Rush fired back telling Reid to "say it to my face" and saying Reid "has to be a nut." He said on his radio show today, "Ladies and gentlemen, in the last half hour, Harry Reid took to the floor of the Senate and proceeded to spend five-to-seven minutes denouncing me, spreading the smear that started last week on this phony soldiers business. He has prepared a letter to be sent to the CEO of the company that syndicates this program, and that letter he asked as many senators as possible to sign, offering them the opportunity to demand of my syndicator that I be condemned for something that I did not say, which Harry Reid knows I did not say."
I tell you that this past week the Democrats should have been on tv in the wee hours as it was like Dems Gone Wild or something. First we had the spectacle of the senile Bobby Byrd letting the moonbats take over his hearing and now this Harkin/Reid three ring circus. Too funny.
You posted a comment full of attacks at the top of the thread for no other reason than to get attention, I think I'll leave the other two. Notice how I get my points across without having to attack you.
I will readily give you this, ajs. Of all the rightwingers I have debated against on Newsvine that I can think of (Tom Bombadil, Bill Harrison, Bodhi1, daweb, Shawn Gordon, Independent Voter with Republican leanings, Observer, etc.) you are the only one I have seen that has not resorted to insults while debating. I may be wrong but I have yet to see an insult from you. Good for you, my friend.
Thanks for thinking of me there, MH. And, of all the leftwingers I have debated against on Newsvine that I can think of who have not resorted to insults while debating against them, you are not one of them. It works both ways, amigo. ;-)
First thanks for the kind comment Mubarak, I do appreciate it.
Second, I assure you that I have stepped over the line here at the vine, as I am sure most of us have. But I do try very hard to watch carefully what I say and mainly to treat others as I would want to be treated, I can't take credit for this idea.
In my experience I have had a much better time here sticking to this rule and not feeling bad the next day for saying something stupid.
Oh please, Tom, and مبارك. I can take almost anything from Conservatives. I've been in Iraq. I've also been in Afghanistan. I don't have to endure Rush Limbaugh calling anyone a Phony Solider, a corpulent little sodomite who was manifestly a draft dodger, something about a Pilonidal Cyst. Fake Soldier my fat ass. I've got a CIB, not a 4-F deferment, and I think this war is fundamentally un-winnable in its current configuration. Does this make my scorn for Rush Limbaugh worthy of deletion, just because Mr. AJS thinks I'm being a Big Old Meanie?
You gotta relax, you could have posted your original comment at the end of the thread where it belonged and we would have had no problem, but instead you posted it right up top where it did not belong, I'm sure you understand my explanation.
Are you attempting at this point to justify deleting my post, AJS?
You do not thank me for my service. Save that bilge for someone else who might actually take you seriously, for I do not. You are, in point of fact, attempting to serve the cause of a DRAFT DODGING PILONIDAL CYST INFESTED LOWLIFE SCUMBAG. Am I making myself clear here?
Save that bilge for someone else who might actually take you seriously, for I do not. You are, in point of fact, attempting to serve the cause of a DRAFT DODGING PILONIDAL CYST INFESTED LOWLIFE SCUMBAG. Am I making myself clear here?
Yeah you have made yourself perfectly clear to me, you are very angry and as of this have decided to personally attack anyone you disagree with, am I wrong?
You do not thank me for my service.
Actually I do, and I will say it again, thank you BlaiseP for your service in our military, while we disagree on many issues I have no problem putting this aside and thanking you for what you have done.
Yes I am intensely angry at Rush Limbaugh, and I find you to be the quintessence of what's wrong with this country. You think soldiers who disagree with this war are Phony Soldiers. I am just such a soldier, or was, and I'll thank you not to thank me any more, for I neither want nor need thanks from the likes of you. You might do Newsvine the favor of deleting this entire article, though that will not happen, on that everyone who reads this can bet their last dollar.
You have personally attacked me by deleting my post, and I will not appeal it. Yet I have my own following here, and they read me. You cannot, in the immortal words of Jack Nicholson, "handle the truth". This war, in very many ways, was the wrong war. It was, as was my own war, entered upon the basis of a pack of lies, and continues on the premise that abandoning it will produce a worse war. That may well be true, but this much I will say and will not be gainsaid: Rush Limbaugh and his Dittoheads, of which you seem to be in the vanguard, have never actually contemplated the cost of what will follow this war. An entire generation of PTSD soldiers, destined as was my generation of soldiers, for a lifetime of trauma. Do not thank me or any other soldier, we didn't fight for you. We fought and died for each other. We're the Phony Soldiers Rush Limbaugh tells us about.
We didn't fight for you. So shut up about Phony Soldiers. You don't have the right to talk about us, and neither does Rush Limbaugh.
I will readily give you this, ajs. Of all the rightwingers I have debated against on Newsvine that I can think of (Tom Bombadil, Bill Harrison, Bodhi1, daweb, Shawn Gordon, Independent Voter with Republican leanings, Observer, etc.) you are the only one I have seen that has not resorted to insults while debating. I may be wrong but I have yet to see an insult from you. Good for you, my friend.
Hey, I'm generally a sweetheart. I am the only conservative who has told people that hugs are free. Do you need a hug?
Blaise, I've repeatedly thanked you for your service and honored you for it. If Rush Limbaugh had said that actual soldiers who opposed the war were "phony," then I would join you in attacking him.
That's not what he said.
Rush may indeed have been unable to serve in the military, but he has proven himself to be a stalwart friend of the military for many years and has been honored as such. Senator Warner, who is no fan of the war, called Rush a patriot this week and a friend of the military. He agreed that Rush did not say what has been inferred.
As someone who actually listens to Rush's program 2-3 times per week, I know that Rush and many others have been addressing the Macbeth situation for a long time, as have others. It's been a frame of reference that Rush and his listeners have understood. Without that context, people who only know about Rush through Media Matters, DailyKos, or Olbermann could naturally be confused or misled.
Disagree with him all you want. Get angry at some of his more outrageous bluster. But do not be misled into believing that Rush Limbaugh said that real soldiers (not fabricated ones) who disagree with the war or the President are "phony soldiers."
The way in which Hillary's hit squad at Media Matters has distorted and driven this phony issue and spoonfed it to the leftist lackeys in the Senate such as Reid and Harkin is the real scandal here. (Reid, of course, being the person who has repeatedly said over the past year - while our men and women are still on the field of battle - that their efforts have "failed." Harkin, of course, being the person who claimed to have flown combat missions over North Vietnam only to later have to correct his story to reflect the reality, which was that he did no such thing.)
One more thing: you call him a sodomite. You base that, I assume, on the baseless slander that is peddled on some of the more hysterical leftist sites. Those rumors, and the haters who spread them, are disgraceful.
I am constantly amused that the left, who purport to be so tolerant and broad-minded, when confronted with conservatives such as Limbaugh and Coulter, immediately resort to calling them gay or lesbian ... as an insult.
I repeatedly addressed this on another thread, but when I linked it to this thread as a reference, some crank accused me of "trying to get hits" on my seed. Like I care about "hits"? Anyway, if you want to read it, you can search it out. There are transcripts and links and a lot of heated debate over there too.
Bottom line, the mainstream media can lie loudly about it, the jackass Reid can bray about it, Olbermannnnnn can vomit about it, but it doesn't make their statements true and it won't force me into submission or silence.
If the Left continues with this onslaught (what's been done to Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Clarence Thomas, et al this week), you are going to finally rouse Conservatives out of their stupor and slumber.
Why would you do it? You've got the Repubs on the ropes thanks to their own incompetence, greed, power madness, personal moral failures, and malaise. You guys could win the next election in a cakewalk and get everything you want if you show just a modicum of class and restraint. But the lying and the bullying and the bragging and the threatening that some on the left are engaging in right now can come back to haunt you later. Republicans and conservatives know that from experience.
Oh please, Tom, and مبارك. I can take almost anything from Conservatives. I've been in Iraq. I've also been in Afghanistan. I don't have to endure Rush Limbaugh calling anyone a Phony Solider, a corpulent little sodomite who was manifestly a draft dodger, something about a Pilonidal Cyst. Fake Soldier my fat ass. I've got a CIB, not a 4-F deferment, and I think this war is fundamentally un-winnable in its current configuration. Does this make my scorn for Rush Limbaugh worthy of deletion, just because Mr. AJS thinks I'm being a Big Old Meanie?
Delete this one, AJS. Go ahead.
Hey ajs
This is interesting.
Here on this thread BlaiseP said that he was in Laos in 1971 fighting the commies. Here is what he said:
Yes I was. Lam Son 719 was fought directly south of where I was positioned. When the NVA began to reinforce in strength at Tchepone, a variety of idiots, both RSVN and US wanted to wage an airmobile campaign to root them out. It was an unmitigated disaster. The only sound approach was to have carpet bombed Tchepone, as we did to the NVA in Cambodia.
In order to be in Laos in January of 1971 you would have had to have gone into the military probably no earlier than sometime in 1969 as they only sent special forces and units like the First Air Commando's into that area (My uncle was the Chief Armorer of the A1-E Skyraiders that flew in this area earlier in the war [First Air Commandos, "Hobos"] and my Brother was in in the 1st Cav during Tet and my cousin in the Alabama ANG 117th Tac Recon before Desert Shield was organized flew recon in F4-s from Alabama to Saudi and then into Kuwait).
Going into the military in 69 and then to Iraq and Afganistan would mean that he was in the military for well over 33 years for Afland and 34 years for Iraq.
That is an impressive military career. Care to elaborate on that career?
Why would you do it? You've got the Repubs on the ropes thanks to their own incompetence, greed, power madness, personal moral failures, and malaise. You guys could win the next election in a cakewalk and get everything you want if you show just a modicum of class and restraint. But the lying and the bullying and the bragging and the threatening that some on the left are engaging in right now can come back to haunt you later. Republicans and conservatives know that from experience.
It is weird isn't it that they would pick this to fight over. Limbaugh's support for the troops over the years has been incredibly strong and the context of the comment is so inconsequential in the end that the whole affair smacks of an orchestrated attack, planned in advance.
Why?
Frustration?
I think that the moveon.org folks know that Mr. Limbaugh has been effective at countering their own onslaughts and now seeks to do whatever they can to silence that voice of opposition. God help us all if this is what we are devolving into.
The fact that you use the term "bloviators of hate" lead me to believe that you have received all your information about Rush Limbaugh from outside biased sources and have never fact checked for yourself, if you never question your beliefs then are they really yours?
I listen most days and can assure you that there is no hate mongering of any kind, and I can not remember the last time he yelled, how exactly are you exposed to Rush.
I've questioned my beliefs many times--how many DIttoheads can say they same?
And I would argue that this also is a great misconception, All the "ditto heads" I know are very well informed, do you plan on answering any of my questions or are you just going to continue to bash Rush and his listeners?
ajs, you don't think his calling Obama "Osama" and playing that "magic negro" song over and over is hate?
No, I can't recall him calling Obama Osama, but I do recall the first time he played the magic negro parody, it really is pretty simple, he was not mocking Obama for his race, he was mocking an LA times writer for using the term and getting away with it.
All I can say is that there is a great misconception of Rush Limbaugh by people who do not listen to the show, and then take Media Matters as gospel. I would bet that if these people (I'm not calling out anyone specifically) actually tuned in they would be very surprised by what the show actually is.
I still do not understand how you can say he peddles hate, do you remember what he said? Did he call people "bloviators", did he say that people that follow the democrats lack "independent thought and ideas", did he question the credibility of people he disagrees with?
Jones Girl, I listen to Rush 2-3 times a week. Rush is relentlessly self-deprecating and surprisingly maverick when it comes to his views on the Republican party (suprising to those who have not spent much time listening to him themselves, that is). Rush's show is entertainment, in addition to information.
It is fairly standard leftist talking points when insulting Rush Limbaugh to also insult the millions who listen to him. What are the facts to support the assertion that all or even most of Rush's listeners are stupid or simple-minded? The "Dittohead" knickname comes from the catchphrase that some of Rush's listeners popularized years ago ... giving him a hearty "ditto" when they called to agree with him. But that doesn't mean they are mindless robots or parrots.
Speaking of parrots, you may be interested to know that Jimmy Buffett's fans don't actually have "parrot heads." Fans of the Green Bay Packers do not actually have heads made of cheese. And, followers of the Grateful Dead amazingly have heads that are at least marginally alive. ;-)
Stereotypes can sometimes come back to bite. Imagine if I slammed all San Franciscans just because some in the SF city government apparently loathe the US military or because of the obscene and blasphemous parody of "The Last Supper" at the Folsom Street Fair. That wouldn't be right.
ajs, this is ONE example of his calling Obama Osama...and there is no reference to Kennedy here.
From the September 20 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:
"LIMBAUGH: Well, we've got another tape from -- I get these guys confused -- Usama bin Laden. Another tape says he's going to invade Pakistan and declare war on Pakistan and Musharraf, which, ladies and gentlemen, puts him on the same page with a Democrat presidential candidate -- that would be Barack "Uss-Obama." And let's go back to August 1st: "U-Bama" gave a speech on counterterrorism, and here's a portion of what he said."
And the Magic Negro tape is used over and over and over on his show; just as he used to play "Movin' on Up" whenever mentioning Carol Moseley Braun. And just as he suddenly is incapable of pronouncing the word "ask" when he speaks about a black person (saying "aks" instead).
But no, he's not racist; just taken out of context. LOL LOL. At least have the courage of your convictions!
He compares Osama to Obama because they both spoke of invading Afghanistan and this is racists? How is that racists?
And the Magic Negro tape is used over and over and over on his show; just as he used to play "Movin' on Up" whenever mentioning Carol Moseley Braun. And just as he suddenly is incapable of pronouncing the word "ask" when he speaks about a black person (saying "aks" instead).
And I still luagh my ass off when I hear the Magic Negro parody, not because it mocks Obama bu t because it mocks the LA times, you will have to fill me in with some links to your other points because I do not recall either, maybe this was before my time listening to the show.
I call him racist because he is racist. Plain and simple. If you can find me examples of Rush Limbaugh DEFENDING black people from racism, well, have at it.
In the meantime, I think "Jeff Christie" is feeling the sting of karma.
Rush could prove he's no racist once an' f'r all. Come out an' endorse Obama f'r President. Betther yet, donate lots of money t' his campaign. That'd convince me. 'Till then I will be siftin' through th' Oxycontin cartons lookin' f'r the laundhry box his white hood back came in.
LOL. Having a black person on staff doesn't make a person NON-racist. But telling a black person who calls into your show to "take the bone out of your nose" and shifting into pseudo-ebonics when talking about black people certainly does. Hey, you listen to the show too. You know what I'm talking about.
As for me being a tool, maybe I am. But I'm certainly not the one who revels in playing "Moving on Up" when mentioning the first black Congresswoman.
But telling a black person who calls into your show to "take the bone out of your nose" and shifting into pseudo-ebonics when talking about black people certainly does
No, I'm talking about Rush's racism and hatred. Such as the "Moving on Up" theme and saying "aks".
On the hatred theme, don't you find it hilariously ironic that Rush said this about Kurt Cobain, when he himself is a drug addict?
"Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentleman, I just--he was a worthless shred of human debris..." (TV show, 4/11/94)
Plus the fact that it's just a disgusting thing to say about a young man he'd never met. But please, onward with the defenses. They are funny. I love watching grown men defend the Britney Spears of radio.
i dont care if he was mocking the times.. the magic negro is offensive and shouldnt have been on his shouldnt. And yous guys were all over that senator that called him clean, which also was offensive, you blindness to this offense shows your faux partisan outrage.
"He compares Osama to Obama because they both spoke of invading Afghanistan and this is racists? How is that racists?"
OOO please.
and for your letter from a lib that is priceless "I have been drawn to the side of conservatism in human action, instead of big government help. The fact that I am a visual artist is even harder for me to agree with the conservative views because liberals get so much government money for art.
lol like the last gop congress the most expensive in us history. And sorry i dont know to many artists living high on the hog on government handouts. You'll have to show me the non starving artists.
Er...Joules, who are "you guys" that you are referring to?
And, if you are referring to Joe Biden calling Obama "clean," I accepted Biden's explanation of that remark. Most thinking Americans with a memory know that back in the 1950s and 1960s, a person who was really smart, good looking, and charismatic would be called things such as "sharp" and "clean." That's all it meant. It was a compliment.
Given that language and slang change with the times, it was probably ill-advised of Biden to use the term, but it was in NO way racist. Again, a person's intent and the context of their remarks are always important to consider. Biden explained it, he was truthful, and most Americans understood and moved on. Obama certainly did.
Where did it go? I mean it was a HUGE success story...wasn't it? LOL!
Every d*mn liberal in America is hopping mad that they don't have anyone talented to spread their message on the radio that can't go five minutes without truly insulting someone.
