qaeda, Shiites and Sunnis - among other things). Comparatively, Obama's so called mistake looks far less damning, don't you think?
Or perhaps, determined0a1, you are a Hillary Clinton supporter. Remember, you are saying that campaign gaffes are analogous to "dealing the real troubles in this country with foreigners." In that case, what will it be like when she is caught telling blatant, whopper lies? What happens when it seems that she's being an outright phony? What will it be like when instead of aiming for diplomacy she spends all her energy on dragging down and demeaning her opponents? That's just to name a few of her flaws.
Assuming your analogy makes any sense at all, then I'll take Obama a thousand times more than I'd take Clinton, not to mention McCain.
If you don't support any of the three candidates then I do see your point, determined0a1. Unfortunately there are no perfect people, therefore there are no perfect Presidents. It seems Obama is the best option America has had in generations though, so try and stay positive.
Wait a minute, please.
I don't feel the same passion that Oops Oops is bringing to you and others.
This is a free country and I was born in one that communism took over. Therefore, I cheer and humble besides honored to call myself an American that love freedom.
I call the Senator Obama Oops Oops because I don't harm anyone with it, I called him before Petronio because if you Google, Petronio is the equal to elegance and don't tell me that the Senator dresses in K-Mart.
I am not a supporter of Obama, I am not a supporter of Hillary and I abstein with the nominee of my own party.
Please, don't "push" me that to vote for Tut.
You have your pov and I have mine. I don't have to think like everybody else and I am not worry if Obama is President, with the lazy Congress that we have he can't socialize this country.
SIr, I'm not trying to "push" you into voting for anyone. I was merely pointing out that you might want to think carefully about making the sort of analogy you did, as there is a logical flaw to it.
As an aside, I understand that you're bitter about left wing policies because of the harshness of what you're homeland has gone through but that doesn't mean Democrats are like certain evil Communist parties around the world. Bear in mind you don't need to take the furthest extreme from communism to reach an ideal answer for how an ideal society is structured, just one that is contrary to it. This leaves room for a plethora of left-wing politics without having to be likened to communism.
Posted to Salon.com
Obama's Dialectic
Obama's wordy approach to cover his ass won't be read by many. It's a long introverted attempt to get his point across. It's an explanation by a guy who says he has an approach to fix the damage to the working class. I'm also a working class Irish guy who made $62,000 when I worked for the government as a hard working bureaucrat for 24 years (three in the U.S. Army, including a stint in South Korea in 65-66; volunteered for Vietnam (all the time as a grunt); badly and permanently wounded in Vietnam; one year in hospitals; 70% permanently disabled. PTSD much of it.
My basic view is best stated in "Lions To Lambs:" the rich always find ways to avoid war. It's b.s. for Obama to stereotype blue collar folks as ONLY bitter, with antipathy, anti-immigrant, anti-trade pact biases." They have these attitudes also because they have & always will, compete against various immigrant groups & racial minority groups the capitalist system has explot white blue collar workers -- including western & eastern white Europeans, too.
Cosby commented that he's sick losing to the "white man" & that saying what he says can't be any worse than what our [white] grandfathers said to Blacks: i.e., the "n" word. He doesn't know my grandfather. If he used the "n" word, he would have never said it to an African-American. It was an expression of frustration and bigotry, yes, but all of my Irish Catholic male ancestors were functional alcoholics, too. They always got up & worked, no matter how hung over. All died of alcoholism related illnesses. They provided at all costs. My Dad changed that behavior by the end of the 60's. He used "black people" v. "n's."
Obama will get the coverage he's seeking ... even from Ms. Walsh, with his grander statement. So why was that line used? Because he defined a class of people. Those "people" in PA, IN, KY, WVA, NC, ND, SD, OR mill and factory towns won't care about his long winded explanation given to the elite. The Ultra Liberal Elitist Intellectuals will preen that the longer explanation works. WE absolve him. Michelle recently made disparaging remarks about fat, indolent, complacent Americans: notions elitist in the extreme. Snobbery. I - go to the gym! I worked hard!! I rose above!!!
Obamistas will continue to back him. But many blue collars who aren't that stupid. They know an elitist snob rich when they see one. White OR Black. They'll entwine Obama's remarks with Rev. Wright's anti-Americanism, and the "n" word Hillary's never been called and Michelle's fat ass America, and see SNOBS.
Huckabee caught on but he wasn't a millionaire. Ron Paul caught on, & he's not a millionaire. Modern politics require millionaires.
The intellectual, Elite, Ultra Liberal, Starbucks, College Educated, Buppie/Yuppie Movement backing Obama have computers and they know about overwriting text, oops, adding a "save my ass" sentence in the next iteration. The computer ignorant only will have heard the first part of Obama's dialectic.
