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Obama blames GOP on small business lending bill

Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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Republican Senator Mike Johanns of Nebraska says President Barack Obama's actions don't encourage small businesses to hire.
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President Barack Obama waves as he exits Air Force One at Andrews Air Force Base, Md., Friday, July 30, 2010, after returning from a trip to Michigan. (AP Photo/Cliff Owen)

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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is going after Senate Republicans who have stymied his proposal to create a $30 billion fund to help unfreeze lending for credit-starved small businesses.

His election-year push for additional job measures suffered a fresh setback this past week when the GOP blocked the small-business plan.

The president used his weekly radio and Internet address Saturday to accuse Republicans of "holding America's small businesses hostage to politics." He said the bill has the support of business groups and contains many ideas favored by both parties.

"Understand, a majority of senators support the plan. It's just that the Republican leaders in the Senate won't even allow it to come up for a vote," Obama said. "That isn't right."

Obama made clear that it's not only a policy disagreement, but a reason for voters to steer away from Republicans in November's pivotal congressional elections, which will determine whether Democrats keep their majorities in the House and Senate.

"When America is just starting to move forward again, we can't afford the do-nothing policies and partisan maneuvering that will only take us backward," he said.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky would have none of that talk.

He said Democrats have put the bill aside six separate times so they could move on to something else. "So from the beginning this bill clearly wasn't a priority to them — until they realized that they didn't have anything to talk about when they go home in August," McConnell said.

"Nearly every major piece of legislation this Congress has considered has had painful consequences for small businesses. Attempting to create a controversy isn't going to hide that from anyone," he said.

Democrats wanted to pass the bill before Congress left town for summer vacation, but that won't happen with House members already headed home for its August break and the Senate in session for another week before its recess begins.

The proposed fund would be available to community banks with less than $10 billion in assets, to help them increase lending to small businesses. The bill would combine the fund with about $12 billion in tax breaks aimed at small businesses.

Democrats say banks should be able to use the lending fund to leverage up to $300 billion in loans, helping to loosen tight credit markets. Some Republicans, however, likened it to the unpopular bailout of the financial industry.

Congress has extended unemployment benefits for people who have been out of work for long stretches and passed a measure that gives tax breaks to businesses that hire unemployed workers. But many other initiatives stalled, in part because of concerns they would add to the growing national debt.

The vote to end a Republican filibuster on the latest measure was 58-42. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., joined all Republicans to vote to continue the filibuster, but only as a procedural step that allows him to call up the bill again.

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Knuckledraggin' Angry White Male

Obama says, Democrats say, Reid says, .... Great reporting AP, ever think about getting a statement from the GOP about why they will not allow it to come to a vote so that we can make an informed decision?

Some Republicans, however, likened it to the unpopular bailout of the financial industry.

This is the closest they came to giving the GOP side of the story. Yeah, that is fair and informative reporting.

  • 17 votes
#1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:30 AM EDT
McSpocky

unpopular bailout of the financial industry

The bailout of the financial industry saved this country's behind. The economy of this country would have gone down the toilet otherwise.

  • 19 votes
#1.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:10 AM EDT
leftofright

The GOP responses to bipartisan efforts these past few months dwarf the reasons I left the Republican camp under Bush Jr. to vote as an independent. The GOP is likely to lose more voters if the GOP does not get their asses moving with productive, bipartisan, legislative actions needed to help this country.

If this country falls to ruin, I am going to point my finger at the GOP and say, "You bastards!"

  • 15 votes
#1.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:58 AM EDT
Reagan-540838

Obama and the dems need to call the party of no out at every turn,,Shameless anti American corporate shills and liars..To block the 9/11 responders is another in the long line of Gop BS!

This site [ www.cbpp.gov] outlines the facts on the deficit and taxbreaks for the wealthy..the site has info on a host of other relevant positions being lied about in the press...

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:47 AM EDT
jacksbDeleted
determined0a1

Is there something new about the accusations of our gracious President?

He doesn't smile often, his hair is getting gray and is possible that he is smoking 2 packs a day.

  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:56 AM EDT
AnnForTruth01

He doesn't smile often, his hair is getting gray and is possible that he is smoking 2 packs a day.

What does the President's hair turning gray and him possibly smoking two packs of cigarettes a day has to do with anything? He's damn near 50 years old and if we live long enough, the majority of us will grow gray hair. As far as smoking, if he wants to shorten his life, damage his lungs and heart, that's his business and he and his family's problem to worry about. I guess he doesn't smile because nothing much funny is happening in Washington these days. On the other hand, if he smiles too often, many will say he's not serious enough to be President and Lord knows what else. He's not smiling, then he's an angry black man. One can't win for losing.

  • 9 votes
#1.6 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:11 AM EDT
USA4Him

This is embarrassing for Obama and the AP!! They never tell the whole truth and Obama is always complaining about the GOP!??

Enough already!! We need the democrats and the Republicans to work together, not against each other, because it hurts us as a Country!!!!!

  • 6 votes
#1.7 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:14 AM EDT
AnnForTruth01

This is embarrassing for Obama and the AP!! They never tell the whole truth and Obama is always complaining about the GOP!??

Enough already!! We need the democrats and the Republicans to work together, not against each other, because it hurts us as a Country!!!!!

Why should President Obama be embarrassed? The GOP are constantly opposing or saying NO to important matters and ones they have argued to get in the past. Yes, parties need to come together and stop bickering with each other.

  • 9 votes
#1.8 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:22 AM EDT
1standlastword

So there you have it.

The Republican senate is apparently not even will to invest in the entrepreneurial spirit of American business to facilitate our rebuilding the economy.

What's their proposal is for getting us out of this recession?

Do they have something to offer better than a small business lending bill? Because NO ain't gonna feed the bulldog!

  • 9 votes
#1.9 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:24 AM EDT
MarkLHolland

To USA 4 Him

Obama and the dems have been trying to work with the party of No since the beginning. But the party of No said No. Surprising really. If Obama went on national T.V. and said that the Repubs were the greatest thing since God himself, the party of No would say No, and then castrate Obama for bringing God into the picture. That is how screwed up they are.

  • 9 votes
#1.10 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:24 AM EDT
Texasrodeoqueen

The party of HELL NO is much more concerned with their corporate Johns and keeping the tax cuts for the richest 2% than they are the 9/11 responders who are dying from cleaning up their pathetic mess 9 years ago, the unemployed, the middle class, the average American, our kids.

  • 8 votes
#1.11 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:31 AM EDT
Tjknuckles

1.9

that is pure conjecture, and you know it. why not have a debate without bias. There is an idea. If you are wanting to pursuade others, demeaning their beliefs or affliations will get you nowhere but the left is all about doing that, and that sir is fact.

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:31 AM EDT
Knuckledraggin' Angry White Male

McSpocky

unpopular bailout of the financial industry

The bailout of the financial industry saved this country's behind. The economy of this country would have gone down the toilet otherwise.

Saved this country's behind? If Obama and the Obama minions continue to chant that it will be the equivalent to Bush's "Mission Accomplished". In case you have not noticed, we are not out of the woods yet. And MANY economists are still in disagreement as to whether the bailouts have either hindered or helped.

You may want to withhold judgement before you label it a success.

  • 4 votes
#1.13 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:40 AM EDT
Lynn W

I see just like this one sided article, this board is full of bunch of hateful libs today... I'll find more intelligent conversations elsewhere...

  • 4 votes
#1.14 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:44 AM EDT
CuriousG

And MANY economists are still in disagreement as to whether the bailouts have either hindered or helped.

And, most of them believe the bailout was too small.

  • 5 votes
#1.15 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:35 AM EDT
Cycieties

#1

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky would have none of that talk.

He said Democrats have put the bill aside six separate times so they could move on to something else. "So from the beginning this bill clearly wasn't a priority to them — until they realized that they didn't have anything to talk about when they go home in August," McConnell said.

How about reading the entire article before you try to say anything?

  • 1 vote
#1.16 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:53 AM EDT
Matti Viikate

Some small businesses do need a loan, but for some, it would be waist of money.

  • 2 votes
#1.17 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:48 PM EDT
bestquest

Both political parties come from the same roots. One chose a name from latin, the other from greek. Both terms translate to 'people'. Your vote is the important ingredient.

Both parties are in agreement on American, North American, foreign relations, economic, social, education, transportation and postage stamps about 98% of the time throughout our short history.

The current disagreements are small peanuts, expanded and extrapolated to sway voters this coming November. Both parties rely on deep pocket donators, cater to east coast entrenched evil interests and cannot gain an ounce of common sense.

The current executive accepts and promotes a massive, expensive war against about 10,000 taliban and 100 al-queda in afghan. This over the top action is clearly reactionary, neo-conservative and we do not need a 10 to 1 ratio to defeat any bad guys. Cheaper to hire them as we did in Iraq.

The executive response to BP in the gulf has been weak, meager and allowed BP to bamboozle every hour, every day. They have lawyers and PR group FAR superior to any other entity in North America. Neither party has the intelligence or courage to call the sleaze to task. Wring their hands, complain and try to molify the public.

#1.18 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:15 PM EDT
Knuckledraggin' Angry White Male

Cycieties

#1

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky would have none of that talk.

He said Democrats have put the bill aside six separate times so they could move on to something else. "So from the beginning this bill clearly wasn't a priority to them — until they realized that they didn't have anything to talk about when they go home in August," McConnell said.

How about reading the entire article before you try to say anything?

So tell me Cycieties, why are the Republicans saying "No"? This time, this story does not answer anything, it simply states that McConnell has taken issue with the Democrats timeline on the bill and that the Democrats have not treated it with the same importance that they are trying to label it with now. From my reading of other stories there are definate differences between the two sides, and apparently the DNC wants the GOP to simply cave in, and they wont, and that is why Obama is running his cakehole. But you would not find that out whatsoever reading this story now would you?

Please tell me why, based on this story, the GOP said no to the bill. It is a simply question, you can find it in just about every other story on the internet about this bill, but not this one.

Let me help you out with that little question, Partisan Clashes Stall Legislation And this story does not paint the GOP with pretty colors, but it DOES have the information required to make it an unbiased story, vs. this one.