Seriously! Al Franken??? How high do you have to be to listen to that hate-spewing and vulgar *celeb*???
No matter how much money George Soros threw into that sinking ship, even HE couldn't buy the ratings to justify keeping that drivel on the air. Even the libs stopped listening.
It's rampant jealousy of the liberal kind. Plain and simple.
Besides: Harry Reid is an ingnorant, pompous blow-hard. Who really gives a tinkers d*mn what he thinks or says anyway? Remember: We "lost the war" after-all...What a clown!
"I apologize if btb took it as a personal attack. If so, I request it be deleted. "
Not at all, Bodhi. Thanks for the apology, but it isn't necessary. I know how you meant it and I'm a big girl. I'm not a delicate flower that needs defending from big strong men like Rush.
Hey, I offer you a transcript of the whole thing compared with a transcript of what Rush claimed was the whole thing. Rush is hardly going to call himself a liar now is he?
I listen most days and can assure you that there is no hate mongering of any kind.
Of course there isn't. Rush gives th' hate away f'r free!!! It's th' Viagra an' th' "rare civil war gold coins" an' th' 1-800-FLOWERS an' all th' other crap he advartizes that ye have t' pay f'r! Hate is pretty cheap these days, especially right-wing hate, what with th' glut in th' market an' all, so ye'll not be able to sell it at anny price. But ye can give it away as a way of sayin' "Feck ye for buyin' our fine advartizers' goods an' sarvices!"
If ye click on th' clip in the link Djehunty provided ye can see Rush Limbaugh's lips actually sayin' th' things Media Matter says he was sayin'.
Nowhere d'ye see th' hands of George Soros shtuck up Rush's arse loike an evil puppetmaster.
Which can lead t' th' wan conclusion only: Rush Limbaugh said anny an' all soldiers who disagree with the American policy in Iraq (an' roughly half t' two-thirds of all soldiers or recent veterans do disagree with it) are "phony soldiers."
That's th' thrue neoconsarvative "fûck th' throops" attitude comin' out in th' sunshine f'r all t' gaze at an' be uttherly disapp'inted with. That's th' thrue "war is good f'r other people's childhern t' die in so I can get rich" attitude that is on display, finally. That's th' depths of disgoostin' talkin', naked an' unalloyed consarvative-racist-chauvinistic-jingo clapthrap, bullyin' annyone who disagrees with him because 'tis always "Fûck ye Jack I've got mine" with Rush an' his ilk.
Pathriot, ye say?! Rush wouldn't know thrue pathtriotism if it crept up an' bit him on his surgically modifed arse! Rush couldn't give a tinker's dam about what's good f'r Americans or America. 'Tis only when 'tis good f'r his small an' selfish clique that he says 'tis good f'r Americans. When 'tis good for America but not good f'r him, then watch him bloviate an' howl, as he is doin' right now. Give 'im hell, Harry!
still, it is interesting to note the incredible rush the democrats made in attempting to smear limbaugh as "anti-troops" without any modicum of fact checking
He's only anti-troops if the troops are not from his political ideology. For example, he isn't very kind to Kerry, and I doubt he has nice things to say about Max Cleland....
But they don't count as "troops", because they are filthy libruls, right?
Larry who?? We all know that reality has a liberal bias. Catchy slogans, especially the ones that betray the lack of subtance they are trying to hide, have a neocon bias.
He's only anti-troops if the troops are not from his political ideology.
Just another misconception, When he went to Afghanistan (last year I think) he commented that there where troops that he met with that did not hold his same beliefs, but he still met with them to talk about the war and still commented on the fact on air, that is the stuff you will not get from Media Matters.
Whatever he said last year is not what he said the other day; he specifically brought up the fact that troops that have signed up over the past four years KNOW what they are getting into. That has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesse MacBeth and everything to do with passing judgment on soldiers that are against the war.
He needs to be a man about this, if he can come off of the drugs long enough to own up to it.
Wow, there are so many misconceptions flying around. Proof that we are fighting an uphill battle as conservatives thanks to the brutal leftist hegemony that has the mainstream media and the core of the Democratic party under their thumbs - so much misinformation out there!
OK, first of all, Rush didn't criticize actual soldiers - he criticized an actual "phony." Conservatives do not say that military personnel cannot legitimately criticize the war or the President, and Rush didn't say that. This is has been proven clearly and definitively and yet the filthy LIARS at Media Matters who distort and take quotes out of context (because so many people are so deprived of the ability to focus on anything more than a 10 second sound bite) continue to peddle this story - and weasels like Harry Reid and Tom Harkin pick it up and run with it.
Secondly, there is NOTHING WRONG with criticizing John Kerry or Max Cleland based upon facts, issues, or policies. Every American should honor those men for their service, but that doesn't make them immune from criticism. And, in the case of Kerry, he betrayed his brothers in the military when he came home and repeatedly made the statements that he made. That can, should, and will be criticized.
I have no problem with soldiers complaining about Kerry. I have a problem with a man with a boil on his rear end who came right out and said he did NOT want to go to Vietnam criticizing soldiers.
How about the facts concerning phony soldiers fighting against this war? Those are facts. There are fake soldiers making up stories to convince people to be against the war.
Now, what facts are the MoveOn.org ass-kissers in Congress using?
So.... "Mike from Chicago" was a phony? Jesse Macbeth did change his name?
Because that was who the caller was responding to. I'd go and get the transcript, but we all know transcripts have a "liberal bias".
But don't worry everybody! Rush has taken it upon himself to show the troops just how much he respects them! By editing his own clip and airing it on Armed Forces Network! Support the troops by treating them like idiots! Your tax dollars hard at work!
Someone above tried to do a slam on Air America, and I just have to say that always amuses me. How many times has Rush visited the troops he supports so much over there? Because Al Frankin gets over there a few times a year for shows, and was doing so long before Rush decided it was "trendy" (and by "trendy" I mean "very profitable for him") to "Support the Troops" (and by "Support the Troops", I mean calling them phonies and lying to them).
But all this is neither here or there, even though it's amusing to see Tom flip out and start making parallels to Niemöller. The point to all of this - don't use congress to @!$%# with our freedom of speech. Because it could very well be turned back around at you. But you guys didn't stop to think about that one, did you? Nope. Stickin' it to some liberals over MoveOn was way more important than say, thinking actually about the very scary precedent you were setting in congress in regards to speech. Grab a mirror and take a seat guys. You brought this on yourself, and while Rush's pockets might get fatter but you are not - your credibility has waned considerably.
That would be me, Stacy. And I STILL think is frackin' hilarious! :-))
I can't speak to the point you laid out as to Rush not visiting the troops because I hardly ever listen to him unless I'm in the car (not too often), nor can I say the same about Al Franken for that matter; I wouldn't listen to his drivel if I had a pre-frontal lobotomy to be quite blunt about it.
But that wasn't my point IF you actually read my comment.
My point was this (in a nutshell): Rush is still on the air with no sight of him going anywhere anytime soon, and Air America was such a joke - even to liberals who STOPPED LISTENING - that they went off the air no matter how much money Soros threw into that failed endeavor, and y'all are still sore about it, regardless.
Liberals talk often how they "need a Rush of our own" to counter him, yet, no one in your ideology can hold a candle to him on a good day. Air America proved that much to the world. Y'all are just bitter and jealous I think.
Um, Air America is still on th' air. Randi Rhodes beats Rush in many markets. She's a lot like Rush, only with bigger balls. F'r instance, in this case, she has the missing 2 minutes of Rush's tape on her website. This is th' 2 minutes where Rush first accuses soldiers against th' war of bein' "phony soldiers."
Ewwww smells like a lyin' sack of sh!te.
Whatever you say, Limbaugh is an expert at brainwashing his sheeple followers into thinking that whatever emanates forth from his orifices is the truth. I personally know sheeple that swear by him and believe he is next only to God.
He made a mistake in calling our troops phony, and now he knows that the world knows that he does not really support the troops. He only supports money (and drugs of course) and anything is fair game in attaining more of it. @!$%# the troops. That is his mentality.
I wonder why he loves money so much that in his greed, he hates America so much? And does that mean that his followers and devotees also hate America so much?
I've listened to his show; until sometime around 2002 I was a Bush supporter and though I can't even stomach the idea now, I actually LIKED HANNITY. I listened occasionally to Limbaugh, but I could clearly see he was a bit on the irrational side. Suddenly, the events surrounding 9/11 - the sickening use of dead Americans as a political tool, the way the war was handled, and many, many other things, I started to see that the republican party I'd been RAISED with wasn't what they were cracked up to be.
I know all of the tomfoolery surrounding Rush and his love for that Magic Negro song, too. What kills me is he is so rebellious and in your face with that garbage, and will lie through his teeth that that doesn't make him racist.
He and the bulk of his followers are low creatures.
No not at all, I would have to disagree with this statement and all the personal attacks you threw in there.
I've never been a fan of Hannity, not sure why you liked him.
I listened occasionally to Limbaugh, but I could clearly see he was a bit on the irrational side.
Can you give an example so I can better understand? Or what ever you can recall.
He and the bulk of his followers are low creatures.
Why the attacks Mubarak? Surely from this thread you can see that I am a listener, I hope you are not implying this towards me, what would lead you to believe this?
I think you are confusing me for someone else. Only the first line you quoted is mine. The rest are not. Suggest you go through them again and you'll see who wrote what.
Limbaugh said this once:
“The feminist movement was created to allow ugly women access to the mainstream of society”
No, I think its funny and I think that is why he said it. I also do not believe that he was implying that all feminist are ugly, he is an entertainer first.
I think its funny and I think that is why he said it.
That is some weird logic, my friend.
In any case, given that you think Limbaugh is not bigoted or has made bigoted statements in the past, looks like your definition of bigotry is something else from the norm. So, can't argue with you on this no more.
Of course he's bigoted; that can't even really be a question in anyone's mind; at least not in the mind of anyone who is honest.
"Aks"?
As far as irrationality, I'd like to remind you of what this man says about "liberals", which to Rush is anyone left of extreme right. He calls them long-haired, dope-smoking, maggot-infested...now dope-smoking is hilarious coming from someone on drugs himself! That, my dear man, is irrational.
Whatever you say, Limbaugh is an expert at brainwashing his sheeple followers into thinking that whatever emanates forth from his orifices is the truth. I personally know sheeple that swear by him and believe he is next only to God.
LOLOLOL, yeah, right.
"Whatever you say...." That means, no matter what the truth is or what anyone could say about it, you will insist on sticking to your story. Fine, big surprise there.
Perhaps you should listen more to Rush yourself or get to know some of his listeners personally. I know, you're afraid if you listen, you might get brainwashed, but I am confident, MH, that you are smart enough to avoid falling under his spell.
The average Rush listener is actually well-educated, actively informed on history, news, and current events, independant-minded, and outspoken. That means, when they don't agree with Rush - even if they like him - they will call him out on the air. Every day that I've ever heard the show, many times per show, I hear this from callers: "Rush, I love ya, but I gotta disagree with you on this ...." And, since many of Rush Limbaugh's listeners are people who believe in a real God, they don't make the mistake of substituting a false god (though he may be entertaining).
It's very easy for you or others to cut and paste a few out-of-context or inaccurate or incomplete quotes from Media Matters or one of the thousands of blogspots out there dedicated to destroying Rush. But, I dare each one of you to listen to Rush for just 10 minutes per day for the rest of this week, or visit his www.rushlimbaugh.com website and do a little reading for yourself. You may disagree with everything that you will hear or read, but at least you will get a better sense of the man's intelligence, which is more formidable than you've been led to believe.
One other note: when Al Gore's son got into trouble recently for drug problems, Limbaugh spoke out immediately on the air expressing his empathy with the young man, sharing about his own battle with addiction to perscription pain killers, and asking his listeners to be respectful and prayerful for the Gore family.
"Perhaps you should listen more to Rush yourself or get to know some of his listeners personally. I know, you're afraid if you listen, you might get brainwashed, but I am confident, MH, that you are smart enough to avoid falling under his spell.
The average Rush listener is actually well-educated, actively informed on history, news, and current events, independant-minded, and outspoken. That means, when they don't agree with Rush - even if they like him - they will call him out on the air. Every day that I've ever heard the show, many times per show, I hear this from callers: "Rush, I love ya, but I gotta disagree with you on this ...." And, since many of Rush Limbaugh's listeners are people who believe in a real God, they don't make the mistake of substituting a false god (though he may be entertaining). "
Maybe Jeff Christie ought to take that advice and get to know a few liberals, or black people...
How is saying he ought to get to know a few liberals or black people a personal attack? Besides, I was "taken out of context" like Rush was.
Seriously, every time he puts his fat foot in his mouth, he cries about how he's taken out of context. I don't think poor Jeff Christie really knows what the term means....
Why? Is he ashamed of the name Jeff Christie? He is an entertainer, and It IS his old pseudonym, and since he seems to enjoy the entire nickname-giving thing himself (can you think of a non-republican politician he doesn't have a nickname for?) I support him in his effort!
Rush is an entertainer. He's there to make money...if he wasn't, there wouldn't be erectile dysfunction commercials advertised every 10 minutes or Rush saying "My friends call 1-800-Flowers..."
That IS true. It's hard to take seriously someone who hawks flowers, face cream for women, mattresses, etc.
That's why when he weighs in on political matters I want to chuck him under the chin and say "aw, did you think of that all by your little self" and send him off with a bon bon and a nice new pair of shoes.
sthig, you are largely correct. Rush is an entertainer, and he freely admits it. But, he's also a bit more well-informed than BTB gives him credit for.
And, to BTB, I will say this: if you are a disillusioned former Republican, I can't blame you too much. But, don't let bitterness or cynicism make you sweep away the positive principles and values that you cherish. While the Republicans have disappointed many of us, running into the arms of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary Clinton is not the answer. I'm not saying that you are, I'm just commenting here....
I dunno, I feel he gets his news from a staff of people who just listen to 10 second soundbites and whatever Matt Whatshisface puts up on his site. I could be (and probably am) wrong.
and he freely admits it
I feel that he should have to make a daily disclaimer "this radio show is for entertainment purposes only." I really feel like he's as bad as reality tv. There's nothing real about it...it's just there to push product and make money. This is my opinion though.
If Rush were to strike out and be independent, pay for his own radioshow (he should have no problem with that, his cigars probably cost more than my weekly grocery bill), not have commercial product...then I might stomach him. It'd show a lot of guts on his behalf.
Sorry, Tom, but I am going to remain firmly independent as I see nothing of value in the republican party, and only a little of value in the dem party these days.
The republicans irk me more than dems these days because of their moralizing hypocrisy. Jeff Christie-Limbaugh is just one symptom of the sickness that has pervaded this party. The multiple marriages, the drug addiction...how can someone elevate him above the liberals he blasts???
Good point, sthig...Rush is kind of the Britney Spears of political pundit-entertainment. Problems remaining married, the drugs, past arrest/legal troubles....Fortunately, however, we've never had to see Old Rush Christie without undies1
I've read through most of your responses. I guess that I have never considered the Limbaugh Show to be comedy, but since you have found so many of Rush's comments funny, it must be comedy.
I stopped listening to him years ago when all the radio stations in my area ceased carrying his program. I used to hear parts of his program occasionally. And all the time, I thought he was serious. Silly me, now I find out he is all about comedy. Thanks for setting me straight.
Its not all comedy but I do get a laugh out of it usually, I read some sarcasm in your comment, could you please provide your view without the fogging addition of sarcasm, it can make things confusing.
ajs, I find him very humorous as well. and humorous people shouldn't be taken seriously.
But on the other hand, Rush "Jeff Christie" Limbaugh IS right once in a while! For instance, here.
“Too many whites are getting away with drug use. The answer is to ... find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river.”
Yep, too many whites get away with drug use...trust him, he KNOWS!
One other note: when Al Gore's son got into trouble recently for drug problems, Limbaugh spoke out immediately on the air expressing his empathy with the young man, sharing about his own battle with addiction to perscription pain killers, and asking his listeners to be respectful and prayerful for the Gore family.
Did Media Matters report on that?
Rush has been contrite about the addiction to prescribed pain killers. I suppose it's some kind of poetic justice that liberal tolerant people continue to kick him because of that and mock him.
I think Rush falls into the righteous, moral majority, conservative Christian crowd. Even I get angry as hell to hear him espouse so eloquently about the liberals and their morals when he himself has a tree lodged in his eye.
Sthig, no question there have been some terrible behaviors from some right wing evangelical conservative Christians. But, do you believe that all who espouse that point of view are hypocrites? And, is grace available to those who fall short and admit it when they do?