Obama's wordy explanation was for elitists. WE educated know how to save our asses when we're talking & realize we just committed a faux pas. That's thinking on our feet. If Hillary Clinton has the discipline to know ... "this is what I have thought; this is what I have observed; but I'm not going to say that" she's a monster. I suspect she has grown in her run for the Presidency, She's learned more about the fat, the plain, the poor, the blue collar, the uninsured, the people who want a hero INE, not another HER O. The UN GYMED. She's learned what happens when people don't have health care coverage. She learns the educated elitist Ultra Liberals call her story a lie, and then upon checking, find the story closer to the the truth about what Clinton said about that Ohio tragedy.
THEY'RE the people a Democrat needs to represent.
I'll never vote for Obama. I'll write her name in.
I'll suggest she spend every hour proving Obama and McCain wrong with this question: "How, indeed, can I find a way to bring jobs BACK to PA and MI? And IN, and KY, WVA, SD, ND, OR, and NC. And Puerto Rico, too. How can I analyze what's happened, and make it my mission to bring back jobs to those states." And, by the way: fight to get all of those votes in FL and MI represented.
That's what a real Democrat should dot.
The Ultra Liberal Elitist MSNBC "look at me, I'm a rock star journalist" song & dance troop will ALWAYS send the poor to war. Check out "Lions To Lambs," Joan. And don't miss the mysogony in a George Clooney movie named "Michael Clayton," where the word "c..t" is used in the first five minutes, but if Jane Fonda uses the word to describe the rationale behind the Vagina Monologue, oh, Lord. . By the way: Clooney does in a really "nut-cutter" woman in the denoument of "Michael Clayton." Wonder what that's about???
Something's happnin' here, Ms. Walsh, & it's the failure of American women to grab the reins and say: screw putting another man (albeit, African-American), in the White House. Given all other factors, I'll support the first competent woman's arrival to the White House. THAT'S change, and sure as hell H I S T O R Y. My wife could certainly have done a better job than George Bush. And John McCain. I'm not sure about Hillary, though. Hillary's good.
I don't regret volunteering for 'Nam. It has been with me for 42 years. It's what white, Irish-American, blue collar, high school educated kids did. I regret the war, but not what I experienced. I hope to be buried under one of those white veteran tombstones. Jerry E ... Purple Heart; Combat Infantry Badge. Barack Obama won't ever get buried that way. Nor Keith Olberman; Chris Matthews; etc. All bull@!$%# artists.
Sen. Obama is a good American, a good christian and a good man. He would make a wonderful President. Those who have formed a negative opinion of him will always choose to interpret what he says in a negative way. He is trying as hard as he can to make the government work for the people the way it was designed to do. For Sen. Clinton and John McCain to call him an elitest is unbelieveable, considering the fact that both of them are millionares many many times over. Sen. Obama was speaking on behalf of those who need help in this country and it is true that we cling to our religion and other things that give us comfort. He is for the second amendment. He is for all the amendments and believes in protecting the constitution. If we do not recognize what is happening to our country and act now when we have the chance to change it, I guess we deserve what we get. I am praying for Sen. Obama and the country that we all love.
Lets get real. What is the real difference between Hillary�?s “misspeak�? and Barack�?s “bitter blunder�?? Hillary attempted to get undeserved credit and Barack expressed excessive concern; Hillary repeatedly lied and Barack over emphasized the truth. Then why is Barack taking any flak? It should really be obvious that the media loves to keep all of these conflicts going not to mention that Hillary wants to attack Barack on everything and McCain/Republicans simply want Hillary to win the nomination. It would be naive to think that their self-interests don’t affect their objectivity. Some may disagree but I think it is really important to determine the candidate’s true personalities and their demonstrated character (or lack thereof), which, when the subterfuge is set aside, will tell exactly how they will perform. With that in mind the following brief descriptions are offered.
John McCain is the easiest as he tells you right out that he will support, continue to promote and maintain GWBush & Co policies. In 2004 he abandoned his independent leanings and everything else in order to strongly and completely back the Bush administration in all of their positions, likely to get the support and backing he is now getting. He has been firm and stubbornly loyal in that and it is simply what we can expect from him, “more of the same�?.
Hillary Clinton has demonstrated over and over again that she will say/do anything she feels will benefit her, without hesitation and without conscience. She is arrogant, aggressive, obnoxious and belligerent, showing a real divisiveness that inhibits her ability to get things done, yet she attempts to present that as strength. She is persistently focused on her own private agenda and displays the very same sociopathic personality as GWBush. That is what we can expect from her, “more Washington as usual�?.
Barack Obama is considered an unknown quantity yet any intelligent and objective viewing dispels the irrational claims, offered to justify outlandish biases, that he is a Muslim, or prejudiced to favor African-Americans or even too inexperienced. He has demonstrated a personality that is calmer, more objective, easier to deal with, seemingly more honest and with some humility, all of which should make it easier for him to get cooperation, get things done and have strength without being divisive. We are then continually told that there is little difference between his and Hillary’s proposed policies and positions. Barack strongly advocates that he is for change in order to benefit the average American. Then that is what we can expect from him, change from “more GWBush�? and change from “more Washington as usual�?.
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