What the left does not seem to understand is that all I am trying to do is show that biased news is evident on both sides of the aisle, apparently they just dont like the thought of that being a possibility though.

  • 4 votes
#1.19 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:44 PM EDT
mike lonkouski

Good God! Another $30 billion?

Where does it end? How much money can we throw down the well?

Where is all the trillion plus that we have pissed away already? Does anyone even care?

  • 4 votes
#1.20 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:59 PM EDT
MarkLHolland

To Mike

It is in Afghanistan and Iraq, and Halliburton exactly where Bush the Son was P?ssing it all away.

  • 8 votes
#1.21 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:01 PM EDT
mike lonkouski

Good thing Obama got us out of both right after entering office, and GitMo is closed as well.

I hear the oceans are healing themselves and the ice caps are re-freezing and all the animals have stopped going extinct!

Come on Mark, you know that one has nothing at all to do with the other, let's get real up in here!

  • 4 votes
#1.22 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:13 PM EDT
Knuckledraggin' Angry White Male

Say there Mark, why dont you answer Mike's question instead of deflecting? He asked a very simple question, and you chose to pick up the gauntlet, where does it end?

Instead of ansewring you bring up Iraqa and Afghanistan, the same wars that the DNC has continued to vote to fund instead of putting their money where their mouth is and pull the troops out like they said they were going to?

  • 2 votes
#1.23 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:50 PM EDT
jdl-28

Obama seem to blame everyone else when will he stand up and take the blame for messing up and trying to destroy our country. I guess it is better to blame everyone else for your mistakes, but does that make you a man.

Obama needs to stop worrying about votes along with his party and run this country, as president who should have no party ties period. He their to keep both parties in line and stop them from fighting each other, he is just dividing this country more and more every day.

  • 1 vote
#1.24 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:04 PM EDT
CuriousG

when will he stand up and take the blame for messing up and trying to destroy our country.

Exactly how is he trying to destroy the country?

  • 3 votes
#1.25 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:17 PM EDT
mike lonkouski

By spending it into oblivion and refusing to assert our sovereignty on the southern border...

By apologizing and cowering to our enemies and critics around the world...

By softening out stance on terrorism...

How much you want?

  • 1 vote
#1.26 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:23 PM EDT
CuriousG

OK, let's take 'em one at a time:

spending it into oblivion

Most economists believe he didn't spend enough to stabilize the economy.

refusing to assert our sovereignty on the southern border

Obama has increased the deportation of illegal immigrants.

apologizing and cowering to our enemies and critics around the world..

Sure, he's raised the stature of the US once again, instead of acting like a cowboy who doesn't need any friends.

softening out stance on terrorism...

Uh, yeah right. He's increased the number of troops in Afghanistakn and has captured or killed more Al Queda members than W.

Got anything of substance?

  • 4 votes
#1.27 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:32 PM EDT
Cycieties

#1.18

Then please elaborate why they keep blocking? If you can't answer that, you're in no position to criticize others.

  • 3 votes
#1.28 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:32 PM EDT
mike lonkouski

CuriousG

OK, let's take 'em one at a time:

Most economists believe he didn't spend enough to stabilize the economy.

Yeah, right. Because everyday I see some no name economist screaming for the Fed to blow some more cash /sarc But I hear plenty screaming to "stop spending", some in his own camp.

Obama has increased the deportation of illegal immigrants.

A few more deportations doesn't make the border secure, that's apples and oranges, related, but different.

he's raised the stature of the US once again, instead of acting like a cowboy who doesn't need any friends.

That's not even a tit-for-tat response to my comment, but raised stature is dumb. Our stature as the most powerful country in the world is assured for now, but apologizing for America, and cowering to our enemies makes us more vulnerable.

Uh, yeah right. He's increased the number of troops in Afghanistakn and has captured or killed more Al Queda members than W.

Where's Afghanistakn? ;~) He has done okay in Afghan and Iraq, but I said "terrorism", not "wars".

He is the "don't jump to any conclusions" President that denies terrorist attacks when they happen on his watch.

Got anything of substance?

Exactly, try again.

  • 1 vote
#1.29 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:50 PM EDT
CuriousG

and has captured or killed more Al Queda members than W.

I noticed how you skipped over this part.

And, actually, I didn't think you'd believe anything I presented. (see: The Power of Political Misinformation)

  • 2 votes
#1.30 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:59 PM EDT
mike lonkouski

skipped over by quoting it and saying...

He has done okay in Afghan and Iraq, but I said "terrorism", not "wars".

IS that your definition of not believing anything you presented?

Care to re-dress?

  • 1 vote
#1.31 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:07 PM EDT
CuriousG

Oh, I can see where you wouldn't equate Al Queda with terrorism. </sarcasm>

  • 2 votes
#1.32 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:09 PM EDT
mike lonkouski

now you're sounding desperate <no sarcasm>

  • 1 vote
#1.33 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:12 PM EDT
MarkLHolland

To Knuckledraggin' Angry White Male

Mike Said:

Good God! Another $30 billion?

Where does it end? How much money can we throw down the well?

Where is all the trillion plus that we have pissed away already? Does anyone even care?

Obama has been in office a little under two years, not enough time to have already spent a Trillion Plus Dollars. Mike ask where was the Trillion Plus dollars already spent. No deflection involved, it was spent by Bush the Son on His Holy Crusades into the middle east to make it safe for Christianity and the bail out of Wall Street and God ony knows where else his chums or buddies got their piece of the pie.

  • 4 votes
#1.34 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:19 PM EDT
Knuckledraggin' Angry White Male

Mark,

And you somehow think that Bush spent this as though he was the one that had the purse strings and that the Democrats in control of Congress did not have anything to do with this?

For your statement to be true about Bush it will have to be true about Congress becasue Bush is unable to fund any of those items you mentioned with out their support and backing.

  • 1 vote
#1.35 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:27 PM EDT
MarkLHolland

To Knuckle Draggin' Angry White Male

6 of Bush the Sons 8 years was with dictatorial control of this Government, yea Bush the Son did it.

  • 2 votes
#1.36 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:17 PM EDT
mike lonkouski

Headline should read:

"Obama blames GOP for <insert every topic here>"

  • 1 vote
#1.37 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 12:27 AM EDT
MarkLHolland

To Mike

And he would be right.

  • 2 votes
#1.38 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 12:38 AM EDT
mike lonkouski

<freeing the slaves>

words are funny when properly employed.

<saving the economy after he left office>

oh sure, I could go on and on...

<fixing his mistakes>

but I'm not going to

  • 1 vote
#1.39 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 2:16 AM EDT
MarkLHolland

To Mike

For some reason I like you, do not agree with you but like you. May your God bless and be with you always and guide you in his ways. And may the Republican/Christians burn in eternal hell. but you hopefully you will be in heaven to torment me, you seem like someone who should be there with me.

  • 1 vote
#1.40 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 2:36 AM EDT
mike lonkouski

Well, if there is a Heaven, I'll probably be denied entry due to my wicked life and heart filled with hatred, but we'll see how it goes.

Either way, I want to be wherever Chesty Puller is, my personal, spiritual mentor.

That way me, him, Patton and Rommel can play spades and hearts, for eternity.

  • 1 vote
#1.41 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 2:42 AM EDT
MarkLHolland

To Mike

Every man women and child ever born being born or will ever be born with a living soul will be in heaven to meet us. Just look for the big white red neck that scares the @!$%# out of you that will be me. most people look at me with fear not knowing that I am the biggest sweetist teddy bear around.

#1.42 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 3:09 AM EDT
mike lonkouski

Well, I'll probably see you on or about, Dec 22, 2012, if all goes to plan 'eh?

  • 1 vote
#1.43 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 3:23 AM EDT
AlanA0720

Mark, we are cursed with two of the same problems. 1) I also tend to scare most adults, don't know why. Little children love me, but adults, not so much. 2) Although he be an amazing pain in the ass, and writes some stuff which really pisses me off, I also like mike.

  • 1 vote
#1.44 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 9:02 AM EDT
MarkLHolland

To Alan

Actually I am the same way with children, I had a psychic once tell me that I had child spirits that hung around me for some reason and it was because of them that I got along with kids so easily.

  • 1 vote
#1.45 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 12:25 PM EDT
1standlastword

#1.22 Knuckesdraggin

where does it end?

To the GOP....?

With the ultimate death of the middleclass....That's where it ends

#1.46 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 1:33 PM EDT
Brandon-801865

Why do Republicons hate Small Businesses?

Why do Republicons hate the unemployed?

Why do Republicons hate America?

  • 3 votes
#1.47 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 1:40 PM EDT
Cycieties

I still haven't seen a reason posted by any Republican here why the GOP keeps blocking.

  • 2 votes
#1.48 - Sat Aug 7, 2010 1:07 PM EDT
mike lonkouski

Cycieties

Really?

It's so simple.

The GOP opposes the over-arching Obama agenda, and it's politically expedient.

What else do you need? The spending? OK, that too.

We call it "opposition politics", and it wasn't exactly invented yesterday.

Besides, if Obama can be moderate enough to win the votes of his own party, he doesn't need the evil and wicked GOP any-old-ways.

Plus, the American public is souring on Obama and his agenda, so the GOP is just riding that wave. Too bad they can't get idiots like Snowe to play ball.

  • 2 votes
#1.49 - Sat Aug 7, 2010 1:49 PM EDT
CapnBaccus

Besides, if Obama can be moderate enough to win the votes of his own party, he doesn't need the evil and wicked GOP any-old-ways.

I can't call you liar or a hack that lies to support his ideals, but I can say that statement is provably false and that your prior discourse suggests you are not ignorant of the reasons it is provably false and let everyone else draw what conclusions they may.

  • 2 votes
#1.50 - Sat Aug 7, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
mike lonkouski

that statement is provably false

Go ahead then....I'll wait.

  • 1 vote
#1.51 - Sat Aug 7, 2010 2:30 PM EDT
CapnBaccus

Even if Nelson, Lincoln, Conrad, Lieberman, and the other Blue Dogs sign on that is 59, it takes 60 to break the filibuster which the Republicans have invoked to an unprecedented degree. So if the minority is going to filibuster any bill that may help the economy and there by give political points to Democrats 59 votes does not get us to the up or down vote; where, yes, Democrats can pass whatever they want.