But here's the thing TB: when there is despicable behavior coming from those few right wing evangelical conservative Christians, the ones who hold themselves in a higher tier of moral superiority than those filthy liberals with their drug-addicted colored friends, their AIDS ridden homo kids, and their abortion rights and so on, does the right wing media machine (of which Rush is just a part) take arms the way it does when something happens involving a liberal?
I have no doubt that the grand majority of right-wingers in the country are not hypocritical. They are upstanding people, with strong conviction that what they believe in is the morally superior path. The problem is that you have these hate-mongerers (see below for justification) as the people in the spotlight. When people think of conservative, they think of Rush, they think of Anne Coulter, they think of these people that don't display the principles of conservatism that your arguments allude to? I'd love to see people in the spotlight that espouse love for the world, for their neighbors. But unfortunately for the world, those people aren't the ones you have standing up for you. That's why things like this get blown out of proportion.
*justification for "hate-mongerers" comment:
I took the advice of people on this thread and went to Rush's sight. The first thing I was greeted with was an advertisement for "Club Git'mo", a "tropical retreat from the stress of jihad". This is parody. I know this. But imagine that you stumbled upon an Islamist website which was a parody of detention center for Christians, a "tropical retreat from the stress of crusading," where you could rest from the war and be detained without habeas corpus. Imagine, there was a section (as there is on the Rush site) explaining that you could take your kids there, where they could build sandcastle recreations, only instead of a "parody" sandcastle WTC tower with a plane through it, it would be of the various situations causing 75,000+ excess (non-combatant) deaths in Iraq.
Please tell me that you wouldn't consider this hateful towards Christians. And only if you wouldn't consider this hateful, can you not consider Rush hateful.
I know this "hate" towards Islam (because they have terrorists! Unlike us nice white Christians. Forget Oklahoma City, or the unibomber, or the Atlanta olympics for a sec) is fashionable at the moment, and is not necessarily as politically incorrect as hate towards other groups, but hate-mongering is hate-mongering.
Tom, the problem is that he was still espousing hate toward people on drugs as late as 2005 when he himself was using.
How do you go on the air and kick people for being addicts and then between commercial breaks use drugs yourself? He's reaping what he sowed; isn't that one of his beliefs???
Even I get angry as hell to hear him espouse so eloquently about the liberals and their morals when he himself has a tree whole bloody primeval forest lodged in his eye.
is grace available to those who fall short and admit it when they do?
Thanks t' th' Morally Bankrupt Majority's overdrafts at th' Ethereal Grace Thrift & Loan Association, th' grace market is tight these days. There's a line of rayformed "born-ag'ins" with grace applicaytions in their supplicaytin' hands, an' th' line sthretchin' all th' way from here to Purgath'ry Junction. Some of 'em is even serious about th' repentin' business! D'ye credhit that now?!
Annyway, don't expect t' close on a grace applicaytion f'r at least one aeon afther ye apply an' arre aprroved, an' don't be surprised if th' delay sthretches well into Æon №. 2!
Rush has been contrite about the addiction to prescribed pain killers.
Well, that's nice and all, but he didn't use his celebrity to preach that addicts should be contrite and all is forgiven. Rather, he said on many occasions that addicts should be jailed and treated harshly. But I guess he doesn't think what he preaches applies to him.
he said on many occasions that addicts should be jailed and treated harshly
TheJonesGirl, ye have t'listen!! What he actually said was that addicts should be jailed an treated harshlyunless they have their own right-wing radio talk show. In that case they should be left alone, except for one day a year when they should have t' come down t' th' jail t' mistreat an' make fun of th' run of th' mill drug addicts. See what ye miss when ye don't listen carefully?!
But, do you believe that all who espouse that point of view are hypocrites? And, is grace available to those who fall short and admit it when they do?
It's hard to extend grace to that man. Doable...but hard.
It'd be hard for me to forgive Rush and invite him over to dinner. Once again, I might be able to pull it off, but I think given the choice, I'd rather have Dr. Dobson and Bush over for dinner.
My dislike for Rush is not all the blabbing he does, it's that he's just a money making machine like everything else on the radio (don't get me started on DJ's either). Anyone that is trying to inform (or entertain) me and then turns around to sell product is a BIG TURN OFF for me and they don't get my patronage.
The only radio station I can remotely handle is NPR and that's because the advertising is quick and not intrusive with "BILL'S USED CAR BLOWOUT! OUR PRICES ARE INSANE!!!" or as said before, "erectile dysfunction." I'm CLEARLY not their (the EIB network) target market and it makes me think that Rush listeners have a serious sexual issue henceforth my perception of them being "middle aged angry white males" (and now I know where the anger comes from).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not making an attack here...but this is where my perception. I don't listen to Air America and don't know their line of advertising and target market...but I'm sure I'd come up with a judgment call on them too. I'm sure their DJ's and pundits are just as ridiculous.
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it should be noted that I do enjoy Colbert and Stewart but only for the laugh factor. Also I tivo it so I can fast forward through the advertising and don't have to be bothered with it. But even then, I've stopped tivoing it because the funny is the same thing everyday...nothing dynamic.
I took the advice of people on this thread and went to Rush's sight. The first thing I was greeted with was an advertisement for "Club Git'mo", a "tropical retreat from the stress of jihad". This is parody. I know this. But imagine that you stumbled upon an Islamist website which was a parody of detention center for Christians, a "tropical retreat from the stress of crusading," where you could rest from the war and be detained without habeas corpus. Imagine, there was a section (as there is on the Rush site) explaining that you could take your kids there, where they could build sandcastle recreations, only instead of a "parody" sandcastle WTC tower with a plane through it, it would be of the various situations causing 75,000+ excess (non-combatant) deaths in Iraq.
lygaret
Would that they do so. It would be better than the videos and audio's of the screams of the people who are dying as they cut their heads off.
One other note: when Al Gore's son got into trouble recently for drug problems, Limbaugh spoke out immediately on the air expressing his empathy with the young man, sharing about his own battle with addiction to perscription pain killers, and asking his listeners to be respectful and prayerful for the Gore family.
Did Media Matters report on that?
Rush has been contrite about the addiction to prescribed pain killers. I suppose it's some kind of poetic justice that liberal tolerant people continue to kick him because of that and mock him.
7!#6.3 - Mon Oct 1, 2007 11:34 PM EDT
Yes ,but let's be accurate please.Regardless of how he was introduced to the drug.
The Oxycontin "was not prescribed".... unless his house maid was an M.D.. He did not turn himself in as a junkie,
an continued to buy illigal drugs off the street by Maid Proxy,
until he was outed in a drug sweep .
He is contrite because he belongs in jail, an he knows it. He went to rehab because every junkie, that is caught, has to go.
Liberals may be kind....but not all that stupid.
Al Gore's son .......is not Al Gore. If he were........ Limbaugh would not miss the opportunity. He instead used it [AL Gore's son's problem] to solicit sympathy for his own former criminal drug activity.
One other note: when Al Gore's son got into trouble recently for drug problems, Limbaugh spoke out immediately on the air expressing his empathy with the young man, sharing about his own battle with addiction to prescription pain killers, and asking his listeners to be respectful and prayerful for the Gore family.
Did Media Matters report on that?
An now that we're accurate. Let's give honesty a shot- Anyone with a drug or alcohol problem can turn themselves in an still retain their job an get all the help they need.
However,......... if you fail a random Drug Test ......it is immediate termination. No excuses.
The rules were bent for Mr. Limbaugh. Because he's an Idol-
The god "Janus" comes to mind........
Anyone with a drug or alcohol problem can turn themselves in an still retain their job an get all the help they need. However,......... if you fail a random Drug Test ......it is immediate termination. No excuses.
So you support random drug testing? There is no federal law about this except for people working on government contracts so there is no issue.
Dude, go outside, breath the air, find somewhere beautiful to sit and ponder the universe instead of pouring out bile here.
Anyone with a drug or alcohol problem can turn themselves in an still retain their job an get all the help they need. However,......... if you fail a random Drug Test ......it is immediate termination. No excuses.
So you support random drug testing? There is no federal law about this except for people working on government contracts so there is no issue.
space guy@gp
Dude, go outside, breath the air, find somewhere beautiful to sit and ponder the universe instead of pouring out bile here.
Let us know when you will be dropping out of orbit.... I don't want to be hit with "space junk"
space guy@gp
So you support random drug testing? There is no federal law about this except for people working on government contracts ??????
It's a dumb cheap shot made at Rush Limbaugh over the fact that in the early 1970s on a Pittsburgh radio station, "Jeff Christie" was Limbaugh's on-air name as a rock disc jockey. I'm sure back then that he played records by Robert Zimmerman (Bob Dylan), Reg Dwight (Elton John), Vincent Furnier (Alice Cooper), and Richard Starkey (Ringo Starr). Hopefully, he avoided the music of Arnold George Dorsey (Englebert Humperdinck).
This is big news? And, again, the name keeps getting tossed around by someone calling themselves "Bigger the Better" here on Newsvine. LOL. Irony is rich, ain't it?
You're just plain, dead wrong. That transcript has been judiciously edited to support his version and save his own hide. (good luck). If he thought he said nothing wrong why has he edited it for his Armed Forces Radio listeners?
I heard the entire tape. He DOES NOT reference just one soldier, he is most clearly speaking about many soldiers , the ones that disagree with the war and Bush's policies.
You and the other righties on this thread are displaying a painfully obvious bias to protect Rush. This just two weeks after frothling at the mouth about the moveon ad. This is why righties get tagged with the hypocrit lable.
Please, your are truly embarassing yourself. I know you probably support Rush, that's fine, not my cup of tea, but ok. Just have backbone to stand up and say when your guy has uttred an over-the-line comment.
This time he really blew it. Admit it and just moveon.
The story on Macbeth has been a big topic (justifiably so) for Rush and many conservatives for weeks. It had been discussed at length and Rush's listeners - the people to whom Rush is addressing - already knew and understood the context of Rush's remarks.
ABC had also done a news story on Macbeth and his ilk and called it "Phony Heroes." There's nothing wrong with what Rush said, and it is plainly NOT aimed at actual soldiers who oppose the war or the President.
I heard the show, I listen regularly to the show, and I don't get spoonfed my information about Rush from Media Matters and its spawn.
Harry would have been smarter to ignore the idiot...
Maybe I should run for Senate considering it seems that neither sides has had anything better to do in the past couple weeks but complain about what so-and-so is saying on the other side...
I'm waiting for one of you guys to go on youtube and defend Rush like that Britney Spears fan did, in a tearful, wailing manner. PLEASE, PLEASE LEAVE RUSHIE ALONE! LOL
All right, we've learned a couple other things. This Paul Hackett is a trial lawyer, folks (laughing). He's a personal injury lawyer like [2004 Democratic vice presidential candidate] John Edwards. And it appears that, you know, he goes to Iraq to pad the resumé, come back and run as a big supporter of the war, or at least finishing the project over there.
[...]
This is a personal injury trial lawyer in the mold of John Edwards, the Breck Girl, who is trying to hide once again his liberalism behind a military uniform. You would think they would learn.
----------------------- LIMBAUGH: So where are we? Well, we're on the Rush Limbaugh program and the EIB network but we're also hearing that Democrats once again lose an election running an ultraliberal hiding behind a military uniform. They once again lose an election pretending to be something that they are not -- a hawk on the military and a hawk on the war in Iraq. They run again, once again, as deceivers and, once again, they lose.
----------------------- These are just a few of his past comments where he claims that liberals "hide" behind military uniforms. In a nutshell, he does indeed think that anyone who is democratic or liberal (or non-republican!) is a phony soldier.
Here is Limbaugh's own "humor" set to a real comedy routine.
Bill Hicks on Rush
Someone posted Limbaugh's own apologia and denouncement of th' denouncement.
Rush tongues Bill O'Really back Here's where he puts up his version of th' truth (about 5 minutes in). He neglects to admit that the one soldier he claims he is calling a "phony soldier" was indeed a soldier. 'Twould be like me callin' George Bush a "phony Raypublican." He is, afther all, a Raypublican.
A laconic Afghanistan veteran takes a while t' warm t' his subject but speaks eloquently enough about what he thinks about Rush Limbaugh's faux pathriotism.
The soldier now appearing in the anti-Rush ads is no phony soldier. He's a hero. But, he's been deceived into believing that Rush "said" something that he simply never said.
He neglects to admit that the one soldier he claims he is calling a "phony soldier" was indeed a soldier. 'Twould be like me callin' George Bush a "phony Raypublican." He is, afther all, a Raypublican.
Daga in #11.3
The gentleman was not a solider. You have to at least finish basic training to become a solider. The guy washed out in 44 days.
A major general excoriates Rush. Maj. Gen. John Batiste (Ret.) commanded the First Batallion in Iraq in 2003 and is a self-described "die-hard Republican" who opposes the war in Iraq.
Wouldn't ye know it, 'tis ratings time! P'rhaps Rush has a clause in his contract requirin' him t' make a bigger amadán of himself than usual in order t' dhraw more listeners when ad rates are bein' calculated?
Prominent Republicans- [defined as "Phony Soldiers w/other priorities" by none other that their
"Phony" Commanding Officer "Acting Field Marshall" Rush Limbaugh!
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
Senate Assistant Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-MI - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve.
National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Ensign, R-NV - did not serve.
House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-OH - did not serve.
House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-MO - did not serve.
House Republican Conerence Chair Adam Putnam, R-FL - did not serve.
House Republican Policy Committee Thaddeus McCotter, R-MI - did not serve.
National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Tom Cole, R-OK - did not serve.
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani - did not serve.
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney - did not serve in the military but did serve the Mormon Church on a 30-month mission to France.
Former Senator Fred Thompson - did not serve.
Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so in 2000? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.
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Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."
Former House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
Rick Santorum, R-PA, formerly third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)
George Felix Allen, former Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve. (1)
Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984.
GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?
VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") (1)
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State
Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. (1)
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.
Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)
Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.
"B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.
Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man.
Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations Recently entered plea bargain on felony charges of bribery, etc. etc.
Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986
Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre. Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear hypocrite ("I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...")
Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action.
Here are a few more...the Democrats are available on request...but room for" those that served in the military" isn't--
Democrats Chuck Robb, US Senator from Virginia, served in Vietnam
Howell Heflin... Democrat... Silver Star
George McGovern, famous liberal, awarded Silver Star & DFC, dozens of missions during WWII.
Former President Bill Clinton - avoided the draft through student deferments; in the autumn of 1969, Clinton entered the draft but received a high number (311) and was never called to serve. (CNN article.) "...it was his doubts about the morality of the war and the Selective Service system that led him to abandon the ROTC idea and to subject himself to a draft lottery. Only the luck of the draw - a high lottery number - kept him out. " (Jeff Greenfield, ABC News, quoting Gov. Clinton.)
Former President Jimmy Carter, most recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, seven years in the Navy. "Except for his fellow service-academy graduate Dwight Eisenhower, no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform than Carter." (New Yorker Magazine)
Former Presidential Nominee Mike Dukakis - United States Army, 1955-'57 (1)
Former Senator/Vice Presidential nominee Lloyd Bentsen - B-24 pilot in WWII 1942-'45, Squadron Commander; earned Distinguished Flying Cross, Air Medal with three Oak Leaf Clusters. (1)
Former Vice President Walter Mondale, U.S. Army 1951-1953
Former Senator John Glenn, D-OH (1974-1999) - Served in WWII and Korea; extensive military commendations include the Distinguished Flying Cross on six occasions, and the Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
Congressman Tom Lantos, D-CA - Did not serve in the US military; did serve in the Hungarian anti-Nazi underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg, is the only Holocaust survivor to serve in Congress.
Former President Jimmy Carter, most recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, seven years in the Navy. "Except for his fellow service-academy graduate Dwight Eisenhower, no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform than Carter."
What a justice driven Christian moron. What a lilly livered coward-- What a dumb, ignorant, peanut farmer- Somebody bring this guy up to DC BELTWAY speed.
[He attended Georgia Southwestern College and Georgia Tech, finally receiving a B. S. from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1947. On July 7, 1947, Carter married his sweetheart, Rosalyn Smith.
Admiral Hyman Rickover personally selected him for the crew of the Seawolf, the second nuclear sub (first was Nautilus). He would serve under Rickover for the final two years of his career in the Navy, working as engineering officer on the nuclear sub. With the death of his father in 1953, Carter returned to Georgia to run the family business. ........Yep! ...a real dummy]
"Hey Dicky!! [George SR. to Dick Cheney] Let's go behind his back to Iran an screw [Carter] him good...."
no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform than Carter
If that is what we get from military officers then God help us all.
Oh by the way Lincoln, nor Franklin Roosevelt never served in the military. They presided over the largest wars in our nation's history. Does that disqualify them?