Your statement is false.

If you are suggesting that the senate rules be thrown out and strict Constitutional majority rule become the rule of the Senate we are totally on the same page.

  • 2 votes
#1.52 - Sat Aug 7, 2010 2:54 PM EDT
McSpocky

President Barack Obama said Saturday that the GOP stance on a small business lending bill is proof the country "can't afford the do-nothing policies and partisan maneuvering that will only take us backward."

He's absolutely right. The Republican Party is trying to run this country into the ground, just so they can make the current administration fail. They have no regards whatsoever for the people of this country. No sacrifice is too big, as long as they think it will gain them a few more seats in Congress.

  • 15 votes
#2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:39 AM EDT
Knuckledraggin' Angry White Male

So tell me McSpocky, based on this story, why are the Republicans holding up the vote on the bill? Are you even interested in why or are you simple in want of rubberstamping ANYTHING that Obama wants?

  • 8 votes
#2.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:48 AM EDT
McSpocky

I already stated why they are holding up the bill. The Republicans have basically taken this country hostage to gain a few seats in November. As far as they are concerned, the citizens of this country are just cannon fodder.

  • 14 votes
#2.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:08 AM EDT
btco

Mr Spocky is correct!

The Party of NO is saying NO to business growth in an effort to gain seats. That is it. Nothing more.

Oh, they will say hair-brained lame reason, like "it won't help" or "it will make the sky fall" or "there is no problem with credit markets for small businesses" We know what this is, it is political haymaking on their part. They are bankrupt and would like nothing more than to bankrupt the rest of us with them.

  • 11 votes
#2.3 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:14 AM EDT
Tjknuckles

Obama made clear that it's not only a policy disagreement, but a reason for voters to steer away from Republicans in November's pivotal congressional elections, which will determine whether Democrats keep their majorities in the House and Senate.

This part is clear alright, I even saw on his little stint while on the View the other day where he went on to say there is a time for campaigning and a time to govern. When exactly will that time come, because he certainly is not a leader and has spent a majority of his time campaigning for himself and his party. His is the most divisive man in politics, that uses the issue of race to keep his popularity from falling off the table. If he wanted to end the partisianship he would, but his inadequate leadership abilities prove that to be impossible and like a teenager he just points the finger at the problem thinking that it will solve the situation by quarentining it through motivating the sheeple to belive it to be so. This is a two party government, checks and balances. The dems cried just as loud when it wasnt in there interests. So goes the balances of power.

I am with Knuckle on this issue, where is any reporting being done by the media that presents the oppositions stance in a clear and unbiased report? And dont give me "because there is none" bull@!$%#. If you believe that the repubs are conspiritorally trying to ruin the country just to throw egg in the face of the sitting president you need to get you head checked. Media, since 1996 has been turned into a product, and just like everything else in coorporate America they sell to make money. Every media outlet is owned by a corporate entity, check it out for yourselves. Its all propaganda, how about using the brain housing group given to you and exercise some critical thinking and make and informed decision without being persuaded by an agenda driven media.

  • 4 votes
#2.4 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:45 AM EDT
AlanA0720

They voted no because they wanted to tack on a bunch of amendments, Reid offered them three, and McConnell said it wasn't enough. McConnell was asked how many would be enough, and rather than answer the question, he closed down the debate. Presumably because he was going to vote NO anyway, and didn't want to be called a liar when he was given his way and voted against the bill, AGAIN!

  • 9 votes
#2.5 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:46 AM EDT
wude121

The Republicans have basically taken this country hostage

I felt the same when the Dems shut down the government in the middle 90s over a budget battle...... the alphabet media all tripped over them selves saying it was a cut in spending, when in reality it was a cut in the increase of that fiscal year.

so carry on with the partisan ramblins../\

  • 3 votes
#2.6 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:55 AM EDT
Ronin-2

It must be so hard for the left to push for "short term deficit increases" in order to save the economy. (sarc) The left criticized Reagan and Bush for running deficits- but now has doubled down on both of their debts and policies. Yes, the Repubs are hypocrites for criticizing Obama and giving Reagan/Bush a free pass. So that just means both sides don't practice what they preach.

It is all about getting re-elected. The Dems have locked down the Lawyer vote (No Tort reform on the health care bill- ambulance chasers rejoice!); the Union vote with the Stimulus and Auto bailouts; and the soon to be legal illegal immigrant vote with their lawsuit against Arizona and their "Immigration Reform".

Perception is reality in the political world- and the Dems are perceived to be anti small business- so give small businesses that unfunded bone for a talking point during upcoming elections. After all getting re-elected is the most important thing.

  • 2 votes
#2.7 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:56 AM EDT
Tjknuckles

After all getting re-elected is the most important thing.

Bingo!

  • 5 votes
#2.8 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:59 AM EDT
Janie Ackerly

McSpocky, You are totally wrong, did you even bother to check why they voted no. We have to put a stop to attaching nonsense spending to Bills that are really important. Remember we are going Bankrupt, and I blame all for excess spending but right now it does seem the only ones listening is the Republicans,Conservatives and Independents. Dem. have it in their mind to Spend,Spend,Spend!!!

  • 4 votes
#2.9 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:48 AM EDT
btco

The Dems have locked down the Lawyer vote (No Tort reform on the health care bill- ambulance chasers rejoice!); the Union vote with the Stimulus and Auto bailouts; and the soon to be legal illegal immigrant vote with their lawsuit against Arizona and their "Immigration Reform".

Tort reform does NOTHING to the cost of medical care. BTW, Republicans blocked tort reform too under Bush. The stimulus created somewhere around 2 million jobs and kept the economy from tanking and Arizona tried to over-ride the US Constitution.

  • 5 votes
#2.10 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:07 AM EDT
Knuckledraggin' Angry White Male

McSpocky

I already stated why they are holding up the bill. The Republicans have basically taken this country hostage to gain a few seats in November. As far as they are concerned, the citizens of this country are just cannon fodder.

Actually you stated why you ASSUMED they are holding up the bill, and then you went into the same old talking points that every other left winger goes into. Change the record yours is skipping.

  • 2 votes
#2.11 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:27 AM EDT
Ronin-2

btco,

Where is the proof that the stimulus created 2 million jobs? Must be the Joe Biden counting workshop? The same place that can't tell where all the stimulus money has gone.

As for Tort reform not lowering the cost of medical care. Doctors, hospitals, and all medical providers have to pay for insurance against malpractice. If there were set limits on court awards it would lower the cost of their insurance. (And maybe do away with some lawyer charged overtime). Which would in turn allow them to lower the prices of their procedures, and not run so many unneeded tests to avoid law suits. This would lower the amount insurance companies had to pay out to cover their clients. Nope, no savings there what-so-ever.

And before Arizona can violate Federal law the Federal government needs to enforce that law. And no recent President/administration has ever bothered to enforce our borders. Arizona should file a counter law suite against the Federal government that since it will not enforce Federal immigration/border laws those laws are invalid. That would remove the Federal government from the equation completely.

And I don't see any Dems screaming that states should be sued every time they pass a restriction on the right of people to own and bare arms? That is also under control of the Federal government- yet gun rules, regulations, and enforcement vary from state to state.

  • 2 votes
#2.12 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:30 AM EDT
euterpe-1641499

Well said, McSpocky. The GOP and their filibustering has severely damaged the economic recovery. It boggles the mind how that group can be so selfish and short-sighted.

  • 6 votes
#2.13 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:49 AM EDT
rickg-808074

Ronin-2, several states have already enacted tort reform with caps on law suits. The state I live in is one of those states, guess what, our medical costs have not gone down at all. So maybe you could point to one state that has enacted tort reform and has lowered their medical costs as an example of all the savings that come from tort reform.

By the way the seeded post is about the President rightfully calling out the Republicans for blocking any attempt to stimulate the economy. The Republicans want to use the current status of the economy to try and win back control of the congress, it wouldn't help their chances if the economy were to improve over the next three months. The Republicans can't really come out and say that this is their reason for voting for the filibuster, but you don't have to be real smart to figure out their motive.

  • 7 votes
#2.14 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:39 AM EDT
LawyerInTraining

Knuckledraggin' Angry White Male, since you seem to know everything there is to know about the subject, how about you post (and defend) the Republicans' reasons for blocking the bill. Sources are appreciated.

  • 2 votes
#2.15 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:50 AM EDT
Cycieties

I love how people seem to think FOX news counts as a credible news source.

#2.15

This.

  • 2 votes
#2.16 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:57 AM EDT
Ronin-2

rickg, other things need to go with tort reform to lower insurance cost. Such as allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines without penalty.

And I will stick by my original comment- Obama and the Dems are trying to buy votes and stay in power. They have locked down the lawyers, the Unions, and the illegals.

The Right has been kicking them repeatedly for not helping small business; and low and behold here comes a bone for small business. No idea how to pay for it; but the Dems can now use it a talking point during elections. Interest rates to banks and loaning institutions is being held at near 0%- what else is it going to take for banks to make loans reasonable enough that people take chances to take out loans to start businesses and hire people?

"It is the economy stupid" still applies now as it did in the Clinton days, and confidence is down and it is showing across the board.

And I would vote for anyone that would go to Washington and enacted programs with a way to pay for them. Both Reps, when they had power, and the Dems now have failed miserably in that regard.

  • 1 vote
#2.17 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:59 AM EDT
Knuckledraggin' Angry White Male

LawyerInTraining

Knuckledraggin' Angry White Male, since you seem to know everything there is to know about the subject, how about you post (and defend) the Republicans' reasons for blocking the bill. Sources are appreciated.

Actually, LIT, why is it that you are asking ME to inform you of that instead of demanding left wing journalism to do that instead? Liberals like you prefer to be spoon fed this pablum and because it puts the GOP on the hook you gobble it up like happy little babies in the morning, not once asking the simple question of the story "What is the reason the GOP said "no" this time?" You did not ask because you do not care, even if it were a good reason because you dont even want to take a chance that you may have to agree with them, the left is nothing more being as willfully ignorant as they say the right is. "As long as the story makes the right look bad, who cares if I have all the info." Isnt that right?

Face it, the left is entirely all to happy to accept any story that they have tossed in front of them and say "Yeah, thats showing those GOP bastards Obama! You da' man!" instead of asking basic questions.

Bottom line, if you want to know why the right said "no", go find it. The left is as guilty of accepting biased journalism as they say the right is when they watch Fox news.

With that argument of yours I can picture you asking the prosecution to please come up with a defense for your client.

  • 1 vote
#2.18 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:21 PM EDT
LawyerInTraining

Knuckledragger, I'm simply asking YOU to defend YOUR position. And yet, nowhere in your rambling response to that simple question did you come close to backing up YOUR statement with facts. The only logical conclusion is that, as usual, there is no defense (or if there is you have no clue what it is).

As far as not asking questions, I am...please tell me this information that you are privy of which I am completely unaware.

When trying to be persuasive, the burden is on the persuader, not the one hearing the argument.

  • 6 votes
#2.19 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:44 PM EDT
rickg-808074

Ronin-2, all insurance companies can sell their insurance in whatever state they want. However, they do have to abide by the insurance regulations of that state. The federal government does not regulate insurance, the regulation of the insurance companies is strictly done by the states. What people are talking about is letting insurance companies based in other states sell insurance based on the regulations where their company is located. If you allowed this to happen, all these companies would run to base their company in the state with the fewest and least prohibitive regulations. If this were to happen everyone would be getting the worst coverage for the most expensive price. If you want to see an example of this, just look at the credit card companies, they went to the states that allowed them to charge the most interest and had the least amount of consumer protection. So maybe you should do a little research on what would happen if we allowed companies to bypass state regulations.

The right has been kicking the administration for not helping small business, but when they get the chance to help small business, they vote NO. Forgive me, but the logic just bypasses me.

  • 4 votes
#2.20 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:13 PM EDT
Ronin-2

rickg, Where was this bill two years ago? Just ask yourself that. The timing before the general elections is suspect.

And still no word on how to pay for it. Taking it out of unspent stimulus money would make to much sense.

Will this even help if it passes? Unless the people as a whole start feeling the economy gets better- the answer is no. Everyone is saving what they can for when times get even worse- and yes it might very well be a self fulfilling prophecy.

  • 1 vote
#2.21 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:26 PM EDT
Knuckledraggin' Angry White Male

LIT,

You want sources, read the article. Where exactly within this article are there any facts stating why the GOP has chosen to not support this bill? My positions is quite clear, this article is nothing more than a biased piece of garbage that left wing dolts will gobble up without stopping to ask WHY are the Republicans blocking this from moving forward. You have chosen to take up an alternative position, please support YOUR argument showing me where I am incorrect and all of the pertinent information is available to support Obama's claim that the Republicans are simply acting as the party of no versus standing on a priciple that they have opted to delay the bill over.

Is that so difficult to understand?

And no, "since you seem to know everything there is to know about the subject, how about you post (and defend) the Republicans' reasons for blocking the bill." that is NOT asking me to defend my position, that is asking me to supply you with the information that I have stated clearly is not available in this clearly biased article, of which I am making clear is my point. If you are unable to understand that, it is not my responsibility to bring you up to speed.

Another ambulance chaser, just what we need in this country!

  • 1 vote
#2.22 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:00 PM EDT
btco

Ronin, WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWrong on all counts. The stimulus information I have is from IHS Global Insight, Moody's Economy and other WELL respected economic research firms. Look it up for yourself. Don't post right wing talking point nonsense.

UofM hospital cut tort costs in half without blocking a person's right to sue. How? Look it up, learn for yourself.

Oh, and Obama actually has been enforcing our immigration laws MORE than any President in the recent past.

  • 5 votes
#2.23 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:21 PM EDT
LawyerInTraining

Knuckledragger, you stated in your last response "this article is nothing more than a biased piece of garbage that left wing dolts will gobble up without stopping to ask WHY are the Republicans blocking this from moving forward". This patently false, as I have now asked you twice to enlighten us as to why Republicans are blocking this from moving forward. You are either unwilling, or more likely unable, to answer what should be a very simple question. Given the GOP's recent tactics of blocking legislation simply to obstruct, the inference that they have done it again is perfectly valid. As I said before, if you want to have any credibility, it is YOUR job to prove YOUR assertion is true. I've supplied facts and logic to back up my position - care to do the same?

  • 4 votes
#2.24 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:54 PM EDT
Cycieties

Yeah Knuckledragger, please enlighten us unless they discourage intellectual arguments in the University of Beck.

  • 2 votes
#2.25 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:34 PM EDT
Knuckledraggin' Angry White Male

If you two intellectuals need an answer on why the Republicans are blocking the bill from moving forward, you can get your answers on line, I am not going to make your argument for you.

If you two would look back at my posts you will see my arguments have been directed at the bias of the story and the willingness of liberal fools to accept it without asking why they did not give the full story. If you are unable to understand that then that is your issue, not mine. If you would like to discuss the reasoning why the story failed to include the reasoning of the Republicans, and I have looked into it and their reasoning is petty, then I will be happy to discuss that. But if all you wish to do is try and turn this into a bash the GOP thread take it up with someone else, there are enough of those already for you two to go and play in.

And please save your breath, attempting to goad me into an argument about the Republicans reasoning is not going to work, including making troll like statements like "discourage intellectual arguments in the University of Beck." when at no time have I brought up Beck.

Lastly, Lawyer in Training, you may want to check your postings, you have supplied NO FACTS simply innuendo, opinions, and insinuations.

If you are truly interested in the reasoning behind the Republicans here is a link for you.

Enjoy

#2.26 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:43 PM EDT
Ronin-2

Btco,

I will match you talking point for talking point:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/feb/17/barack-obama/obama-says-stimulus-responsible-millions-jobs-save/

These are all estimates- which is all that anyone can give- and IHS Global Insight only gave the stimulus:

• IHS/Global Insight: 1.25 million jobs saved or created.

I hope you are not going to argue that there isn't a huge difference between "saving" a job and "creating" one.

And Tort reform would not block anyone's right to sue- but would set limits on the amount of damages awarded by the court. Which would mean reduced court costs- and might end protracted legal battles. The biggest loser in this situation would be the lawyers- which I don't think would break any but the Dems' hearts.

And you must be ignoring the Immigration Reform Bill working its way through Congress. It should be called the amnesty bill to get the Dems votes.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/29/dems-to-unveil-outline-of-immigration-legislation/?fbid=fBv4ArfBn8G

  • 1 vote
#2.27 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:26 PM EDT
AlanA0720

"We could have been finished by this bill by now if you'd give the minority the right to offer a few amendments," said Sen. Olympia Snowe (R., Maine).

Did that, see below.

Mr. Reid at one point offered to withdraw the agriculture relief funds and allow the Republicans three amendments, but Mr. McConnell said that wouldn't be enough.

It never is enough. Dems caved on so many republican ideas in the healthcare reform bill, the stimulus, every @!$%#ing bill passed since Jan. 20, 2009 has incorporated republican points and ideas, and yet they still VOTE NO.

Democrats, in turn, said Republicans offered amendments that had little to do with small business but were intended to embarrass the Democrats. Mr. Hatch, for example, suggested he wanted a measure to address the Bush tax cuts, which Democrats say is a broader issue that will be tackled later.

Like immigration, they wanted to shove an immigration amendment of the Small business bill.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R., Utah) didn't criticize any provisions in the bill, but said it didn't address the real problems facing small business, such as the approaching expiration of Bush-era tax cuts.

Same @!$%# different day. Projected to increase the deficit by 3.5 trillion over the next 5 yrs.

"We don't have time to address small, Band-Aid bills when the patient, the underlying economy, needs a blood transfusion," Mr. Hatch said. Republicans also said Democrats were throwing unrelated spending into the bill, including $2 billion in agriculture disaster relief.

We gave it a transfusion. It wasn't near enough blood, and was doped up with tax cuts that the pubes wanted.

So, hatch doesn't like agriculture.

"I'm pleading frankly to a few Republicans senators," said Sen. Max Baucus (D., Mont.) "Let's pass it. Let's not get all hung up on who said what to whom."

Holy @!$%#, intelligent thought from a Senator. Although I hate Baucus for cutting the public option out of HCR.


Senators also fought over the $30 billion loan provision, which would provide money for community banks to lend to small firms. Many Republicans opposed that measure, saying it resembled the unpopular Troubled Asset Relief Program, which provided $700 billion to large banks.

So, it's OK to bail out the financial GIANTS which caused a huge portion of this mess, but help for the little guy is strictly forbidden? God I'm glad I'm no longer one of "those" people.

The $30 billion loan program would authorize the Treasury Department to lend money to smaller banks, those with less than $10 billion in assets, at 5% interest. That interest rate would fall to 1% if a bank significantly increases its loans to small firms.

Other items in the bill included such provisions as allowing small businesses to apply tax credits to the previous five years, and letting investors avoid capital gains taxes on certain small business stocks. The bill also would increase the limits on a variety Small Business Administration loans and provide $1.5 billion to states for grants to small firms.

I am a small business owner. I really could use the tax credits, loans and grants. But especially the tax credits.

To quote a once famous man, "Republican senators are @!$%#s"!

  • 2 votes
#2.28 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 9:39 AM EDT
CuriousG

Excellent summary, AlanA0720.

  • 2 votes
#2.29 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 10:28 PM EDT
Cycieties

#2.26

What the hell does foreign oil dependency have to do with domestic small buisnesses?

#2.30 - Sat Aug 7, 2010 1:10 PM EDT
Wizeguy

Big business is not hiring. It's going to be up the little guy to get people back to work here in America. Big business would rather outsource then pay the American worker a living wage. We need to allow small business growth.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/companies-reluctant-hire-slow-ecnomic-recovery-muir-jobs-unemployment-11292497

  • 2 votes
#3 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:24 AM EDT
americanguy-2102578

Its the government taxing the big corporations from hell to breakfast that FORCE them to outsource. If the government would get out of everyones business and stop ripping everyone off and take less of the pot then business's would flourish. This is why the TEA PARTY is raising hell, BIG GOVERNMENT taking all the money from the successful hard working people and giving it to the ones sitting on their A$$'s with their hands out!