P'rhaps th' Raypublicans could change fr'm bein' th' GOP to bein' the DNS (Did Not Serve) Party. At least all of 'em except f'r McCain, that is. Here's how it'd look:
"LE MARS, Iowa (AP) — Presidential candidate Rudolph Giuliani (DNS-N.Y.) announced today he favors sending more American men to Iraq and killing them. ..."
I'll go wan further f'r ye. Annywan who is in favor of killin' American throops should have their military background broadcast right up front in th' artycull.
"RUSHVILLE, Iowa (AP) - Presidential contender Hillary Rodham Clinton, (DNS-N.Y.) said she would not rule out keeping troops in Iraq, where they could be killed, for up to five more years....
A question which frequently arises with broadcasters is the issue of drug and alcohol testing. Drug use on the job and the job-related effects of drug use off the job have become prominent concerns among many FCC licensees. Many are adopting programs to test the blood or urine of employees and job applicants for drug and alcohol use.
Rush....."busted in a nick of time".....may have saved EIB Licence
Oh by the way Lincoln, nor Franklin Roosevelt never served in the military. They presided over the largest wars in our nation's history. Does that disqualify them?
No, because they WON their wars. Bush, who did "serve" ("swerve" is more what I heard, but let's not quibble) in the military, has LOST his war in Iraq. So on two counts, he's no Lincoln an' sartainly no FDR. Think Warren Harding with a speech impediment.
I would dispute that we have lost the war in Iraq. There is little to back up your thesis in the conditions on the ground there today. Yes it has been more difficult to win the peace but that is the price that you pay for operating in that part of the world. Heck we kept troops in Germany for half a century after WWII and they are still there and in Japan.
A question which frequently arises with broadcasters is the issue of drug and alcohol testing. Drug use on the job and the job-related effects of drug use off the job have become prominent concerns among many FCC licensees. Many are adopting programs to test the blood or urine of employees and job applicants for drug and alcohol use.
Also notice, in the quote above, that it looks like this is a voluntary program, even for the licensees.
Glad to help you clear up these misconceptions that you have.
There is a difference between broadcasters that are license holders and the syndicated programs that air on these networks.
You do understand this don't you?
If what you are saying is the case, then 80% of Hollywood, and 95% of the bands in the country would be in big trouble.
4!#11.21 - Wed Oct 3, 2007 3:36 PM EDT
No ......really?
Do bands talk politics? [Do they talk at all?] Does Hollywood air political opinion talk shows ....or just movies? Do "individuals" in hollywood have opinions....an vent them in interviews? Yes Does all the media cater to them ? Yes Did they scream Mel Gibson was an alcoholic? Yes
Should all employees of a FCC licenced station with acess to "Public Airwaves" be tested- Yes An IF you think NO---then I must wonder if YOU would pass such a test.
What are we hiding? ......If there's nothing to hide?...
spaceguy
There is little to back up your thesis in the conditions on the ground there today.
I want you, space guy, t' run t' th' market in Sadr City f'r Me today and get Me a litre of milk. When ye bring Me th' litre of milk, then ye can talk, if yer still alive. Otherwise, whisht will ye with yer nonsense?!
gpnavonod Drug and Alcohol Testing By Gregg P. Skall
A question which frequently arises with broadcasters is the issue of drug and alcohol testing. Drug use on the job and the job-related effects of drug use off the job have become prominent concerns among many FCC licensees. to test the blood or urine of employees and job applicants for drug and alcohol use.
Rush....."busted in a nick of time".....may have saved EIB Licence
0!#11.19 - Wed Oct 3, 2007 3:19 PM EDT
spaceguy......What is your reading comprehension level?
"Many are adopting programs" ....What does that mean to you? ....."busted in a nick of time".....What does that mean to you?
in the quote above, that it looks like this is a voluntary program
You sound like you don't understand "Snark".
Ask Rush-
Yes I am sure that's exactly what you meant. It is amazing how easy it is for misunderstandings to erupt over trivialities as the seeded thread indicates.
No, because they WON their wars. Bush, who did "serve" ("swerve" is more what I heard, but let's not quibble) in the military, has LOST his war in Iraq. So on two counts, he's no Lincoln an' sartainly no FDR. Think Warren Harding with a speech impediment.
Hmmm....
So the criterion is not whether or not the president got us into the war but whether or not he wins. Interesting take on it, had not seen it put in that fashion before. It is my understanding that for the first few years of the war between the states, the U.S. military lost the vast majority of the battles to an inferior military. It got turned around after a while when a new general, who knew how to fight that particular enemy, was finally promoted to the general of the army. It is my understanding as well that most of the other generals, especially the ones who retired beforehand, hated him and criticized him at every opportunity. The president at the time was so ignorant of the ways of war that he had to go to the national library and read books on the subject.
Oh and it is my understanding that the new general won because he adopted the theory of total warfare. This meant burning the enemy cities, destroying their crops and homes and creating hundreds of thousands of refugees, including the sick, the old, and the very young. Many civilians died in this humanitarian crisis. This created enough hardships that after the war tens of thousands moved away from the country to south America where their descendants live to this day.
D'ye think th' American people would stand f'r "total war" in Iraq when Bush can't (or won't) even get a draft t' increase th' throop strength t' what his gin'rals asked f'r back in 2002? "Total war in Iraq" = total revolution at home.
There has been an increase in troop strength. There was an increase of 30,000 and I think that there was recently another one. I just read where the Army budget is going up by $3 billion a year to pay for the increased personnel costs. The army is headed to 547,000 in uniform. This is still well below the peak of 780,000 soldiers during the Reagan administration.
by the way, your writing is classist in how you are using language.
Abraham Lncoln
He was elected captain of an Illinois militia company drawn from New Salem during the Black Hawk War, and later wrote that he had not had "any such success in life which gave him so much satisfaction."[9] Though he never saw combat
F.D.R. Was a cripple in a wheelchair-1921 -1945
space guy@gpnavonod
Yes I am sure that's exactly what you meant. It is amazing how easy it is for misunderstandings to erupt over trivialities as the seeded thread indicates
Never mind how I use language, ye whelp. I write how I speak, an' I l'arned t' speak English lang b'fore ye were born. Wisha! Lang b'fore yer great-grandda' was born! I cannot be classist ag'inst Mesilf, can I?
Stick t' th' argument. Th' throops have never been increased beyond what was on hand at th' invasion, which th' gin'rals told Rumsfeld was far below what was needed t' win th' war an' hold th' counthry together aftherwards.
General Shinseki calls for 'hundreds of thousands' of troops to occupy Iraq (fr'm 2002) Amazin' how he looks loike a prophet t'day, an' Wolfowitz looks loike an eejit, d'ye see?
General Shinseki gave his estimate in response to a question at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on Tuesday: "I would say that what's been mobilized to this point — something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers — are probably, you know, a figure that would be required." He also said that the regional commander, Gen. Tommy R. Franks, would determine the precise figure.
A spokesman for General Shinseki, Col. Joe Curtin, said today that the general stood by his estimate. "He was asked a question and he responded with his best military judgment," Colonel Curtin said. General Shinseki is a former commander of the peacekeeping operation in Bosnia.
In his testimony, Mr. Wolfowitz ticked off several reasons why he believed a much smaller coalition peacekeeping force than General Shinseki envisioned would be sufficient to police and rebuild postwar Iraq. He said there was no history of ethnic strife in Iraq, as there was in Bosnia or Kosovo. He said Iraqi civilians would welcome an American-led liberation force that "stayed as long as necessary but left as soon as possible," but would oppose a long-term occupation force. And he said that nations that oppose war with Iraq would likely sign up to help rebuild it. "I would expect that even countries like France will have a strong interest in assisting Iraq in reconstruction," Mr. Wolfowitz said. He added that many Iraqi expatriates would likely return home to help.
Why the U.S. Military Can't Abandon "Command and Control" Logic
So why does the U.S. military relentlessly build its anti-insurgency strategy around the idea of decapitating the leadership of the Iraqi resistance? The answer lies just beneath the surface of Donald Rumsfeld's now infamous statement, "You go to war with the Army you have."
This is a comment pregnant with meaning for organizational sociologists, because it illustrates a familiar pattern of organizational problem-solving. If a product is not selling well, for example, an engineering organization might conclude that better engineering of the product was in order; a manufacturing firm, that more efficient production technology was needed; and a marketing company, that better advertising would do the trick. This sort of organizational idée fixe has led to some truly horrendous failures in business -- and military -- history. For example, when a flood of automobile buyers began to demand fuel-efficient cars during the first oil crisis in the early 1970s, the American automobile industry did not have the capacity to produce such vehicles. Instead of investing vast resources in developing that capacity, it tried to use its superior marketing skills to win Americans back to luxurious gas guzzlers. That is, the Big Three "went to war with the army they had" and convinced themselves that they were facing a marketing problem. The results: a permanent crisis at General Motors (during which it lost world leadership in the industry), a fundamental restructuring of Ford, and the demise of Chrysler.
Or take the French in World War II. They knew about the new German tanks that had made World War I trench warfare obsolete, but the French army was only equipped to fight in the trenches. So they "went to war with the army they had," devising a trench-war strategy that they managed to convince themselves would contain the German Panzer divisions. They lost the war in three weeks.
The American army is also fighting with the army it has. This army is the best equipped in the world for advanced conventional warfare -- with tanks, artillery, air power, missile power, battlefield surveillance power, and satellite imaging to support highly mobile, well equipped, and superbly trained soldiers. No supply route is safe from its firepower, and no conventional army would be likely to hold its ground long against an American assault. But the most intractable part of the resistance in Iraq is fighting a guerrilla war: they do not have long supply lines and they rarely try to hold their ground.
Guerrilla armies hide by melting into the local population. (Everyone knows this, including, of course, American military men.) To defeat them, an occupying force must have the intelligence to identify guerrillas who can disappear into the civilian world; and it must station troops throughout resistance strongholds in order to pounce upon guerrillas when they emerge from hiding to mount an attack. American military strategists know this, too. But these lessons -- painfully drawn from Vietnam -- can't be implemented by the army that Donald Rumsfeld sent to war.
The Americans, in fact, have neither of these resources. Anti-guerrilla intelligence, after all, requires the cooperation of the local population, which, at least in the Sunni-dominated areas of Iraq, the U.S. has definitively alienated, largely through its use of blunt-edged conventional army attacks on communities that harbor guerrillas. And it cannot station enough troops in key locations because too small an occupation force is spread far too thinly over contested parts of the country. Estimates for the size of an army needed to pacify Iraq range upward from General Eric Shinseki's prewar call for "several hundred thousand" troops.
The American military simply lacks the tools it needs to fight the guerrillas, just as in the 1970s the Big Three automakers lacked the production system needed to produced fuel-efficient automobiles, and the French army lacked the technology it needed to defeat German tanks in 1940. In response, military leaders are doing exactly what their organizational forbears did: They continue to develop theories about how to win the war "with the army they have." This backward logic leads inevitably to imagining an enemy that might be far more susceptible to defeat with the tools at hand; that is, an opponent with long supply lines (from Syria, for example) and a command-and-control leadership (Zarqawi and his Saddamist allies, for example) capable of being "decapitated." This portrait of the enemy then justifies a military strategy that seeks, above all, to kill or capture the theorized leaders. Such tactics almost always fail (even when leaders are captured); and in the process of failing, only alienates further the Iraqi population, producing an ever larger, more resourceful enemy.
Th' mess right now might take 500,000 soldiers in Iraq t' sort out. But it won't happen without a draft.
As f'r yer contention that th' peak of U.S. milith'ry strength was reached in th' Reagan adhminishtration (780,000), arrah, ye must be smokin' somethin', young wan! More than 16 million men were undher arms in World War II, nearly 6 million were in uniform during th' Korean War, and so forth.
Okay, you guys have to understand: politics is perceptions. The perception of what he said was not good for him.
---------------------------------------------- That's a quote by Rush Limbaugh himself, when discussing Ron Paul. It's appropriate to this case.
Ok, I am convinced. Yesterday, I spent 8-10 hours listening/reading to Rush Limbaugh on the radio/Internet from clippings and other sources, whatever I could find. I have to say a lot of my opinions have changed. A lot of stuff that I believed to be true are not. I have been enlightened. So, just for the record, these are my current standings as a result of the knowledge gained from Limbaugh:
- Feminists are ugly women. - Liberals are bad smelling hippies. - Black people can't speak like normal humans. They speak like they have an extra bone in their nose. - Drug addicts are the worst scum on this planet. - White people are smarter and more civilized than colored people. - People that speak Spanish are illegal immigrants good for nothing but using the lawn mowers. - Soldiers that speak out against the President are phony soldiers. - Non-Republican soldiers are phony soldiers. - Inter-racial relationships are a threat to the supremacy of the white race and must be illegalized. - A woman should never become President. The rightful place of a woman is in the kitchen. - Jewish people have too much power in this country. - Gay people are .... ok not this one since I am a homosexual myself. I guess I'll disagree on this one.
I am sure Limbaugh would be proud of this latest convert. I urge my fellow Newsviners to adopt an open mind and listen to what he has to say and you too shall be enlightened.
Did you simply sit down and listen to Rush on the radio or did you listen to out of context clippings compiled by people who are crafting a message to manipulate you?
It wouldn't matter; a person could sit there and listen to one entire show and you'd still say it was taken out of context.
This is hilarious. A grown man needs other men to defend him. A man who makes a living attacking woman, Parkinson's patients, soldiers, blacks, and so on...and he can't handle the heat without hiding behind other men's skirts.
Er...he doesn't need me to defend him. He's doing a fine job of it himself.
But arrayed against him are the billionaire George Soros (Media Matters and MoveOn benefactor), CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, CNNHL, NPR, USA Today, NY Times, Wash Post, San Fran Chronicle, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Houston Chronicle, Boston Globe, LA Times, et al. And the party who holds the majority in Congress is receiving their marching orders from the Soros wing of the party.
Hear this: I may not always agree with Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingraham, Beck, Elder, O'Reilly, Levine, Coulter, Williams, or other conservatives, but I am speaking out against the recent slanders because the attacks on these folks are really an attack on me and my freedoms as well.
Hear this: I may not always agree with Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingraham, Beck, Elder, O'Reilly, Levine, Coulter, Williams, or other conservatives,
FYI: Tom last disagreed with that gaggle of slaggers at 12:34 p.m. Tuesday, Aug. 6, 2006. Apparently they were all at lunch together an' th' rist of 'em suggested he pick up th' check.
A woman should never become President. The rightful place of a woman is in the kitchen.
Feminists are ugly women.[does he even have a woman--if so , is Golda Meier n Elizabeth I doing his housework?] - Liberals are bad smelling hippies.[his cigars are rose scented?] - Black people can't speak like normal humans. They speak like they have an extra bone in their nose.[I thought noses has cartilage,but then he's his own M.D.an writes his own RX] - Drug addicts are the worst scum on this planet.[self chastisement] - White people are smarter and more civilized than colored people.[So how does he explain himself?] - People that speak Spanish are illegal immigrants good for nothing but using the lawn mowers. [An ,don't forget Rush,a conduit to fill your medicine cabinet] - Soldiers that speak out against the President are "phony soldiers". [He himself is one- 'Acting" Field Marshall Rush Limbaugh...so who should know?] - Non-Republican soldiers are phony soldiers.[well documented in the Congress #11.15]
Hear this: I may not always agree with Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingraham, Beck, Elder, O'Reilly, Levine, Coulter, Williams, or other conservatives, but I am speaking out against the recent slanders because the attacks on these folks are really an attack on me and my freedoms as well.
Ya left out MoveOn Tom- But then you didn't care for what they said- That's OK- And listen to meself about Limbaugh- An while I'm at it .....I'd like to put Nancy over my knee ..... [hmmmm---she's kind of sexy??] Damnmit- ..... An give her a lesson too!!-.... [hmmmm----she's kind of sexy]
Oh! Sorry for drifting Tom. You know what the hell I mean.
The collective American Mentality is being sucessfully stirred to nonsense, thereby creating the planned process of more criminal robbery of the treasury of the US.
for what it's worth. Rush was on Family Guy's Star Wars episode and I almost busted a gut laughing at him. Now THAT was comedy and entertainment gold. I think it had more to do with the writers than Rush but kudos for him being a willing participant.
It seems that when liberals cant refute an arguement they just LIE, LIE , LIE. Ad hominum attack after ad hominum attack. Smear after smear. When the only issue the democrats in the senate can talk about is an out-of -context statement from a radio personality, they are surely in trouble. Saying Rush Limbaugh is against the troops is like saying that John Madden is against football.
It seems that when liberals cant refute an arguement they just LIE, LIE , LIE. Ad hominum attack after ad hominum attack. Smear after smear. When the only issue the democrats in the senate can talk about is an out-of -context statement from a radio personality, they are surely in trouble.