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:34 AM EDT
Wizeguy

banks should be able to use the lending fund to leverage up to $300 billion in loans, helping to loosen tight credit markets. Some Republicans, however, likened it to the unpopular bailout of the financial industry.

These are bank loans backed by the Government. Not handouts. Corporate taxes have not gone up under this administration. Corporate taxes are paid by the consumer. The Corporation doe's not pay taxes from it's profits. Sorry I'm sitting on my ass waiting for my SS check every month but I worked for 40 plus years and think yea I deserve that $1250 a month.

  • 2 votes
#3.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:46 AM EDT
jim in Duluth

if you had been able to invest half of the money you put into the rathole called SS, you'd be collecting 2X-3X as much per month, without pulling it from people who are being forced to put more money into that vacuum. I've heard others in similar situations as you say they would have spent the cash, so it was a good thing they had it taken out (I'm not accusing you of that, Wizeguy, it's just what others have said...) that they wouldn't have invested it (implying they wouldn't have had the discipline to do so) why is that the responsibility of anyone else (myself included?). Why should I pay for them? They lived beyond their means, I saved, and I get penalized....

More money is going out of SS than is going in; in about 8 yrs it hits the fan at current rates. You won't have that $1250 coming in, and you'll be 8 yrs older. Nice system....

  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:30 AM EDT
btco

Its the government taxing the big corporations from hell to breakfast that FORCE them to outsource

Then please explain to me why Exxon/Mobil received a 156 million dollar tax refund after making a NINETEEN BILLION DOLLAR PROFIT! This is a bull@!$%# line spoon fed to you by right wing corporate whores.

  • 6 votes
#3.4 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:10 AM EDT
jim in Duluth

Exxon donated more money to Obama's (and the Democrats) election campaigns than the Republicans.....Congress has been under Dem control for 4+ yrs now. Are you sure you're venting about the right people?

  • 3 votes
#3.5 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:55 AM EDT
Cycieties

To those who are stating that taxes are the reason big business is outsourcing, you might want to look at working conditions and wages in the outsourced countries. The only goal for a corporation is to gain more money.

#3.5

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00006424

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

Although Obama had significantly more campaign contributions, note how McCain had received 23% of his campaign funds from OUR tax dollars (Federal).

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0410/McCain_never_considered_myself_a_maverick.html

Also he apparently lied about his campaign slogan. I'm pretty sure America chose the far lesser of two evils.

  • 6 votes
#3.6 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:06 PM EDT
oneforall

Its the government taxing the big corporations from hell to breakfast that FORCE them to outsource. If the government would get out of everyones business and stop ripping everyone off and take less of the pot then business's would flourish.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/12/news/economy/corporate_taxes/

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Nearly two-thirds of U.S. companies and 68% of foreign corporations do not pay federal income taxes, according to a congressional report released Tuesday.

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) examined samples of corporate tax returns filed between 1998 and 2005. In that time period, an annual average of 1.3 million U.S. companies and 39,000 foreign companies doing business in the United States paid no income taxes - despite having a combined $2.5 trillion in revenue.

This is why the TEA PARTY is raising hell, BIG GOVERNMENT taking all the money from the successful hard working people and giving it to the ones sitting on their A$$'s with their hands out!

Where Your Income Tax Money Really Goes

U.S. Federal Budget FY2009 http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

Total Outlays $2,650 billion
Military: 54% and $1,449 billion
Non-Military 46% and $1,210 billion

Current Military 35%
Past Military 18%
Human Resources 30%
General Government 11%
Physical Resources 5%

  • 2 votes
#3.7 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:10 PM EDT
jim in Duluth

either you don't know how to do your homework or you are blatantly lying to push your "cause"....you make the call

the Department of Defense budget, as a %age of the total Federal budget is just under 19%. Entitlements in aggregate dwarf the total DOD budget.

You are welcome to your views; no argument there. But don't you think supporting it with grossly inaccurate info debases your premise? or do you live by the maxim that "The Ends Justify the Means?". Living a lie is living a lie; deal with it...

#3.8 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 7:18 AM EDT
CapnBaccus

Entitlements may make up a greater part of the budget but military always wins as part of the debt. Reason being; many entitlements are paid for in advance by the very people who will collect it in the future (unemployment, social security, etc) I have to wonder if your aggregate entitlement number includes corporate welfare, as that would actually make sense as to why your entitlement number is high. Near as I can tell that is the issue tea party fears most because nothing more quickly exposes their hypocrisy on the deficit.

#3.9 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 10:48 AM EDT
oneforall

either you don't know how to do your homework or you are blatantly lying to push your "cause"....you make the call

Jim in Diluth -

If you'll reread my post, you'll note that it was in direct response to a comment on corporate taxes. The budget data is clearly identified as Where Your Income Tax Money Really Goes. The only point which I was making is that corporations do not pay as much in taxes as some believe and that a relatively small share of income tax revenues are actually being spent on "the ones sitting on their A$$'s with their hands out"!

Entitlement programs are predominantly insurance programs, paid for by employers and employees alike. They are mandated programs which provide benefits which individuals would have to pay for themselves, if they were not paying insurance premiums to receive those benefits. Over two trillion dollars have been borrowed from the Social Security Trust Fund to cover general revenue spending.

#3.10 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 11:48 AM EDT
americanguy-2102578

WHERE ARE WE SUPPOSE TO GET THE MONEY!? We already borrow 41 cents for every dollar the government spends! Would you still blow money if your finances where a wreck like the governments!? Hell no you wouldnt but you expect the government to keep blowing money? The PEOPLE are going to have to get this country back on its feet and quit relying on the governments tit to do it for them! We need them off our backs and out of our checkbooks so we can run busisness's profitably. The republicans are trying to STOP SPENDING MONEY WE DONT HAVE!

  • 6 votes
#4 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:31 AM EDT
LawyerInTraining

Like Dick Cheney said when pushing tax cuts for the rich..."deficits don't matter". Until a Democrat is in office, anyway.

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:36 AM EDT
determined0a1

Bush Tax cut

Good for Kerry, et al because with a bottle of ketchup in every dinner table he could pay for the taxes that they owe.

#4.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:05 AM EDT
MarkLHolland

To American Guy

It was the Repubs reckless spending that put us into this mess. Bush the Son "God told me to go there, and get hundreds of soldiers killed, and spend billions to prop up Corrupt Governments and endanger the world, so it must be good".

You want to blame someone blame Bush the Son, Gods chosen savior.

  • 6 votes
#4.3 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:10 AM EDT
oneforall

WHERE ARE WE SUPPOSE TO GET THE MONEY!? We already borrow 41 cents for every dollar the government spends!

This is precisely the reason why the government needs to spend. As the economy contracts, the GDP fails to grow and tax revenues continue to fall further behind obligations. If the government refuses to invest in growth, the economy will continue to stagnate, further eroding jobs, consumer spending and tax revenues. The likelihood of continued budget deficits is far greater if the economy remains weak than if the economy could be revitalized by investing in future growth and development. There are multiple options which must be considered to jump start the economy, but to just let debt pile up because the government refuses to do anything is the most destructive. If no one is working and if no one is spending, the recession can only get worse.

  • 3 votes
#4.4 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:45 PM EDT
americanguy-2102578

This is what Pakistan thinks of the U.S. We have soldiers dieing there every day and we give them Billions of OUR MONEY and this is what they do to us for all our blood and money..

Americans fighting the war in Afghanistan have long harbored strong suspicions that Pakistan’s military spy service has guided the Afghan insurgency with a hidden hand, even as Pakistan receives more than $1 billion a year from Washington for its help combating the militants, according to a trove of secret military field reports made public Sunday.

The documents, made available by an organization called WikiLeaks, suggest that Pakistan, an ostensible ally of the United States, allows representatives of its spy service to meet directly with the Taliban in secret strategy sessions to organize networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in Afghanistan, and even hatch plots to assassinate Afghan leaders.

  • 2 votes
#5 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:45 AM EDT
Tjknuckles

completely off topic but interesting nonetheless, another bit of interesting information you should know is that during the russian afghan war the CIA ran their counter operations with the mujahedeen led by Tim Osman (OBL) from the same tribal regions of pakistan that he is thought to be hiding in today.

  • 1 vote
#5.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:51 AM EDT
determined0a1

Globalization means that we are the provider for the world.

  • 2 votes
#5.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:06 AM EDT
americanguy-2102578

Opps, wrong article!

#6 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:48 AM EDT
Jim-789449

It seems that obama is the one who is doing the ruining now with what he has done in just under two years; he has done more damage than bush did in eight.

This law suit against Arizona that he started, (yes he did, the DOJ does nothing without his ok), has shown just how much he truly cares about America as a nation, (No, he is not the only one who could have done something about immigration laws).

Truth be known, neither side (Dem./Repub.) is worth a plug nickel, it is time for the people to stop being republican or democrat and start being Americans who are working for the betterment of the people not the politicians.

  • 5 votes
#7 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:58 AM EDT
Stu-4803409

It seems that obama is the one who is doing the ruining now with what he has done in just under two years; he has done more damage than bush did in eight.

Hahaha, wow if you post nonsense like that without a disclaimer people are likely to laugh until their tears ruin their keyboards.

What way has he done ANY damage to the straight down the toilet direction your beloved chimp left us?

  • 3 votes
#7.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:39 PM EDT
Jim-789449

Want a list?

#7.2 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 5:52 PM EDT
AnnForTruth01

Jim - your post is laughable. From where did you get your information and who is the source?

  • 2 votes
#7.3 - Tue Aug 3, 2010 4:28 AM EDT
jim in Duluth

The Republicans just want this stuff paid for. Oh, I forgot, those quotes never reach the media arm of the liberal cause...talk about an "inconvenient truth".

In Nov, the Obamanation wanted to have the unemployment bill paid for by drawbacks of money already allocated. Fast forward to a month ago for the unemployment bill, he did a 360; put it on the tab.

Did any of you libs see that the Republicans actually supported the unemployment bill, and suggested using stimulus money still sitting there from the first 2 months of this administration, that has not yet been earmarked? Didn't make your radar screen huh?

The banks right now have 0 percent interest loans courtesy of the gov't, who is borrowing Chinese, Dutch, etc. money to finance those loans. The banks are reinvesting it in gov't bonds at 2-3%, tax free, no risk. That's why they aren't loaning to business; no risk vs moderate-heavy risk. They are being responsible to their stockholders, which is why they exist (they are not social instruments). This all comes from this vaunted "re-regulation" of our financial system (Tim Geithner, one of the prime architects of Bush's TARP program,one of the prime authors of this...the guy who tried to deduct a personal vacation from his taxes...)....this is where regulation gets you.

If the banks could only make money by making loans, instead of investing these gifts in bonds , their investors would demand they take some chances. If they had to hold their own loans the loans would be examined for viabillity. Instead we have gov't borrowing money, to loan to companies to loan that same money back, at a cost, to government. Reminds me of the old "oo oo bird" parable...the bird flies in ever decreasing diameter circles, til it disappears by sticking its head into its own.....body...and keeps going.

FWIW

  • 5 votes
#8 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:05 AM EDT
LawyerInTraining

Dick Cheney - "deficits don't matter"

http://www.ontheissues.org/2004/Dick_Cheney_Budget_+_Economy.htm

<Insert idiotic justification of how that's COMPLETELY different here>

  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:39 AM EDT
jim in Duluth

LIT- I must have written the passage in invisible ink, saying Cheney was right and the Dems wrong, for doing the same thing...I can't seem to find where I said that in this string...please cut and paste the passage I wrote that in...I'd like to correct it...

Wrong is wrong, regardless of whose party you belong to. A lot of conservatives either stayed home or voted for a change in the last election cycle bc they did not like the spending, and borrowing, with a Republican President (who advocated spending too much, btw!!) and a Democratic Congress. (Congress writes the checks, not the Executive branch, an inconvenient truth that is overlooked constantly by y'all trying to justify you're irresponsible spending by saying "those guys did it too...")....

#8.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:05 AM EDT
LawyerInTraining

You stated "Republicans just want this stuff paid for." I provided an example of how that isn't always the case, and indeed until a Democrat was in office and conditions justified deficits it didn't seem to matter.

  • 3 votes
#8.3 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:53 AM EDT
AnnForTruth01

Did any of you libs see that the Republicans actually supported the unemployment bill, and suggested using stimulus money still sitting there from the first 2 months of this administration, that has not yet been earmarked? Didn't make your radar screen huh?

Actually in the end only a handful of Republicans voted Yes to the unemployment bill finally passed. The remaining Republicans and some Democrats as a matter of fact voted No. Like you wrote, Republicans supported or claim they support extending unemployment, but wanted a "PAYGO" system taken entirely from leftover stimulus money." Democrats consider it an "emergency fund." The leftover stimulus money is said to be used or going to be used for job creation i.e. green jobs.

The majority of Republicans voted No to extending unemployment and at the same time are adamantly fighting against eliminating George Bush's tax cuts designed for the wealthy and expected to expire shortly. The Party of No mission is to divide and conquer at whatever cost.

Oh, and many should have thought more carefully 9 years ago, considered the situation in its entirety before making an arrogant judgment to start a war, and perhaps we wouldn't have to figure out now how we're going to have to pay for anything or at least pay as much.

  • 3 votes
#8.4 - Tue Aug 3, 2010 4:20 AM EDT
Nadia T. Pugglesworth, III

Ever notice how when Obama gets a piece of legislation passed from his agenda it's because of his greatness, but when he fails it's always someone else's fault?

  • 5 votes
#9 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:43 AM EDT
ADad-1477522

Amen to that... He and the dems spend so much of their time blamin', it's like kindergarten playground fights. "he did it", "no, he did it"... It's getting seriously ridiculous. They say they r workin' "for the people", yet, if that was so; they would have legislation that *both* sides agree to. Yet, it has gotten so partisanly toxic. I wish they would get to the center. Yet, that's a pipe-dream.

  • 4 votes
#9.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:52 AM EDT
Nadia T. Pugglesworth, III

Obama said he was going to be a different kind of politician who was going to Washington to change business as usual and be bipartisan. I guess that was all a lie since I've never seen him even once publicly show any contrition or reconciliation towards the other side of the aisle except of course after he gets a piece of his agenda passed and he makes it a point to thank the "brave" Republicans who voted with him.

  • 4 votes
#9.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:56 AM EDT
LawyerInTraining

Obama was very conciliatory at the beginning - before the Right made it clear their strategy was oppose everything at all costs. Against that, there is no reason to give an inch - it won't matter.

  • 5 votes
#9.3 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:14 AM EDT
Stu-4803409

Against that, there is no reason to give an inch - it won't matter.

If he actually did it left of center he'd have a lot more support anyway.

  • 2 votes
#9.4 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:40 PM EDT
Blue N Gold

The Blame Game!

Shirley!
Shirley, Shirley bo Birley Bonana fanna fo Firley
Fee fy mo Mirley, Shirley!

Lincoln!
Lincoln, Lincoln bo Bincoln Bonana fanna fo Fincoln
Fee fy mo Mincoln, Lincoln!

- - -

Not very persuasive to blame one's short-comings on others. Failure is failure no matter how many people one tries to blame. Somebody send this man a mirror.

- - -

This episode underlines how immature and disorientated professional politicians are. Maybe they should have a congressional hearing on that. Naw, they never get to the truth in those dog and pony shows. But they are better entertainment than cartoons these days.

  • 3 votes
#10 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:45 AM EDT
Stu-4803409

And yet common sense and science tells us that there are causes and effects. They do not always occur instantly, so for example having a complete retard in office for 8 years may well cause rippling economic decay for up to 20 years.

  • 2 votes
#10.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:51 PM EDT
MarkLHolland

To Jim

Did the Repubs want the nation building Wars, to be paid for no, and it is thoughs nation building Wars that helped to Screw us where the sun does not shine, (except at a Nudist camp)

  • 4 votes
#11 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:46 AM EDT
Tjknuckles

you mean those nation building wars the dems were all for as well, I do remember leading dems beating the war drums as well during the build up to both campaigns. No one party is responsible Mark. Until Americans understand the government is working against us rather for us we will continue to have these partisian arguments.

  • 4 votes
#11.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:57 AM EDT
MarkLHolland

To Tj knuckles

And who gave the Dems the information that lead them to believe War was the Way. Bush the Son of Course. He wanted War and falsified the information to convince the Dems that War was necessary.

  • 2 votes
#11.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:20 PM EDT
Tjknuckles

From all of your previous posts you certainly give Bush the son alot of credit concerning power. But have you heard the words that came out of the mouths of senators like kerry, Clinton, Biden et al on the grave situation that Saddam posed to the united States? I do, I can refresh your memory if needed. Also, are you implying that the majority of the dems were duped? who also spoke loudly due to their convictions in favor of the invasion of Iraq? Lets conceded that Iraq for what ever it was, was a bad decision that everyone made, save those who voted against it.

  • 1 vote
#11.3 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 10:04 PM EDT
MarkLHolland

To Tj knuckles

And who was giving them the information that they were using to make those statements.

  • 2 votes
#11.4 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 11:44 PM EDT
AlanA0720

Exactly!

  • 1 vote
#11.5 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 8:31 AM EDT
Tjknuckles

Well until you lefty's have Bush up for Treason all you have are allegations, till then the dems are complicit.

#11.6 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 2:59 PM EDT
CapnBaccus

Hell I've been telling my lawmakers that since 2005! Clap the fiend in irons and call up a detail of six er... I mean 12 peers and a judge.

#11.7 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 5:13 PM EDT
MarkLHolland

The Republicans before losing their majority in Congress passed an Amesty law that granted Bush the Son and his hench men Amesty from all charges. The only way he can be tried and convicted is by the World Court.

  • 2 votes
#11.8 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:05 PM EDT
chgorealtor

It's getting old Mr. Obama. You ineffectivly blew how many trillions of dollars and our unemployment continues to decline. Had you an ounce of leadership experience, run a business, or people in your past, you may understand how simple economics work. Your's is a pathetic argument.

  • 3 votes
#12 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:48 AM EDT
Cycieties

Maybe if bills managed to pass the senate for once, one could say better.

  • 2 votes
#12.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:08 PM EDT
David-1830107

Id like to see the AP list all the pork in the bill personally

  • 1 vote
#13 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:58 AM EDT
ADad-1477522

"Obama blames..." The beginning of the headline has been the same since he was inaugurated. Prior to the inauguration he blamed McCain or the Republican party. I'm wondering when is he gonna get beyond the blaming and start working *for* the people that elected him.

  • 2 votes
#14 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:09 AM EDT
MarkLHolland

To A Dad

He has tried, and the party of No, has been fighting him tooth and nail, to prevent him from helping.

  • 4 votes
#14.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:11 AM EDT
ADad-1477522

Mark:

He has tried, and the party of No

Give it a rest. They r the republican party. The dems have majorities in both US House and US Senate. They shoved thru the healthcare bill and other legislation w/o republicans... Why is it that they need them now??? The dems don't want anything to do with the republicans. The far left insults even the moderates on the right. Yet, they (dems) want the republicans to just blindly vote yay. republicans *read* the legislation before coming out against it.

When was any spending *cut*. When were any pet projects scaled back or canceled on the dems side to pay for legislation (ui comes to mind).

  • 1 vote
#14.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:56 AM EDT
Cycieties

It's called filibuster for a reason. Blocking slows the progress significantly.

  • 5 votes
#14.3 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:09 PM EDT
ADad-1477522

Cycieties:

It's called filibuster for a reason.

The dems r very practiced at using it also.

#14.4 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:44 PM EDT
LawyerInTraining

Not as practiced as your esteemed colleagues, ADad.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/the-rise-of-cloture-how-gop-filibuster-threats-have-changed-the-senate.php

  • 3 votes
#14.5 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:52 PM EDT
ADad-1477522

Lawyer:

That may be true, yet, Look at who has been in *CONTROL* of the Congress:

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm

The democrats have held the gavel more often then the republicans. Filibuster is the only option for stopping the nation from bein' over-run by power hungry individuals.

We were promised by Pelosi that she was gonna clear out the scum (not a direct quote). Yet, see where that has gotten us. She took control of the US House in 2007. Yet, its' been three yrs. Only *now* is Rangel facing possible expulsion. Waters is also in trouble. She's not running a very tight ship.