Well, maybe if 'twere a partickularly good blowjob we would. But talkin' about a blowjob somewan else got is kind of ridiculous, ain't it? Can't help but sound jealous if ye go on an' on about it like that, can ye?
It seems that when liberals cant refute an arguement they just LIE, LIE , LIE. Ad hominum attack after ad hominum attack. Smear after smear Craig19 Show me one lie I SAID I DARE YOU!!!!! I WILL WAIT FOR YOUR RESPONSE
space guy I find it interesting, that after being successfully rebutted by reasonable discourse, the direction that following responses take.
You are "somewhat" interesting-but have little to say worthwhile
An I don't have a telescope- Enjoy your orbit [-it decays, little by little, you know.]
HOUSE RESOLUTION SUPPORTING LIMBAUGH
I tell you that this past week the Democrats should have been on tv in the wee hours as it was like Dems Gone Wild or something. First we had the spectacle of the senile Bobby Byrd letting the moonbats take over his hearing and now this Harkin/Reid three ring circus. Too funny.
Welcome to ignore, AJS. I've had a gutful of you.
"A man is rich in proportion of the number of things he can afford to let alone."
Mwahaha. The less I read of you, the better.
You posted a comment full of attacks at the top of the thread for no other reason than to get attention, I think I'll leave the other two. Notice how I get my points across without having to attack you.
I will readily give you this, ajs. Of all the rightwingers I have debated against on Newsvine that I can think of (Tom Bombadil, Bill Harrison, Bodhi1, daweb, Shawn Gordon, Independent Voter with Republican leanings, Observer, etc.) you are the only one I have seen that has not resorted to insults while debating. I may be wrong but I have yet to see an insult from you. Good for you, my friend.
Thanks for thinking of me there, MH. And, of all the leftwingers I have debated against on Newsvine that I can think of who have not resorted to insults while debating against them, you are not one of them. It works both ways, amigo. ;-)
I never claimed so. I don't understand your latent angst. It's as if you are itching to put me down, itching to get back at me for something...
But, taking a leaf out of ajs's book, I shall not insult you for this. Have a great day and a rambunctious night.
First thanks for the kind comment Mubarak, I do appreciate it.
Second, I assure you that I have stepped over the line here at the vine, as I am sure most of us have. But I do try very hard to watch carefully what I say and mainly to treat others as I would want to be treated, I can't take credit for this idea.
In my experience I have had a much better time here sticking to this rule and not feeling bad the next day for saying something stupid.
Ooh, th' umbrage an' insult combo. White whine or red with that, eh?
@ The Dagda,
Who exactly is your comment referring too?
@BlaiseP
You gotta relax, you could have posted your original comment at the end of the thread where it belonged and we would have had no problem, but instead you posted it right up top where it did not belong, I'm sure you understand my explanation.
I also thank you for your service.
Are you attempting at this point to justify deleting my post, AJS?
You do not thank me for my service. Save that bilge for someone else who might actually take you seriously, for I do not. You are, in point of fact, attempting to serve the cause of a DRAFT DODGING PILONIDAL CYST INFESTED LOWLIFE SCUMBAG. Am I making myself clear here?
Yeah you have made yourself perfectly clear to me, you are very angry and as of this have decided to personally attack anyone you disagree with, am I wrong?
Actually I do, and I will say it again, thank you BlaiseP for your service in our military, while we disagree on many issues I have no problem putting this aside and thanking you for what you have done.
Yes I am intensely angry at Rush Limbaugh, and I find you to be the quintessence of what's wrong with this country. You think soldiers who disagree with this war are Phony Soldiers. I am just such a soldier, or was, and I'll thank you not to thank me any more, for I neither want nor need thanks from the likes of you. You might do Newsvine the favor of deleting this entire article, though that will not happen, on that everyone who reads this can bet their last dollar.
You have personally attacked me by deleting my post, and I will not appeal it. Yet I have my own following here, and they read me. You cannot, in the immortal words of Jack Nicholson, "handle the truth". This war, in very many ways, was the wrong war. It was, as was my own war, entered upon the basis of a pack of lies, and continues on the premise that abandoning it will produce a worse war. That may well be true, but this much I will say and will not be gainsaid: Rush Limbaugh and his Dittoheads, of which you seem to be in the vanguard, have never actually contemplated the cost of what will follow this war. An entire generation of PTSD soldiers, destined as was my generation of soldiers, for a lifetime of trauma. Do not thank me or any other soldier, we didn't fight for you. We fought and died for each other. We're the Phony Soldiers Rush Limbaugh tells us about.
We didn't fight for you. So shut up about Phony Soldiers. You don't have the right to talk about us, and neither does Rush Limbaugh.
Actually, they do, part of what you served to protect, the right for people to say what they felt about anything.
That is not true at all, I believe I proved that it my last comment,
Fair enough...
No, I removed a post that was purposely put at the front of the thread where it did not belong,
I believe me and Rush have all the right to talk about any issue, what other freedoms do you plan to strip me of?
Hey, I'm generally a sweetheart. I am the only conservative who has told people that hugs are free. Do you need a hug?
Blaise, I've repeatedly thanked you for your service and honored you for it. If Rush Limbaugh had said that actual soldiers who opposed the war were "phony," then I would join you in attacking him.
That's not what he said.
Rush may indeed have been unable to serve in the military, but he has proven himself to be a stalwart friend of the military for many years and has been honored as such. Senator Warner, who is no fan of the war, called Rush a patriot this week and a friend of the military. He agreed that Rush did not say what has been inferred.
As someone who actually listens to Rush's program 2-3 times per week, I know that Rush and many others have been addressing the Macbeth situation for a long time, as have others. It's been a frame of reference that Rush and his listeners have understood. Without that context, people who only know about Rush through Media Matters, DailyKos, or Olbermann could naturally be confused or misled.
Disagree with him all you want. Get angry at some of his more outrageous bluster. But do not be misled into believing that Rush Limbaugh said that real soldiers (not fabricated ones) who disagree with the war or the President are "phony soldiers."
The way in which Hillary's hit squad at Media Matters has distorted and driven this phony issue and spoonfed it to the leftist lackeys in the Senate such as Reid and Harkin is the real scandal here. (Reid, of course, being the person who has repeatedly said over the past year - while our men and women are still on the field of battle - that their efforts have "failed." Harkin, of course, being the person who claimed to have flown combat missions over North Vietnam only to later have to correct his story to reflect the reality, which was that he did no such thing.)
One more thing: you call him a sodomite. You base that, I assume, on the baseless slander that is peddled on some of the more hysterical leftist sites. Those rumors, and the haters who spread them, are disgraceful.
I am constantly amused that the left, who purport to be so tolerant and broad-minded, when confronted with conservatives such as Limbaugh and Coulter, immediately resort to calling them gay or lesbian ... as an insult.
I repeatedly addressed this on another thread, but when I linked it to this thread as a reference, some crank accused me of "trying to get hits" on my seed. Like I care about "hits"? Anyway, if you want to read it, you can search it out. There are transcripts and links and a lot of heated debate over there too.
Bottom line, the mainstream media can lie loudly about it, the jackass Reid can bray about it, Olbermannnnnn can vomit about it, but it doesn't make their statements true and it won't force me into submission or silence.
If the Left continues with this onslaught (what's been done to Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Clarence Thomas, et al this week), you are going to finally rouse Conservatives out of their stupor and slumber.
Why would you do it? You've got the Repubs on the ropes thanks to their own incompetence, greed, power madness, personal moral failures, and malaise. You guys could win the next election in a cakewalk and get everything you want if you show just a modicum of class and restraint. But the lying and the bullying and the bragging and the threatening that some on the left are engaging in right now can come back to haunt you later. Republicans and conservatives know that from experience.
Hey ajs
This is interesting.
Here on this thread BlaiseP said that he was in Laos in 1971 fighting the commies. Here is what he said:
In order to be in Laos in January of 1971 you would have had to have gone into the military probably no earlier than sometime in 1969 as they only sent special forces and units like the First Air Commando's into that area (My uncle was the Chief Armorer of the A1-E Skyraiders that flew in this area earlier in the war [First Air Commandos, "Hobos"] and my Brother was in in the 1st Cav during Tet and my cousin in the Alabama ANG 117th Tac Recon before Desert Shield was organized flew recon in F4-s from Alabama to Saudi and then into Kuwait).
Going into the military in 69 and then to Iraq and Afganistan would mean that he was in the military for well over 33 years for Afland and 34 years for Iraq.
That is an impressive military career. Care to elaborate on that career?
It is weird isn't it that they would pick this to fight over. Limbaugh's support for the troops over the years has been incredibly strong and the context of the comment is so inconsequential in the end that the whole affair smacks of an orchestrated attack, planned in advance.
Why?
Frustration?
I think that the moveon.org folks know that Mr. Limbaugh has been effective at countering their own onslaughts and now seeks to do whatever they can to silence that voice of opposition. God help us all if this is what we are devolving into.
'Tis clear that no wan will be happy 'til iv'ry eye is gouged an' iv'ry bollock is shtepped on.
1.12
Hey, that is cool! How did ya do that? I mean my name in Arabic.
Oh please let the Repubs go on record as supporting Rush...it will push moderates away from them in droves.
Really?
E-Mail from a Former Liberal
From Rush's own site? Yeah, there's credibility.
Thanks for the laugh.
Please, by all means embrace bloviators of hate like Rush...
guffaw.
The fact that you use the term "bloviators of hate" lead me to believe that you have received all your information about Rush Limbaugh from outside biased sources and have never fact checked for yourself, if you never question your beliefs then are they really yours?
I've questioned my beliefs many times--how many DIttoheads can say they same?
I am exposed to Rush enough to know he is a liar and a hatemonger and doesn't use facts, just yelling and vitriol.
I'm happy the Repubs are standing by him, I'm sure that will draw lots of moderates into the Repub party :P
Do you think of me as a liar?
I listen most days and can assure you that there is no hate mongering of any kind, and I can not remember the last time he yelled, how exactly are you exposed to Rush.
Well I know I do, and so did Eric
There's a reason Rush listeners are called Dittoheads and it isn't for their independent thought and ideas.
And I would argue that this also is a great misconception, All the "ditto heads" I know are very well informed, do you plan on answering any of my questions or are you just going to continue to bash Rush and his listeners?
ajs, you don't think his calling Obama "Osama" and playing that "magic negro" song over and over is hate? and that's just ONE example.
That is understandable. I have read your beliefs.
You must be listening to a different show.
No, I can't recall him calling Obama Osama, but I do recall the first time he played the magic negro parody, it really is pretty simple, he was not mocking Obama for his race, he was mocking an LA times writer for using the term and getting away with it.
All I can say is that there is a great misconception of Rush Limbaugh by people who do not listen to the show, and then take Media Matters as gospel. I would bet that if these people (I'm not calling out anyone specifically) actually tuned in they would be very surprised by what the show actually is.
P.S. I did just look up the Osama comment, here he is mocking Senator Ted Kennedy, not Obama.
I don't listen to Rush or Media Matters.
Than how can you comment on the content of the show?
I have listened to Rush in the past, enough to know the sort of hate and opinions he peddles. Opinions dittoheads take as fact.
I still do not understand how you can say he peddles hate, do you remember what he said? Did he call people "bloviators", did he say that people that follow the democrats lack "independent thought and ideas", did he question the credibility of people he disagrees with?
Jones Girl, I listen to Rush 2-3 times a week. Rush is relentlessly self-deprecating and surprisingly maverick when it comes to his views on the Republican party (suprising to those who have not spent much time listening to him themselves, that is). Rush's show is entertainment, in addition to information.
It is fairly standard leftist talking points when insulting Rush Limbaugh to also insult the millions who listen to him. What are the facts to support the assertion that all or even most of Rush's listeners are stupid or simple-minded? The "Dittohead" knickname comes from the catchphrase that some of Rush's listeners popularized years ago ... giving him a hearty "ditto" when they called to agree with him. But that doesn't mean they are mindless robots or parrots.
Speaking of parrots, you may be interested to know that Jimmy Buffett's fans don't actually have "parrot heads." Fans of the Green Bay Packers do not actually have heads made of cheese. And, followers of the Grateful Dead amazingly have heads that are at least marginally alive. ;-)
Stereotypes can sometimes come back to bite. Imagine if I slammed all San Franciscans just because some in the SF city government apparently loathe the US military or because of the obscene and blasphemous parody of "The Last Supper" at the Folsom Street Fair. That wouldn't be right.
ajs, this is ONE example of his calling Obama Osama...and there is no reference to Kennedy here.
From the September 20 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:
"LIMBAUGH: Well, we've got another tape from -- I get these guys confused -- Usama bin Laden. Another tape says he's going to invade Pakistan and declare war on Pakistan and Musharraf, which, ladies and gentlemen, puts him on the same page with a Democrat presidential candidate -- that would be Barack "Uss-Obama." And let's go back to August 1st: "U-Bama" gave a speech on counterterrorism, and here's a portion of what he said."
And the Magic Negro tape is used over and over and over on his show; just as he used to play "Movin' on Up" whenever mentioning Carol Moseley Braun. And just as he suddenly is incapable of pronouncing the word "ask" when he speaks about a black person (saying "aks" instead).
But no, he's not racist; just taken out of context. LOL LOL. At least have the courage of your convictions!
He compares Osama to Obama because they both spoke of invading Afghanistan and this is racists? How is that racists?
And I still luagh my ass off when I hear the Magic Negro parody, not because it mocks Obama bu t because it mocks the LA times, you will have to fill me in with some links to your other points because I do not recall either, maybe this was before my time listening to the show.
I call him racist because he is racist. Plain and simple. If you can find me examples of Rush Limbaugh DEFENDING black people from racism, well, have at it.
In the meantime, I think "Jeff Christie" is feeling the sting of karma.
Rush could prove he's no racist once an' f'r all. Come out an' endorse Obama f'r President. Betther yet, donate lots of money t' his campaign. That'd convince me. 'Till then I will be siftin' through th' Oxycontin cartons lookin' f'r the laundhry box his white hood back came in.
Then why has he had a black person on his staff for the majority of his career?
Sure I can, every time he ridicules the race pimps Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
All right, so how is Bodhi1's comment not a personal attack?
LOL. Having a black person on staff doesn't make a person NON-racist. But telling a black person who calls into your show to "take the bone out of your nose" and shifting into pseudo-ebonics when talking about black people certainly does. Hey, you listen to the show too. You know what I'm talking about.
As for me being a tool, maybe I am. But I'm certainly not the one who revels in playing "Moving on Up" when mentioning the first black Congresswoman.
I assume this is what you are talking about.
No, I'm talking about Rush's racism and hatred. Such as the "Moving on Up" theme and saying "aks".
On the hatred theme, don't you find it hilariously ironic that Rush said this about Kurt Cobain, when he himself is a drug addict?
"Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentleman, I just--he was a worthless shred of human debris..." (TV show, 4/11/94)
Plus the fact that it's just a disgusting thing to say about a young man he'd never met. But please, onward with the defenses. They are funny. I love watching grown men defend the Britney Spears of radio.
Dagda, I guess it can be a personal attack. I think most people see the point I was making.
Saying something is because you say it is isn't evidence that it actually is. It's circular logic.
Circular logic works because circular logic works. See?
I apologize if btb took it as a personal attack. If so, I request it be deleted.
All of this noise, all of these red herrings. This thread is not about Kurt Cobain or "Obama the Magic Negro."
Let's get back on point: did Rush Limbaugh say that actual US soldiers who oppose the war are "phony soldiers" because of their war opposition?
i dont care if he was mocking the times.. the magic negro is offensive and shouldnt have been on his shouldnt. And yous guys were all over that senator that called him clean, which also was offensive, you blindness to this offense shows your faux partisan outrage.
"He compares Osama to Obama because they both spoke of invading Afghanistan and this is racists? How is that racists?"
OOO please.
and for your letter from a lib that is priceless
"I have been drawn to the side of conservatism in human action, instead of big government help. The fact that I am a visual artist is even harder for me to agree with the conservative views because liberals get so much government money for art.
lol like the last gop congress the most expensive in us history. And sorry i dont know to many artists living high on the hog on government handouts. You'll have to show me the non starving artists.
Er...Joules, who are "you guys" that you are referring to?
And, if you are referring to Joe Biden calling Obama "clean," I accepted Biden's explanation of that remark. Most thinking Americans with a memory know that back in the 1950s and 1960s, a person who was really smart, good looking, and charismatic would be called things such as "sharp" and "clean." That's all it meant. It was a compliment.
Given that language and slang change with the times, it was probably ill-advised of Biden to use the term, but it was in NO way racist. Again, a person's intent and the context of their remarks are always important to consider. Biden explained it, he was truthful, and most Americans understood and moved on. Obama certainly did.
What's funny about all of this? "Air America".
Where did it go? I mean it was a HUGE success story...wasn't it? LOL!
Every d*mn liberal in America is hopping mad that they don't have anyone talented to spread their message on the radio that can't go five minutes without truly insulting someone.
Seriously! Al Franken??? How high do you have to be to listen to that hate-spewing and vulgar *celeb*???
No matter how much money George Soros threw into that sinking ship, even HE couldn't buy the ratings to justify keeping that drivel on the air. Even the libs stopped listening.
It's rampant jealousy of the liberal kind. Plain and simple.
Besides: Harry Reid is an ingnorant, pompous blow-hard. Who really gives a tinkers d*mn what he thinks or says anyway? Remember: We "lost the war" after-all...What a clown!
I rather liked this "phony" soldier's response.
That would have been a good response if Limbaugh had actually said what you claim he said, but he clearly didn't.
"I apologize if btb took it as a personal attack. If so, I request it be deleted. "
Not at all, Bodhi. Thanks for the apology, but it isn't necessary. I know how you meant it and I'm a big girl. I'm not a delicate flower that needs defending from big strong men like Rush.
I'm enjoying the debate!
Bodhi here's Rush's attempt to change what he really said. It's pathetic.
So, in order to defend Media Matters' libelous statements against Rush Limbaugh, you offer me a link from Media Matters.
Hmm.
Hey, I offer you a transcript of the whole thing compared with a transcript of what Rush claimed was the whole thing. Rush is hardly going to call himself a liar now is he?
Prove me wrong don't shoot the messenger.
Of course there isn't. Rush gives th' hate away f'r free!!! It's th' Viagra an' th' "rare civil war gold coins" an' th' 1-800-FLOWERS an' all th' other crap he advartizes that ye have t' pay f'r! Hate is pretty cheap these days, especially right-wing hate, what with th' glut in th' market an' all, so ye'll not be able to sell it at anny price. But ye can give it away as a way of sayin' "Feck ye for buyin' our fine advartizers' goods an' sarvices!"
If ye click on th' clip in the link Djehunty provided ye can see Rush Limbaugh's lips actually sayin' th' things Media Matter says he was sayin'.
Nowhere d'ye see th' hands of George Soros shtuck up Rush's arse loike an evil puppetmaster.
Which can lead t' th' wan conclusion only: Rush Limbaugh said anny an' all soldiers who disagree with the American policy in Iraq (an' roughly half t' two-thirds of all soldiers or recent veterans do disagree with it) are "phony soldiers."
That's th' thrue neoconsarvative "fûck th' throops" attitude comin' out in th' sunshine f'r all t' gaze at an' be uttherly disapp'inted with. That's th' thrue "war is good f'r other people's childhern t' die in so I can get rich" attitude that is on display, finally. That's th' depths of disgoostin' talkin', naked an' unalloyed consarvative-racist-chauvinistic-jingo clapthrap, bullyin' annyone who disagrees with him because 'tis always "Fûck ye Jack I've got mine" with Rush an' his ilk.
Pathriot, ye say?! Rush wouldn't know thrue pathtriotism if it crept up an' bit him on his surgically modifed arse! Rush couldn't give a tinker's dam about what's good f'r Americans or America. 'Tis only when 'tis good f'r his small an' selfish clique that he says 'tis good f'r Americans. When 'tis good for America but not good f'r him, then watch him bloviate an' howl, as he is doin' right now. Give 'im hell, Harry!
TJG - are you saying that rush has no moderates in his audience? Would that that be true -media matters would have no reason for being.
still, it is interesting to note the incredible rush the democrats made in attempting to smear limbaugh as "anti-troops" without any modicum of fact checking
Hehehehe I still say Rush will make a fortune (or is that another fortune?) from the free publicity on this, I figure $2 mil net easy.
He's only anti-troops if the troops are not from his political ideology. For example, he isn't very kind to Kerry, and I doubt he has nice things to say about Max Cleland....
But they don't count as "troops", because they are filthy libruls, right?
As Larry Elder says, "Facts to a liberal are like kryptonite to Superman."
First time I wrote that it was collapsed. Probably will be this time too. Doesn't mean it isn't true.
What facts does Rush have, Bodhi? That you agree with his bloviating doesn't make his words facts.
Larry who??
We all know that reality has a liberal bias. Catchy slogans, especially the ones that betray the lack of subtance they are trying to hide, have a neocon bias.
Just another misconception, When he went to Afghanistan (last year I think) he commented that there where troops that he met with that did not hold his same beliefs, but he still met with them to talk about the war and still commented on the fact on air, that is the stuff you will not get from Media Matters.
Whatever he said last year is not what he said the other day; he specifically brought up the fact that troops that have signed up over the past four years KNOW what they are getting into. That has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesse MacBeth and everything to do with passing judgment on soldiers that are against the war.
He needs to be a man about this, if he can come off of the drugs long enough to own up to it.
Wow, there are so many misconceptions flying around. Proof that we are fighting an uphill battle as conservatives thanks to the brutal leftist hegemony that has the mainstream media and the core of the Democratic party under their thumbs - so much misinformation out there!
OK, first of all, Rush didn't criticize actual soldiers - he criticized an actual "phony." Conservatives do not say that military personnel cannot legitimately criticize the war or the President, and Rush didn't say that. This is has been proven clearly and definitively and yet the filthy LIARS at Media Matters who distort and take quotes out of context (because so many people are so deprived of the ability to focus on anything more than a 10 second sound bite) continue to peddle this story - and weasels like Harry Reid and Tom Harkin pick it up and run with it.
Secondly, there is NOTHING WRONG with criticizing John Kerry or Max Cleland based upon facts, issues, or policies. Every American should honor those men for their service, but that doesn't make them immune from criticism. And, in the case of Kerry, he betrayed his brothers in the military when he came home and repeatedly made the statements that he made. That can, should, and will be criticized.
I have no problem with soldiers complaining about Kerry. I have a problem with a man with a boil on his rear end who came right out and said he did NOT want to go to Vietnam criticizing soldiers.
Don't you? You ought to.
Facts! As if Limbaugh ever heard of such a thing!
How about the facts concerning phony soldiers fighting against this war? Those are facts. There are fake soldiers making up stories to convince people to be against the war.
Now, what facts are the MoveOn.org ass-kissers in Congress using?
They are th' matchin' set t' th' fake pathriots makin' up stories to convince people to be f'r th' war.
"Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction" "uranium from Africa" "the surge is working."
Got proof of these fake soldiers, Bodhi?
So.... "Mike from Chicago" was a phony? Jesse Macbeth did change his name?
Because that was who the caller was responding to. I'd go and get the transcript, but we all know transcripts have a "liberal bias".
But don't worry everybody! Rush has taken it upon himself to show the troops just how much he respects them! By editing his own clip and airing it on Armed Forces Network! Support the troops by treating them like idiots! Your tax dollars hard at work!
Someone above tried to do a slam on Air America, and I just have to say that always amuses me. How many times has Rush visited the troops he supports so much over there? Because Al Frankin gets over there a few times a year for shows, and was doing so long before Rush decided it was "trendy" (and by "trendy" I mean "very profitable for him") to "Support the Troops" (and by "Support the Troops", I mean calling them phonies and lying to them).
But all this is neither here or there, even though it's amusing to see Tom flip out and start making parallels to Niemöller. The point to all of this - don't use congress to @!$%# with our freedom of speech. Because it could very well be turned back around at you. But you guys didn't stop to think about that one, did you? Nope. Stickin' it to some liberals over MoveOn was way more important than say, thinking actually about the very scary precedent you were setting in congress in regards to speech. Grab a mirror and take a seat guys. You brought this on yourself, and while Rush's pockets might get fatter but you are not - your credibility has waned considerably.
That would be me, Stacy. And I STILL think is frackin' hilarious! :-))
I can't speak to the point you laid out as to Rush not visiting the troops because I hardly ever listen to him unless I'm in the car (not too often), nor can I say the same about Al Franken for that matter; I wouldn't listen to his drivel if I had a pre-frontal lobotomy to be quite blunt about it.
But that wasn't my point IF you actually read my comment.
My point was this (in a nutshell): Rush is still on the air with no sight of him going anywhere anytime soon, and Air America was such a joke - even to liberals who STOPPED LISTENING - that they went off the air no matter how much money Soros threw into that failed endeavor, and y'all are still sore about it, regardless.
Liberals talk often how they "need a Rush of our own" to counter him, yet, no one in your ideology can hold a candle to him on a good day. Air America proved that much to the world. Y'all are just bitter and jealous I think.
Um, Air America is still on th' air. Randi Rhodes beats Rush in many markets. She's a lot like Rush, only with bigger balls. F'r instance, in this case, she has the missing 2 minutes of Rush's tape on her website. This is th' 2 minutes where Rush first accuses soldiers against th' war of bein' "phony soldiers." Ewwww smells like a lyin' sack of sh!te.
Dagda,
Randi Rhodes also served in the air force, she had the same cyst rush had, and they took her. Hmmmm...
Whatever you say, Limbaugh is an expert at brainwashing his sheeple followers into thinking that whatever emanates forth from his orifices is the truth. I personally know sheeple that swear by him and believe he is next only to God.
He made a mistake in calling our troops phony, and now he knows that the world knows that he does not really support the troops. He only supports money (and drugs of course) and anything is fair game in attaining more of it. @!$%# the troops. That is his mentality.
I wonder why he loves money so much that in his greed, he hates America so much? And does that mean that his followers and devotees also hate America so much?
Wow, that is a lot of cheap shots for one comment, Mubarak, have you ever listened to the show?
Bingo...he was called out and he and his Dittoheads are trying to make lemonade from the gaffe.
Yes, and I almost threw up at some of the things he says. He is the walking definition of a bigot.
I've listened to his show; until sometime around 2002 I was a Bush supporter and though I can't even stomach the idea now, I actually LIKED HANNITY. I listened occasionally to Limbaugh, but I could clearly see he was a bit on the irrational side. Suddenly, the events surrounding 9/11 - the sickening use of dead Americans as a political tool, the way the war was handled, and many, many other things, I started to see that the republican party I'd been RAISED with wasn't what they were cracked up to be.
I know all of the tomfoolery surrounding Rush and his love for that Magic Negro song, too. What kills me is he is so rebellious and in your face with that garbage, and will lie through his teeth that that doesn't make him racist.
He and the bulk of his followers are low creatures.
What about you, ajs?
You don't think Limbaugh is a bigot?
No not at all, I would have to disagree with this statement and all the personal attacks you threw in there.
I've never been a fan of Hannity, not sure why you liked him.
Can you give an example so I can better understand? Or what ever you can recall.
Why the attacks Mubarak? Surely from this thread you can see that I am a listener, I hope you are not implying this towards me, what would lead you to believe this?
4.6
I think you are confusing me for someone else. Only the first line you quoted is mine. The rest are not. Suggest you go through them again and you'll see who wrote what.
Limbaugh said this once:
You don't think it's bigoted?
No, I think its funny and I think that is why he said it. I also do not believe that he was implying that all feminist are ugly, he is an entertainer first.
That is some weird logic, my friend.
In any case, given that you think Limbaugh is not bigoted or has made bigoted statements in the past, looks like your definition of bigotry is something else from the norm. So, can't argue with you on this no more.
Well at least we can end this by calling each other friend, friend.
Of course he's bigoted; that can't even really be a question in anyone's mind; at least not in the mind of anyone who is honest.
"Aks"?
As far as irrationality, I'd like to remind you of what this man says about "liberals", which to Rush is anyone left of extreme right. He calls them long-haired, dope-smoking, maggot-infested...now dope-smoking is hilarious coming from someone on drugs himself! That, my dear man, is irrational.
LOLOLOL, yeah, right.
"Whatever you say...." That means, no matter what the truth is or what anyone could say about it, you will insist on sticking to your story. Fine, big surprise there.
Perhaps you should listen more to Rush yourself or get to know some of his listeners personally. I know, you're afraid if you listen, you might get brainwashed, but I am confident, MH, that you are smart enough to avoid falling under his spell.
The average Rush listener is actually well-educated, actively informed on history, news, and current events, independant-minded, and outspoken. That means, when they don't agree with Rush - even if they like him - they will call him out on the air. Every day that I've ever heard the show, many times per show, I hear this from callers: "Rush, I love ya, but I gotta disagree with you on this ...." And, since many of Rush Limbaugh's listeners are people who believe in a real God, they don't make the mistake of substituting a false god (though he may be entertaining).
It's very easy for you or others to cut and paste a few out-of-context or inaccurate or incomplete quotes from Media Matters or one of the thousands of blogspots out there dedicated to destroying Rush. But, I dare each one of you to listen to Rush for just 10 minutes per day for the rest of this week, or visit his www.rushlimbaugh.com website and do a little reading for yourself. You may disagree with everything that you will hear or read, but at least you will get a better sense of the man's intelligence, which is more formidable than you've been led to believe.
One other note: when Al Gore's son got into trouble recently for drug problems, Limbaugh spoke out immediately on the air expressing his empathy with the young man, sharing about his own battle with addiction to perscription pain killers, and asking his listeners to be respectful and prayerful for the Gore family.
Did Media Matters report on that?
I consider myself honest and he is not bigoted, sorry that you have so much hate for the man.
I remember hearing this but it definetly was not towards all liberals, as you portrayed.
I do know that he did not say this of people he disagrees with.
"Perhaps you should listen more to Rush yourself or get to know some of his listeners personally. I know, you're afraid if you listen, you might get brainwashed, but I am confident, MH, that you are smart enough to avoid falling under his spell.
The average Rush listener is actually well-educated, actively informed on history, news, and current events, independant-minded, and outspoken. That means, when they don't agree with Rush - even if they like him - they will call him out on the air. Every day that I've ever heard the show, many times per show, I hear this from callers: "Rush, I love ya, but I gotta disagree with you on this ...." And, since many of Rush Limbaugh's listeners are people who believe in a real God, they don't make the mistake of substituting a false god (though he may be entertaining). "
Maybe Jeff Christie ought to take that advice and get to know a few liberals, or black people...
More personal attacks, can't you guys think of something better?
How is saying he ought to get to know a few liberals or black people a personal attack? Besides, I was "taken out of context" like Rush was.
Seriously, every time he puts his fat foot in his mouth, he cries about how he's taken out of context. I don't think poor Jeff Christie really knows what the term means....
Is it not ironic for a person calling himself "Bigger the Better" to mock Rush Limbaugh for using an on-air pseudonym?
And, no, my real name is not Tom Bombadil, either.
So, how about giving the whole "Jeff Christie" spiel a rest, eh?
Why? Is he ashamed of the name Jeff Christie? He is an entertainer, and It IS his old pseudonym, and since he seems to enjoy the entire nickname-giving thing himself (can you think of a non-republican politician he doesn't have a nickname for?) I support him in his effort!
Go Jeff!
Nobody else in the entertainment industry has ever used a pseudonym, right?
Rush is an entertainer. He's there to make money...if he wasn't, there wouldn't be erectile dysfunction commercials advertised every 10 minutes or Rush saying "My friends call 1-800-Flowers..."
I don't put stock in entertainers.
This is a fair statement and with no personal attacks, I appreciate that.
That IS true. It's hard to take seriously someone who hawks flowers, face cream for women, mattresses, etc.
That's why when he weighs in on political matters I want to chuck him under the chin and say "aw, did you think of that all by your little self" and send him off with a bon bon and a nice new pair of shoes.
sthig, you are largely correct. Rush is an entertainer, and he freely admits it. But, he's also a bit more well-informed than BTB gives him credit for.
And, to BTB, I will say this: if you are a disillusioned former Republican, I can't blame you too much. But, don't let bitterness or cynicism make you sweep away the positive principles and values that you cherish. While the Republicans have disappointed many of us, running into the arms of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary Clinton is not the answer. I'm not saying that you are, I'm just commenting here....
I dunno, I feel he gets his news from a staff of people who just listen to 10 second soundbites and whatever Matt Whatshisface puts up on his site. I could be (and probably am) wrong.
I feel that he should have to make a daily disclaimer "this radio show is for entertainment purposes only." I really feel like he's as bad as reality tv. There's nothing real about it...it's just there to push product and make money. This is my opinion though.
If Rush were to strike out and be independent, pay for his own radioshow (he should have no problem with that, his cigars probably cost more than my weekly grocery bill), not have commercial product...then I might stomach him. It'd show a lot of guts on his behalf.
Sorry, Tom, but I am going to remain firmly independent as I see nothing of value in the republican party, and only a little of value in the dem party these days.