  • 1 vote
#14.6 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:11 PM EDT
LawyerInTraining

Not sure what you're trying to get at with your link - the link I provided had the same information, coupled with the use of the filibuster. I disagree with your statement that it is being used to stop power hungry individuals - it's being used to stop necessary legislation from being given a vote. If the individual Senators don't like it, they can voice their disapproval by representing their constituents and voting nay.

As for the ethics violations - what can I say, these things take time, and they happen on both sides of the aisle. At least it's happening now. Just out of curiosity, were those on the right known for running a tight ship when they were in power?

  • 3 votes
#14.7 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:03 PM EDT
jim in Duluth

hey Mark- Johnson grew the Viet Nam war to the point we had 500,000 troops there, not the Republicans. Obama increased the # of troops in Afghanistan (didn't he call this the "right" war?) Korea happened on Truman's watch. WW II was all Roosevelt. Plenty of shared responsibility (and I am not saying these wars were-or were not- justifiable; just making my point that it happens on both sides).

Some wars are justifiable. If you do get involved, go in to win as quickly as possible, then get out. Not this crap our guys have to tolerate in Afghanistan that some nimrod in the State Department thought up, to not fire until being fired upon, even if you know where the bad guys are. Our guys are sitting ducks bc of that bs. The enemy neither fears or respects us; they are laughing at us. The reason this war is going on so long is bc of this asinine attitude.

  • 1 vote
#15 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:17 AM EDT
MarkLHolland

To Jim in Duluth

Actually the last justifiable war Prior to Afghanistan was Korea. Viet Nam was not a UN sanctioned war, and the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a set up. And yep the Dems were responsible for that one.

Korea was a UN Sanctioned War, now whether truman pushed for it with the UN or not I have no Idea. WWII like WWI were wars that we never should never have stuck our noses into

Now let me ask you a question, Does the Fact that the Dems have been just as stupid as the Repubs, do a thing to save soldiers lives in Iraq or Afghanistan right now. As for the Good war, Obama I believe would have loved to have washed his hands of both wars the moment he entered office.

But the Repub WarHawks would have started a civil war over it. Which Party demanded the continuation of the Wars, the Dems, no The Repubs, even now if Obama said, ok tommorrow everyone boards planes and comes home, they Repub warhawks would have a fit. Neither party is made up of Saints.

But right now it is the Repubs who are playing the part of Satan. Maybe later it will be the Dems but right now it is the Repubs.

  • 1 vote
#15.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:40 AM EDT
jim in Duluth

Mark- you really should work on your comprehension; you did exactly what I thought you would do. I did not make one comment anywhere about the relative justification of any of those wars. The only comment I made was that if you are going to be in a war, go in to win it, not try to make the sides even so it could be fought "fairly". You fell back into the "my guys picked the good wars, yours picked the bad wars" mentality. Learn to read, then come back and address the issues made...

to address your points, WWI and WWII unjustified? I suppose our commercial ships being sunk and Pearl Harbor should have been ignored; go ahead and say those were our fault...please pass along to me the name of the Comrade that wrote the history books you learned from...

the UN was just as feckless then as it is now. The US sent most troops, and provided the leadership, to execute the war. (PLEASE pay attention: I am not making a statement on its virtue one way or another, just stating a fact). You letting Truman off the hook for any responsibility is consistent, however.

the fact that Viet Nam was "unsanctioned" and escalated by Johnson must be a real comfort to the families of the 60,000+ troops that died there; I'll make sure I pass that along to them. Again, passing the buck for responsibility; it was what it was.

Supposing Obama didn't want to escalate both futile and ridiculous. One of his campaign planks was that theAfghan war was "good". He, with an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress, decided to increase the troop presence in Afghanistan. The policy of the current regime is that our guys can't execute the war in a normal manner, and that is leading to the lengthening of the war and unnecessary US troop deaths. That has nothing to do with whether we belong there or not (just pointing out, other than regarding WW I and WWII, I have made no mention on whether any of these wars were justifiable...I figured that point would be hard for you to see...)....

Both sides share blame, you are right. The difference is you try to find mitigating circumstances for the actions of the Dems...you did it in every case above.

BTW, "Satan"? I am guessing from the use of that term that you are one of the relatively few non-secular liberals around today...better be careful, you'll get booted from that philosophical camp for not following the secular template...we all know how "tolerant" libs are of opposing viewpoints....

#15.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:30 AM EDT
MarkLHolland

To jim in Duluth

Any War that is not fought to protect America itself but is fought for political reasons is a bad war I do not care if it is a Dems war or a Repub war. Korea was the last valid war since it was a UN Sanctioned War, it would not have mattered if the prez was Dem or Repub. The Mexican American war was justified by the cross boarder raids by Poncho Villa.

Plus it was a practice War for our entry into WWI. WWI was a political war, the United States was not under direct threat. Commadore Perry, the Great white Fleet, the movement of the 7th fleet to Hawii, which was within heavy bomber range from America, and Midway Island which was within heavy bomber range of Hawii and Wake Island which was within heavy bomber range of Midway Island, and was within strike range of most of Japans Island bases.

The Japanese believed we were an aggressor nation, that was preparing for a first strike against them, and we gave them every reason to believe that that was true. So they hit first, with a preemptive strike against us. They followed the Bush Doctine long before Bush was ever born, if you believe that a nation is preparing to attack you, you attack first.

Darn hit post by mistake so will have to follow up later.

  • 1 vote
#15.3 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:37 PM EDT
Jeff-Las Vegas

If the bill has no Democrats voting against it ( other than Reid as a procedural matter) and no Republicans voting for it- there should be a message in there. Is it as much as one party not willing to work with the other? pretty obvious it is. You really can not blame it all on one group or the other- neither is talking to each other at all and until that happens, nothing will go forward. The Dems push a bill the Reps do not like and the Reps push a bill the Dems do not like. One bill gets shelved, the other voted on. Is there really any bi-partisanship going on here at all? You would expect some from one party to defect to the other and vice versa but most of the time that is not happening at all, it used to but in today's politics putting the people before politics has gone by the wayside which is why they all need to go and get some people who will sit down and talk to each other.

#16 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:21 AM EDT
Tjknuckles

You would think as a community organizer the President would be able to lick this problem no sweat, but it appears he is even a failure in that accord.

#16.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:35 AM EDT
MarkLHolland

To Tj knuckles

Or the Repubs would rather see this country burn to the ground before allowing anything to be done. Blaming Obama because he can not change the mind of a fanatic, would be like blaming him for not being able to talk the Grand Dragon of the KKK into throwing away his hood, and marrying a black girl. It ain't going to happen.

The Repubs are determined to see the destruction of this country, if they are not the ones in the drivers seat. If we are going to hell in a hand basket, they want to be the ones steering the hand basket.

  • 4 votes
#16.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:45 AM EDT
Tjknuckles

Or the Repubs would rather see this country burn to the ground before allowing anything to be done

Right.

#16.3 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:57 AM EDT
OH BAMA

Typical Obamination, Blame Somebody Else

America will be held hostage while Obummer trys tro pass one bad piece of legislation or policy until he is booted from office

#17 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:29 AM EDT
Matt Berg

What is it about this legislation that is "bad"? I'd be curious to hear specifics.

You are aware that the typically anti-Obama biased US Chamber of Commerce and the NFIB support this bill....right?

  • 3 votes
#17.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:22 AM EDT
billy-witchdoctor-com

Yes Mr. Obama...The Republicans did get in your way...it is why we elected them in office, but please tell us, you are not that ignorant of that fact. You know that we vote in Republicans because we do not want a socialist agenda....Maybe you could go Bill Clinton on America, by working with the Republicans during the last 6 years of his Presidency and had good legislation passed through, and the economy looked good, it did get him a 2nd term.

Your choice to play the Blame game instead of take a leadership role has disapointed the majority of Americans, including those that voted for you...not all, but many. Many of us would respect you(including myself) if you would put on a pair of pants, act like a man , be honest about your agenda....and no wont support a socialist agenda, and will fight it, by making my opinion known and voting against politicians that would support socialism. However I Would at least have respect, because you were honest, cant say I ever felt that way about Carter or Clinton.

This one is up to you, choose the blame game, or stand up take the bull by the horns and risk being wrong. So far you have chosen the Blame game, the path of no repsonsibility. It has made you look weak and incapable of the task at hand. Time to stand up for America.

#18 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:53 AM EDT
Matt Berg

You play the "blame game" when there is "blame" to be given. Frankly, the public isn't overly educated on this stuff and don't have a clue about Senate procedures. Bottom line is, the majority of Senators support the bill, but, the Repubs won't even let it come to a vote because of the silly filibuster rule....this is Republican's democracy?!?!? If Democrats exercised the filibuster the way Republicans have, you'd be hearing about how 'Democrats won't allow democracy to work'....the Repubs are a joke; and what is worse is people believe them even after all the crap they've pulled.

By the way, explain what about this bill is "socialist".

  • 5 votes
#18.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:26 AM EDT
LawyerInTraining

Yes billy-witchdoctor.com...the Democrats are trying to help this country...it is why THE MAJORITY elected them in office, but please tell us YOU are not ignorant of that fact. You know that THE MAJORITY voted in Democrats because they didn't want a continuation of the failed policies of the prior 8 years. Maybe you could go George W. Bush on America by wasting the budget surpluses that were waiting for him when he walked into office, famously having his VP claim that deficits don't matter in order to keep concentrating the wealth at the top.

Your choice to be unwilling to make concessions consummate with your minority party status instead of allowing the will of the majority to be expressed has disappointed and even harmed the majority of Americans. Most Americans (including myself) would respect the Republican party more if they would just put on a pair of pants, act like adults, and allow bills to be voted on. No, won't support the "tax cut create jobs" economic agenda, and will fight it by making my opinion known and voting against politicians working only for the wealthy and corporations. However I would at least have respect because you allowed a vote on the bills and voted against them, reflecting the MINORITY that you represent.

This one is up to you, do what you can to destroy the country and hope enough people are snookered by your bull, or stand up, take the bull by the horns and accept the will of the majority. So far you have chosen to disregard the will of the people, the path of no responsibility. It has made you look like crybabies that can't accept you don't represent the populace. Time to stand up for America.