The republicans irk me more than dems these days because of their moralizing hypocrisy. Jeff Christie-Limbaugh is just one symptom of the sickness that has pervaded this party. The multiple marriages, the drug addiction...how can someone elevate him above the liberals he blasts???
Good point, sthig...Rush is kind of the Britney Spears of political pundit-entertainment. Problems remaining married, the drugs, past arrest/legal troubles....Fortunately, however, we've never had to see Old Rush Christie without undies1
Cue RUSH>>:
RUSH: "My friends, I'm not the president of the Heir Club for Men, I'm a client!..."
ajs
I've read through most of your responses. I guess that I have never considered the Limbaugh Show to be comedy, but since you have found so many of Rush's comments funny, it must be comedy.
I stopped listening to him years ago when all the radio stations in my area ceased carrying his program. I used to hear parts of his program occasionally. And all the time, I thought he was serious. Silly me, now I find out he is all about comedy. Thanks for setting me straight.
Its not all comedy but I do get a laugh out of it usually, I read some sarcasm in your comment, could you please provide your view without the fogging addition of sarcasm, it can make things confusing.
ajs, I find him very humorous as well. and humorous people shouldn't be taken seriously.
But on the other hand, Rush "Jeff Christie" Limbaugh IS right once in a while! For instance, here.
“Too many whites are getting away with drug use. The answer is to ... find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river.”
Yep, too many whites get away with drug use...trust him, he KNOWS!
Rush has been contrite about the addiction to prescribed pain killers. I suppose it's some kind of poetic justice that liberal tolerant people continue to kick him because of that and mock him.
Tom I think I can come at this with an angle.
I think Rush falls into the righteous, moral majority, conservative Christian crowd. Even I get angry as hell to hear him espouse so eloquently about the liberals and their morals when he himself has a tree lodged in his eye.
and don't get me started on Newt.
so bringing it up, I feel, is worth not forgetting and reminded often.
Sthig, no question there have been some terrible behaviors from some right wing evangelical conservative Christians. But, do you believe that all who espouse that point of view are hypocrites? And, is grace available to those who fall short and admit it when they do?
But here's the thing TB: when there is despicable behavior coming from those few right wing evangelical conservative Christians, the ones who hold themselves in a higher tier of moral superiority than those filthy liberals with their drug-addicted colored friends, their AIDS ridden homo kids, and their abortion rights and so on, does the right wing media machine (of which Rush is just a part) take arms the way it does when something happens involving a liberal?
I have no doubt that the grand majority of right-wingers in the country are not hypocritical. They are upstanding people, with strong conviction that what they believe in is the morally superior path. The problem is that you have these hate-mongerers (see below for justification) as the people in the spotlight. When people think of conservative, they think of Rush, they think of Anne Coulter, they think of these people that don't display the principles of conservatism that your arguments allude to? I'd love to see people in the spotlight that espouse love for the world, for their neighbors. But unfortunately for the world, those people aren't the ones you have standing up for you. That's why things like this get blown out of proportion.
*justification for "hate-mongerers" comment:
I took the advice of people on this thread and went to Rush's sight. The first thing I was greeted with was an advertisement for "Club Git'mo", a "tropical retreat from the stress of jihad". This is parody. I know this. But imagine that you stumbled upon an Islamist website which was a parody of detention center for Christians, a "tropical retreat from the stress of crusading," where you could rest from the war and be detained without habeas corpus. Imagine, there was a section (as there is on the Rush site) explaining that you could take your kids there, where they could build sandcastle recreations, only instead of a "parody" sandcastle WTC tower with a plane through it, it would be of the various situations causing 75,000+ excess (non-combatant) deaths in Iraq.
Please tell me that you wouldn't consider this hateful towards Christians. And only if you wouldn't consider this hateful, can you not consider Rush hateful.
I know this "hate" towards Islam (because they have terrorists! Unlike us nice white Christians. Forget Oklahoma City, or the unibomber, or the Atlanta olympics for a sec) is fashionable at the moment, and is not necessarily as politically incorrect as hate towards other groups, but hate-mongering is hate-mongering.
Gah, pardon the spelling mistakes, and wrong words. It's late and I am sort of worked up.
Tom, the problem is that he was still espousing hate toward people on drugs as late as 2005 when he himself was using.
How do you go on the air and kick people for being addicts and then between commercial breaks use drugs yourself? He's reaping what he sowed; isn't that one of his beliefs???
Amen t' that, sthig.
Thanks t' th' Morally Bankrupt Majority's overdrafts at th' Ethereal Grace Thrift & Loan Association, th' grace market is tight these days. There's a line of rayformed "born-ag'ins" with grace applicaytions in their supplicaytin' hands, an' th' line sthretchin' all th' way from here to Purgath'ry Junction. Some of 'em is even serious about th' repentin' business! D'ye credhit that now?!
Annyway, don't expect t' close on a grace applicaytion f'r at least one aeon afther ye apply an' arre aprroved, an' don't be surprised if th' delay sthretches well into Æon №. 2!
Ah! ........Rush Limbaugh- What can one say.....
A very mortal man-
Yet, Metamorphosed into an IDOL -
of "Idiot Worshipers"
Well, that's nice and all, but he didn't use his celebrity to preach that addicts should be contrite and all is forgiven. Rather, he said on many occasions that addicts should be jailed and treated harshly. But I guess he doesn't think what he preaches applies to him.
TheJonesGirl, ye have t'listen!! What he actually said was that addicts should be jailed an treated harshly unless they have their own right-wing radio talk show. In that case they should be left alone, except for one day a year when they should have t' come down t' th' jail t' mistreat an' make fun of th' run of th' mill drug addicts. See what ye miss when ye don't listen carefully?!
Dammit, I knew I was missing something :)
It's hard to extend grace to that man. Doable...but hard.
It'd be hard for me to forgive Rush and invite him over to dinner. Once again, I might be able to pull it off, but I think given the choice, I'd rather have Dr. Dobson and Bush over for dinner.
My dislike for Rush is not all the blabbing he does, it's that he's just a money making machine like everything else on the radio (don't get me started on DJ's either). Anyone that is trying to inform (or entertain) me and then turns around to sell product is a BIG TURN OFF for me and they don't get my patronage.
The only radio station I can remotely handle is NPR and that's because the advertising is quick and not intrusive with "BILL'S USED CAR BLOWOUT! OUR PRICES ARE INSANE!!!" or as said before, "erectile dysfunction." I'm CLEARLY not their (the EIB network) target market and it makes me think that Rush listeners have a serious sexual issue henceforth my perception of them being "middle aged angry white males" (and now I know where the anger comes from).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not making an attack here...but this is where my perception. I don't listen to Air America and don't know their line of advertising and target market...but I'm sure I'd come up with a judgment call on them too. I'm sure their DJ's and pundits are just as ridiculous.
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it should be noted that I do enjoy Colbert and Stewart but only for the laugh factor. Also I tivo it so I can fast forward through the advertising and don't have to be bothered with it. But even then, I've stopped tivoing it because the funny is the same thing everyday...nothing dynamic.
lygaret
Would that they do so. It would be better than the videos and audio's of the screams of the people who are dying as they cut their heads off.
One other note: when Al Gore's son got into trouble recently for drug problems, Limbaugh spoke out immediately on the air expressing his empathy with the young man, sharing about his own battle with addiction to perscription pain killers, and asking his listeners to be respectful and prayerful for the Gore family.
Did Media Matters report on that?
Rush has been contrite about the addiction to prescribed pain killers. I suppose it's some kind of poetic justice that liberal tolerant people continue to kick him because of that and mock him.
7!#6.3 - Mon Oct 1, 2007 11:34 PM EDT
Yes ,but let's be accurate please.Regardless of how he was introduced to the drug. The Oxycontin "was not prescribed".... unless his house maid was an M.D..
He did not turn himself in as a junkie, an continued to buy illigal drugs off the street by Maid Proxy, until he was outed in a drug sweep . He is contrite because he belongs in jail, an he knows it.
He went to rehab because every junkie, that is caught, has to go. Liberals may be kind....but not all that stupid.
Al Gore's son .......is not Al Gore.
If he were........ Limbaugh would not miss the opportunity.
He instead used it [AL Gore's son's problem] to solicit sympathy for his own former criminal drug activity.
An now that we're accurate.
Let's give honesty a shot-
Anyone with a drug or alcohol problem can turn themselves in an still retain their job an get all the help they need. However,......... if you fail a random Drug Test ......it is immediate termination. No excuses.
The rules were bent for Mr. Limbaugh.
Because he's an Idol- The god "Janus" comes to mind........
So you support random drug testing? There is no federal law about this except for people working on government contracts so there is no issue.
Dude, go outside, breath the air, find somewhere beautiful to sit and ponder the universe instead of pouring out bile here.
space guy
So you support random drug testing? There is no federal law about this except for people working on government contracts so there is no issue. space guy@gp Dude, go outside, breath the air, find somewhere beautiful to sit and ponder the universe instead of pouring out bile here.
Let us know when you will be dropping out of orbit....
I don't want to be hit with "space junk"
space guy@gp So you support random drug testing? There is no federal law about this except for people working on government contracts ??????
Unless it's some other "Junk" keeping you aloft ?
Well that's mature.
what is the Jeff Christie remark that keeps getting made?
It's a dumb cheap shot made at Rush Limbaugh over the fact that in the early 1970s on a Pittsburgh radio station, "Jeff Christie" was Limbaugh's on-air name as a rock disc jockey. I'm sure back then that he played records by Robert Zimmerman (Bob Dylan), Reg Dwight (Elton John), Vincent Furnier (Alice Cooper), and Richard Starkey (Ringo Starr). Hopefully, he avoided the music of Arnold George Dorsey (Englebert Humperdinck).
This is big news? And, again, the name keeps getting tossed around by someone calling themselves "Bigger the Better" here on Newsvine. LOL. Irony is rich, ain't it?
Well played, Tom. Well played.
No, it's more of a blast at the fact that Jeff Christie got arrested for gay pandering.
Read ...
Anatomy of a Smear: Phony Soldiers is a Phony Story
Tom-
You're just plain, dead wrong. That transcript has been judiciously edited to support his version and save his own hide. (good luck). If he thought he said nothing wrong why has he edited it for his Armed Forces Radio listeners?
I heard the entire tape. He DOES NOT reference just one soldier, he is most clearly speaking about many soldiers , the ones that disagree with the war and Bush's policies.
You and the other righties on this thread are displaying a painfully obvious bias to protect Rush. This just two weeks after frothling at the mouth about the moveon ad. This is why righties get tagged with the hypocrit lable.
Please, your are truly embarassing yourself. I know you probably support Rush, that's fine, not my cup of tea, but ok. Just have backbone to stand up and say when your guy has uttred an over-the-line comment.
This time he really blew it. Admit it and just moveon.
Jimster,
The story on Macbeth has been a big topic (justifiably so) for Rush and many conservatives for weeks. It had been discussed at length and Rush's listeners - the people to whom Rush is addressing - already knew and understood the context of Rush's remarks.
ABC had also done a news story on Macbeth and his ilk and called it "Phony Heroes." There's nothing wrong with what Rush said, and it is plainly NOT aimed at actual soldiers who oppose the war or the President.
I heard the show, I listen regularly to the show, and I don't get spoonfed my information about Rush from Media Matters and its spawn.
Harry would have been smarter to ignore the idiot...
Maybe I should run for Senate considering it seems that neither sides has had anything better to do in the past couple weeks but complain about what so-and-so is saying on the other side...
I'm waiting for one of you guys to go on youtube and defend Rush like that Britney Spears fan did, in a tearful, wailing manner. PLEASE, PLEASE LEAVE RUSHIE ALONE! LOL
I do belive that Rush can stand up for himself like a man. That is more than can be said about Mr. Reid.
mediamatters.org/items/200508040003
All right, we've learned a couple other things. This Paul Hackett is a trial lawyer, folks (laughing). He's a personal injury lawyer like [2004 Democratic vice presidential candidate] John Edwards. And it appears that, you know, he goes to Iraq to pad the resumé, come back and run as a big supporter of the war, or at least finishing the project over there.
[...]
This is a personal injury trial lawyer in the mold of John Edwards, the Breck Girl, who is trying to hide once again his liberalism behind a military uniform. You would think they would learn.
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LIMBAUGH: So where are we? Well, we're on the Rush Limbaugh program and the EIB network but we're also hearing that Democrats once again lose an election running an ultraliberal hiding behind a military uniform. They once again lose an election pretending to be something that they are not -- a hawk on the military and a hawk on the war in Iraq. They run again, once again, as deceivers and, once again, they lose.
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These are just a few of his past comments where he claims that liberals "hide" behind military uniforms. In a nutshell, he does indeed think that anyone who is democratic or liberal (or non-republican!) is a phony soldier.
From yer gob to The Dagda's ear: Bill O'Reilly tongues Rush's {broadcastin} cyst'm.
Here is Limbaugh's own "humor" set to a real comedy routine. Bill Hicks on Rush
Someone posted Limbaugh's own apologia and denouncement of th' denouncement. Rush tongues Bill O'Really back Here's where he puts up his version of th' truth (about 5 minutes in). He neglects to admit that the one soldier he claims he is calling a "phony soldier" was indeed a soldier. 'Twould be like me callin' George Bush a "phony Raypublican." He is, afther all, a Raypublican.
Here is Rush read out on th' House floor by Rep. Jan Schakowsky of Illinois: Real soldiers, not phony soldiers, oppose the war in Iraq
An' now, this: Who's callin' who a phony?
So that's th' YouTube Roundup on Rush f'r today. Check back later f'r more disgraceful videos. Don't forget to flush
Rush!A "phony soldier" shows his bona fides an' then gives Rush th' bird
A laconic Afghanistan veteran takes a while t' warm t' his subject but speaks eloquently enough about what he thinks about Rush Limbaugh's faux pathriotism.
Soldier tells Rush to stop telling lies
Veteran of combat and Congressional candidate calls Rush a liar, a coward and a bully...and that's th' nice language.
A "phony soldier" ye can vote f'r — if yer lucky enough t' live in the 29th Congressional District of New York. Eric Massa pulls no punches.
The soldier now appearing in the anti-Rush ads is no phony soldier. He's a hero. But, he's been deceived into believing that Rush "said" something that he simply never said.
Daga in #11.3
The gentleman was not a solider. You have to at least finish basic training to become a solider. The guy washed out in 44 days.
dang, misspelled soldier twice!
...and The Dagda once, space guy!!
Should never post after 12:00 am, sorry Dagda!
A major general excoriates Rush. Maj. Gen. John Batiste (Ret.) commanded the First Batallion in Iraq in 2003 and is a self-described "die-hard Republican" who opposes the war in Iraq.
Gen. Batiste's journey from warrior to war critic
thinking conservative
I do belive that Rush can "stand up for himself" like a man. That is more than can be said about Mr. Reid.
8!#11.1 - Tue Oct 2, 2007 10:24 AM EDT
Now that he's out of rehab...That's very possible.
Wouldn't ye know it, 'tis ratings time! P'rhaps Rush has a clause in his contract requirin' him t' make a bigger amadán of himself than usual in order t' dhraw more listeners when ad rates are bein' calculated?
Prominent Republicans-
[defined as "Phony Soldiers w/other priorities" by none other that their "Phony" Commanding Officer "Acting Field Marshall" Rush Limbaugh!
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1) Senate Assistant Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-MI - avoided the draft, did not serve. Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve. National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Ensign, R-NV - did not serve.
House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-OH - did not serve. House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-MO - did not serve. House Republican Conerence Chair Adam Putnam, R-FL - did not serve. House Republican Policy Committee Thaddeus McCotter, R-MI - did not serve. National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Tom Cole, R-OK - did not serve.
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani - did not serve. Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney - did not serve in the military but did serve the Mormon Church on a 30-month mission to France. Former Senator Fred Thompson - did not serve. Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so in 2000? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.
Click on the logo above to join America's oldest and most respected environmental organization, and stop Bush's all-out assault on our environment. Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve. Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve. Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself." Former House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.) Rick Santorum, R-PA, formerly third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1) George Felix Allen, former Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve. (1)
Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984. GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh? VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") (1) Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State
Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. (1)
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.
Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2) Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing. "B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea. Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments
Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man. Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations Recently entered plea bargain on felony charges of bribery, etc. etc. Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986 Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre. Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear hypocrite ("I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...") Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action.