  • 5 votes
#18.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:36 AM EDT
Stu-4803409

Yes Mr. Obama...The Republicans did get in your way...it is why we elected them in office

Yes the minority of the population elected them to get in the way and prevent anything that would help the middle class, small businesses, or the ill in favor of the top 1% getting another few million in profit, is that is the gist of your post?

  • 4 votes
#18.3 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:59 PM EDT
euterpe-1641499

Glad to see the President holding the GOP goons accountable to their warped rationale. They have been nothing but a hindrance to the recovery.

  • 5 votes
#19 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:55 AM EDT
mike-1789495Deleted
Jack-226423

Unbelievable immaturity from a so- called leader who has created nothing but increased debt and pushes government control. If anyone understands what that means they also understand that his blaming game is childish. Doing what he has done is worse than doing nothing. One day, when the rest of the majority wakes up they will get no sympathy from the rest of us who 'understands corruption' : clear as day.

#21 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:35 AM EDT
Matt Berg

Right, it is really "mature" for Republicans to state right at the beginning of Obama's Presidency that they'll do anything they can to "break him". Somehow, that advances the country forward?

I challenge you to articulate reasoning against the decisions that Obama has had to make this first 19 months....it takes a bit more than saying "socialism" or "marxism" or any other pathetic nonsense that has been spewed by the right.

  • 7 votes
#21.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:42 AM EDT
Michael-784318

Jack...you have your presidents mixed up...Bush got us into this mess. Obama is trying to fix it....Quit listening propaganda and do a little studying on your own.

Ever hear of the Keynesian economic model? It's the same one that got us out of the last GOP depression. It's what Obama's economic team is using now after 30 years of failed GOP laissez faire.

The GOP would rather see the economy fail than fix it.....That way the plutocracy they work for can then take what is left of this nation's wealth.

  • 5 votes
#21.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:59 AM EDT
CuriousG

.it takes a bit more than saying "socialism" or "marxism" or any other pathetic nonsense that has been spewed by the right.

After 8 years of failure and near economic collapse from their own plans and policies, that appears to be all they have.

  • 5 votes
#21.3 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:16 PM EDT
RobPlumley

You know, the seed is about blaming the GOP for preventing the bill to get to the floor to vote.

This bill was a priority for Republicans and was co-written by Dems and Repubs. The monies would be offset to fund this small-business tax-break loan bill.

The issue is that Reid did not want any amendments that were not germane to the bill. Reid eventually allowed 3 of them, and when Mitch McConnell ask why are we (the minority) not allowed to amend this bill, and when the Senator from Louisiana asked how many is how many, Mitch (for Big Business Only and for the most Wealthy) walked off.

Like the Congressmen Weiner ripping King and his other a-hole republicans a new one, Reid decided to vote no to bring it up again, and thus be able to bring it back to the floor.

The whole point of the story is why the GOP continues to drag their feet on a bill to help the part of the economy that generates the most jobs - small business - now that the financial system has been saved and is now being regulated more prudently.

The reason, as I can see, is that the GOP does not want any successes from President Obama or the majority in the house and senate. A shame when one puts their allegiance to their party above the country - which I may say is in violation to the oath they all took.

So, is President Obama correct in saying that the GOP is holding small-businesses hostage to much needed capital?

After looking at the bill and the stance the GOP has taken, I would say yes. End of story.

If this is the party you want to win more seats to either take control, and basically do nothing, or simply cause more delays to changes needed for the US, then vote for them. If not - indicating you want the Congress and Senate to function, then don't vote for them.

  • 4 votes
#22 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:03 PM EDT
CuriousG

As I understand it, this is a loan guarantee fund, not a give away. So, I'm confused about what Republicans are saying needs to be paid for?

One reason the economic recovery is sluggish, is banks are hesitant to loan money businesses need to fund growth.

  • 3 votes
#22.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:20 PM EDT
Michael-784318

I hope that small business owners know that the GOP is not now, or ever has been their friend. The GOP works for the big corporations and bankers. The rich and richer. The Plutocracy. They don't give a damn about small business owners and care even less about American workers.

We are in the midst of a 30 year class war against American workers and small business owners and the wealthy are winning the battle because they're the only ones who have agreed on a game plan.

  • 6 votes
#23 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:07 PM EDT
Matt Berg

Very well said!

  • 2 votes
#23.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:19 PM EDT
David-1830107

Blame everyone else and not talk about the pork in the bill BO.....

#24 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:37 PM EDT
Matt Berg

What pork are you referring to?

  • 1 vote
#24.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:51 PM EDT
Michael-784318

Matt....Have you noticed whenever you put one of these hate-mongers to the test of having to back up their claims you get.....nothing. They are like their mentors, Limbaugh and Beck, full of hot air and hatred.

  • 4 votes
#24.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:55 PM EDT
Matt Berg

Michael..

You're correct...and I have honestly wanted to engage these folks in a conversation, because I want to make sure I'm not making my decisions based on bias. Heck I've been wrong before. However, whenever it comes to reason/logic...I quite literally hear nothing....and I mean that, NOTHING. It is the same mantra over and over..they'll use buzzwords like "socialism" or "regime" and none of it is justified.

That is one of the most frustrating things to deal with...we're trying to have a conversation with someone who is not interested in having one. Much like Obama, who has tried working with Republicans this year and a half, and they have no interest working with him. Very, very sad.

  • 5 votes
#24.3 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
Michael-784318

Matt, this is the end result of 23 years without the Fairness Doctrine, which was round filed by Ronald Reagan. Since then there has been sustained pro-corporate, pro-plutocracy propaganda coming from Rush Limbaugh and the talking heads on Fox news.

The propaganda has done exactly what it set out to do, divide Americans. This division has kept the little people at each other's throats, unable to agree on an agenda. In the meantime the plutocracy has raped and pilaged this country and stolen the wealth of the middle class.

As long as the people can be divided there will never be a class struggle to gain back the losses that have occured in the past 30 years to working Americans.

When 1% of the nation owns nearly 50% of the wealth and 10 percent owns 90% of the wealth, those in control will continue to use their most effective weapon against the 90% who are getting poorer by the day, propaganda. Propaganda is designed to keep the people from uprising against their oppressors. So far it is working very well.

  • 2 votes
#24.4 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:09 PM EDT
Matt Berg

Michael....Very insightful. It's sickening to see how many of the "regular folk" (like me) the right wing is able to fool into voting for them...it happens every election, a large proportion of voters will willingly vote against their best interest and in the interest of some failed ideology.

Democrats have all the facts and all the statistics on their side showing they are the party of the middle class.

Republicans have all the fear and all of the worst element of people on their side (selfishness, greed etc.)...and they're not afraid to exploit it.

I do believe that in time, the facts and statistics will be too much to overcome...even with a right wing based media. There is a reason the younger generations overwhelmingly vote Democratic.

  • 2 votes
#24.5 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:51 PM EDT
CuriousG

I do believe that in time, the facts and statistics will be too much to overcome...even with a right wing based media.

Unfortunately, research show this isn't the case. When conservatives are presented with the truth after believing a falsehood, they tend to more strongly believe the falsehood.

The Power of Political Misinformation

  • 2 votes
#24.6 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:14 PM EDT
servus_aus_tex

It's economic blackmail. Withhold the money to the little guys, in hopes of making them so miserable during the time Obama is in office, in the hope that it will cause them to vote for the Republicans in the next election.

  • 4 votes
#25 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:58 PM EDT
ADad-1477522

servus:

That's a tad cynical, isn't it???

  • 1 vote
#25.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:14 PM EDT
mike lonkouski

Hell it's only $30 billion, why not make it $300 billion, it still won't change a thing.

Does anyone care about how we have bailed out businesses, banks, added entitlements, extended unemployment, and spent trillions doing so, and yet, we still need another emergency $30 billion for banks to lend?

Does anyone wonder where all this money is going?

Sweet Jesus! How much god damned money do we need to spend, in order to spend our way out of the recession?

@!$%# it, make $300 trillion, what the difference?

  • 1 vote
#25.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:21 PM EDT
CuriousG

in the hope that it will cause them to vote for the Republicans in the next election.

And, some of them will because of our very short memories.

  • 1 vote
#25.3 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:30 PM EDT
Stu-4803409

Does anyone wonder where all this money is going?

Sweet Jesus! How much god damned money do we need to spend, in order to spend our way out of the recession?

You bring up an amazingly good point. The real crux is not necessarily the amount spent but that its going to the wrong people. We bailed out spoiled careless millionaires instead of going straight to the demand side stimulus that would have made a difference. There is not going to be a real recovery until the average person on main street has enough cash in their pocket to go keep a few local businesses open and encourage hiring of new employees. Giving money to the bank just gives them more capital to use as leverage against the rest of us.

  • 5 votes
#25.4 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:25 PM EDT
mike lonkouski

I concur 100% Stu, a first for us I suspect.

  • 2 votes
#25.5 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:32 PM EDT
Stu-4803409

Naw there have been a few others

  • 2 votes
#25.6 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:51 PM EDT
mike lonkouski

;~)

  • 1 vote
#25.7 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:06 PM EDT
The Realist Party

Yeah, because it's their fault. And the problem with that is?

  • 2 votes
#26 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:22 PM EDT
Michael-784318

What is a realist? And what do you mean?

#26.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:26 PM EDT
The Realist Party

What is a realist?

A realist is someone who exist within the realm of reality at least 90% of the time. Having said that, most of the Americans I encounter do not qualify.

And what do you mean?

What I mean is, that is the minority (for a reason) party's (i.e. republicons) asinine behavior is the reason why this a most legislation goes to the Senate with a arbitrary death sentence before it gets there. Republicons LOVE to talk about kissing "small" businesses a$$ verbally, but when it comes to actually helping them they are quite elusive.

  • 5 votes
#26.2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:00 PM EDT
BIGTIMEj

everyone thinks their a realist, it is a stupid concept, who says "I am not a realist, I perfer not reality". Guess what everybody can't be a realist but everyone can fine something that fits their frame of thinking.

#26.3 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 2:48 AM EDT
BIGTIMEj

you are right about republicans when you own the message you can lie and say you support this, but their legislation doesn't support small business

  • 2 votes
#26.4 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 2:49 AM EDT
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