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Here are a few more...the Democrats are available on request...but room for" those that served in the military" isn't--
Democrats
Chuck Robb, US Senator from Virginia, served in Vietnam Howell Heflin... Democrat... Silver Star George McGovern, famous liberal, awarded Silver Star & DFC, dozens of missions during WWII. Former President Bill Clinton - avoided the draft through student deferments; in the autumn of 1969, Clinton entered the draft but received a high number (311) and was never called to serve. (CNN article.) "...it was his doubts about the morality of the war and the Selective Service system that led him to abandon the ROTC idea and to subject himself to a draft lottery. Only the luck of the draw - a high lottery number - kept him out. " (Jeff Greenfield, ABC News, quoting Gov. Clinton.) Former President Jimmy Carter, most recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, seven years in the Navy. "Except for his fellow service-academy graduate Dwight Eisenhower, no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform than Carter." (New Yorker Magazine) Former Presidential Nominee Mike Dukakis - United States Army, 1955-'57 (1) Former Senator/Vice Presidential nominee Lloyd Bentsen - B-24 pilot in WWII 1942-'45, Squadron Commander; earned Distinguished Flying Cross, Air Medal with three Oak Leaf Clusters. (1) Former Vice President Walter Mondale, U.S. Army 1951-1953 Former Senator John Glenn, D-OH (1974-1999) - Served in WWII and Korea; extensive military commendations include the Distinguished Flying Cross on six occasions, and the Air Medal with 18 Clusters. Congressman Tom Lantos, D-CA - Did not serve in the US military; did serve in the Hungarian anti-Nazi underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg, is the only Holocaust survivor to serve in Congress.
Former President Jimmy Carter, most recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, seven years in the Navy. "Except for his fellow service-academy graduate Dwight Eisenhower, no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform than Carter."
What a justice driven Christian moron.
What a lilly livered coward--
What a dumb, ignorant, peanut farmer-
Somebody bring this guy up to DC BELTWAY speed.
[He attended Georgia Southwestern College and Georgia Tech, finally receiving a B. S. from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1947. On July 7, 1947, Carter married his sweetheart, Rosalyn Smith.
Admiral Hyman Rickover personally selected him for the crew of the Seawolf, the second nuclear sub (first was Nautilus). He would serve under Rickover for the final two years of his career in the Navy, working as engineering officer on the nuclear sub. With the death of his father in 1953, Carter returned to Georgia to run the family business.
........Yep! ...a real dummy]
"Hey Dicky!! [George SR. to Dick Cheney] Let's go behind his back to Iran an screw [Carter] him good...."
[N.B. Sarcasm included]
If that is what we get from military officers then God help us all.
Oh by the way Lincoln, nor Franklin Roosevelt never served in the military. They presided over the largest wars in our nation's history. Does that disqualify them?
P'rhaps th' Raypublicans could change fr'm bein' th' GOP to bein' the DNS (Did Not Serve) Party. At least all of 'em except f'r McCain, that is. Here's how it'd look:
"LE MARS, Iowa (AP) — Presidential candidate Rudolph Giuliani (DNS-N.Y.) announced today he favors sending more American men to Iraq and killing them. ..."
I'll go wan further f'r ye. Annywan who is in favor of killin' American throops should have their military background broadcast right up front in th' artycull.
"RUSHVILLE, Iowa (AP) - Presidential contender Hillary Rodham Clinton, (DNS-N.Y.) said she would not rule out keeping troops in Iraq, where they could be killed, for up to five more years....
At least ye'd know what ye're buyin' that way.
Rush....."busted in a nick of time".....may have saved EIB Licence
No, because they WON their wars.
Bush, who did "serve" ("swerve" is more what I heard, but let's not quibble) in the military, has LOST his war in Iraq. So on two counts, he's no Lincoln an' sartainly no FDR. Think Warren Harding with a speech impediment.
#11.19
There is a difference between broadcasters that are license holders and the syndicated programs that air on these networks.
You do understand this don't you?
If what you are saying is the case, then 80% of Hollywood, and 95% of the bands in the country would be in big trouble.
Dagda
I would dispute that we have lost the war in Iraq. There is little to back up your thesis in the conditions on the ground there today. Yes it has been more difficult to win the peace but that is the price that you pay for operating in that part of the world. Heck we kept troops in Germany for half a century after WWII and they are still there and in Japan.
Also notice, in the quote above, that it looks like this is a voluntary program, even for the licensees.
Glad to help you clear up these misconceptions that you have.
space guy#11.19
There is a difference between broadcasters that are license holders and the syndicated programs that air on these networks.
You do understand this don't you?
If what you are saying is the case, then 80% of Hollywood, and 95% of the bands in the country would be in big trouble.
4!#11.21 - Wed Oct 3, 2007 3:36 PM EDT
No ......really?
Do bands talk politics? [Do they talk at all?]
Does Hollywood air political opinion talk shows ....or just movies?
Do "individuals" in hollywood have opinions....an vent them in interviews? Yes
Does all the media cater to them ?
Yes
Did they scream Mel Gibson was an alcoholic?
Yes
Should all employees of a FCC licenced station with acess to "Public Airwaves" be tested-
Yes
An IF you think NO---then I must wonder if YOU would pass such a test.
What are we hiding? ......If there's nothing to hide?... spaceguy
I want you, space guy, t' run t' th' market in Sadr City f'r Me today and get Me a litre of milk. When ye bring Me th' litre of milk, then ye can talk, if yer still alive. Otherwise, whisht will ye with yer nonsense?!
DA
It is up to us to respond in a reasonable manner to the affronts here and thereby show the relative value of our contributions.
Yeah that comment is bull@!$%# Dagda, this forum is for adults, please oblige or don't comment.
gpnavonod
Drug and Alcohol Testing By Gregg P. Skall
A question which frequently arises with broadcasters is the issue of drug and alcohol testing. Drug use on the job and the job-related effects of drug use off the job have become prominent concerns among many FCC licensees. to test the blood or urine of employees and job applicants for drug and alcohol use.
Rush....."busted in a nick of time".....may have saved EIB Licence
0!#11.19 - Wed Oct 3, 2007 3:19 PM EDT
spaceguy......What is your reading comprehension level?
"Many are adopting programs" ....What does that mean to you?
....."busted in a nick of time".....What does that mean to you?
in the quote above, that it looks like this is a voluntary program
You sound like you don't understand "Snark". Ask Rush-
DAWeb
Yet
another worthless comment from the worlds foremost user/abuser of " ' "'s
An "worthless" is something you are intimately acquainted with-
No argument here about that-
Spaceguy, you are correct.
Dagda, I apologize. My comment was of no value and was uncalled for.
ajs, feel free to delete my comment number 11.26. it offered no value to the conversation here.
gpnavonod
Yes I am sure that's exactly what you meant. It is amazing how easy it is for misunderstandings to erupt over trivialities as the seeded thread indicates.
Hmmm....
So the criterion is not whether or not the president got us into the war but whether or not he wins. Interesting take on it, had not seen it put in that fashion before. It is my understanding that for the first few years of the war between the states, the U.S. military lost the vast majority of the battles to an inferior military. It got turned around after a while when a new general, who knew how to fight that particular enemy, was finally promoted to the general of the army. It is my understanding as well that most of the other generals, especially the ones who retired beforehand, hated him and criticized him at every opportunity. The president at the time was so ignorant of the ways of war that he had to go to the national library and read books on the subject.
The president? Lincoln.
The general? Grant.
Oh and it is my understanding that the new general won because he adopted the theory of total warfare. This meant burning the enemy cities, destroying their crops and homes and creating hundreds of thousands of refugees, including the sick, the old, and the very young. Many civilians died in this humanitarian crisis. This created enough hardships that after the war tens of thousands moved away from the country to south America where their descendants live to this day.
D'ye think th' American people would stand f'r "total war" in Iraq when Bush can't (or won't) even get a draft t' increase th' throop strength t' what his gin'rals asked f'r back in 2002? "Total war in Iraq" = total revolution at home.
Dagda
There has been an increase in troop strength. There was an increase of 30,000 and I think that there was recently another one. I just read where the Army budget is going up by $3 billion a year to pay for the increased personnel costs. The army is headed to 547,000 in uniform. This is still well below the peak of 780,000 soldiers during the Reagan administration.
by the way, your writing is classist in how you are using language.
Abraham Lncoln He was elected captain of an Illinois militia company drawn from New Salem during the Black Hawk War, and later wrote that he had not had "any such success in life which gave him so much satisfaction."[9] Though he never saw combat
F.D.R. Was a cripple in a wheelchair-1921 -1945
space guy@gpnavonod
OK .....sry for snapping
Never mind how I use language, ye whelp. I write how I speak, an' I l'arned t' speak English lang b'fore ye were born. Wisha! Lang b'fore yer great-grandda' was born! I cannot be classist ag'inst Mesilf, can I?
Stick t' th' argument. Th' throops have never been increased beyond what was on hand at th' invasion, which th' gin'rals told Rumsfeld was far below what was needed t' win th' war an' hold th' counthry together aftherwards. General Shinseki calls for 'hundreds of thousands' of troops to occupy Iraq (fr'm 2002) Amazin' how he looks loike a prophet t'day, an' Wolfowitz looks loike an eejit, d'ye see?
"Why the military is failing in Iraq" A 2005 artycull by Michael Schwartz. Here's th' most salient p'ints:
Th' mess right now might take 500,000 soldiers in Iraq t' sort out. But it won't happen without a draft.
As f'r yer contention that th' peak of U.S. milith'ry strength was reached in th' Reagan adhminishtration (780,000), arrah, ye must be smokin' somethin', young wan! More than 16 million men were undher arms in World War II, nearly 6 million were in uniform during th' Korean War, and so forth.
PDF showin' a chart of U.S. throop strengths an' lots of other facts
Rush is cut from the same cloth as Ann Coulter. Plain and simple. And neither are any more or any less profound than Howard Stern.
Okay, you guys have to understand: politics is perceptions. The perception of what he said was not good for him. ----------------------------------------------
That's a quote by Rush Limbaugh himself, when discussing Ron Paul. It's appropriate to this case.
Ok, I am convinced. Yesterday, I spent 8-10 hours listening/reading to Rush Limbaugh on the radio/Internet from clippings and other sources, whatever I could find. I have to say a lot of my opinions have changed. A lot of stuff that I believed to be true are not. I have been enlightened. So, just for the record, these are my current standings as a result of the knowledge gained from Limbaugh:
- Feminists are ugly women.
- Liberals are bad smelling hippies.
- Black people can't speak like normal humans. They speak like they have an extra bone in their nose.
- Drug addicts are the worst scum on this planet.
- White people are smarter and more civilized than colored people.
- People that speak Spanish are illegal immigrants good for nothing but using the lawn mowers.
- Soldiers that speak out against the President are phony soldiers.
- Non-Republican soldiers are phony soldiers.
- Inter-racial relationships are a threat to the supremacy of the white race and must be illegalized.
- A woman should never become President. The rightful place of a woman is in the kitchen.
- Jewish people have too much power in this country.
- Gay people are .... ok not this one since I am a homosexual myself. I guess I'll disagree on this one.
I am sure Limbaugh would be proud of this latest convert. I urge my fellow Newsviners to adopt an open mind and listen to what he has to say and you too shall be enlightened.
Achtung! Heil Rush!
Excellent post. And lest anyone not believe that he does, indeed, hate democrat soldiers, here's a little present - a clip to listen to.
Excellent post. And lest anyone not believe that he does, indeed, hate democrat soldiers, here's a little present - a clip to listen to.
(let's try this again)
www.democrats.org/a/2007/09/new_audio_of_ru.php
Get this man t' a therapist b'fore he kills somewan! 10 hours list'nin' t' Rush?!!! Are ye mad or what?!
Did you simply sit down and listen to Rush on the radio or did you listen to out of context clippings compiled by people who are crafting a message to manipulate you?
Why not listen to him directly, unfiltered?
It wouldn't matter; a person could sit there and listen to one entire show and you'd still say it was taken out of context.
This is hilarious. A grown man needs other men to defend him. A man who makes a living attacking woman, Parkinson's patients, soldiers, blacks, and so on...and he can't handle the heat without hiding behind other men's skirts.
I love it.
Er...he doesn't need me to defend him. He's doing a fine job of it himself.
But arrayed against him are the billionaire George Soros (Media Matters and MoveOn benefactor), CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, CNNHL, NPR, USA Today, NY Times, Wash Post, San Fran Chronicle, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Houston Chronicle, Boston Globe, LA Times, et al. And the party who holds the majority in Congress is receiving their marching orders from the Soros wing of the party.
Hear this: I may not always agree with Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingraham, Beck, Elder, O'Reilly, Levine, Coulter, Williams, or other conservatives, but I am speaking out against the recent slanders because the attacks on these folks are really an attack on me and my freedoms as well.
FYI: Tom last disagreed with that gaggle of slaggers at 12:34 p.m. Tuesday, Aug. 6, 2006. Apparently they were all at lunch together an' th' rist of 'em suggested he pick up th' check.
Rush Bimba:
A woman should never become President. The rightful place of a woman is in the kitchen.
Feminists are ugly women.[does he even have a woman--if so , is Golda Meier n Elizabeth I doing his housework?]
- Liberals are bad smelling hippies.[his cigars are rose scented?]
- Black people can't speak like normal humans. They speak like they have an extra bone in their nose.[I thought noses has cartilage,but then he's his own M.D.an writes his own RX]
- Drug addicts are the worst scum on this planet.[self chastisement]
- White people are smarter and more civilized than colored people.[So how does he explain himself?]
- People that speak Spanish are illegal immigrants good for nothing but using the lawn mowers.
[An ,don't forget Rush,a conduit to fill your medicine cabinet]
- Soldiers that speak out against the President are "phony soldiers".
[He himself is one- 'Acting" Field Marshall Rush Limbaugh...so who should know?]
- Non-Republican soldiers are phony soldiers.[well documented in the Congress #11.15]
What a bore....
Hear this: I may not always agree with Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingraham, Beck, Elder, O'Reilly, Levine, Coulter, Williams, or other conservatives, but I am speaking out against the recent slanders because the attacks on these folks are really an attack on me and my freedoms as well.
Ya left out MoveOn Tom-
But then you didn't care for what they said-
That's OK-
And listen to meself about Limbaugh-
An while I'm at it .....I'd like to put Nancy over my knee .....
[hmmmm---she's kind of sexy??]
Damnmit- ..... An give her a lesson too!!-....
[hmmmm----she's kind of sexy]
Oh! Sorry for drifting Tom.
You know what the hell I mean.
Rush is a disinformation ghuru, sincere in his efforts
The collective American Mentality is being sucessfully stirred to nonsense, thereby creating the planned process of more criminal robbery of the treasury of the US.
for what it's worth. Rush was on Family Guy's Star Wars episode and I almost busted a gut laughing at him. Now THAT was comedy and entertainment gold. I think it had more to do with the writers than Rush but kudos for him being a willing participant.
Well, what do you know. Rush tells the truth again!
www.stanleysound.com/sedated.wav
rush limbaugh is a big fat idiot.
Nice to hear from you, Mr. Franken.
thank you, its nice to be here.
And those are his positive attributes!
It seems that when liberals cant refute an arguement they just LIE, LIE , LIE. Ad hominum attack after ad hominum attack. Smear after smear. When the only issue the democrats in the senate can talk about is an out-of -context statement from a radio personality, they are surely in trouble. Saying Rush Limbaugh is against the troops is like saying that John Madden is against football.
interesting projection...........
how's the "wide stance" craig ???
Gosh, libs should learn from repubs. Repubs would never talk for 40 years about a car in a lake, or for 10 years about a blow job.
:)
Well, maybe if 'twere a partickularly good blowjob we would. But talkin' about a blowjob somewan else got is kind of ridiculous, ain't it? Can't help but sound jealous if ye go on an' on about it like that, can ye?
LIE LIE LIE SMEAR SMEAR
It seems that when liberals cant refute an arguement they just LIE, LIE , LIE. Ad hominum attack after ad hominum attack. Smear after smear
Craig19
Show me one lie I SAID
I DARE YOU!!!!!
I WILL WAIT FOR YOUR RESPONSE
or stop your whining-
an be a "man"
thinking conservative
I do belive that Rush can stand up for himself like a man
like your idol--
I apologize for "thinking conservative"'s spelling lapse.
He has a lot on his .............?........................mind.
I find it interesting, that after being successfully rebutted by reasonable discourse, the direction that following responses take.
I have gotten past being surprised by this behavior by a certain type that seems so overly consumed by hate.
DAWeb
I have gotten past being surprised by this behavior by a certain type that seems so overly consumed by hate.
2!#21.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2007 4:12 PM EDT More wisdom from an expert on the topic-
DAWeb
I have gotten past being surprised by this behavior
Nothing to seed from Ann------is she out picking Daisy's for the troops today?
space guy
I find it interesting, that after being successfully rebutted by reasonable discourse, the direction that following responses take.
You are "somewhat" interesting-but have little to say worthwhile An I don't have a telescope-
Enjoy your orbit
[-it decays, little by little, you know.]
for an example of the type of comments I am talking about see nearly anythign by gpnavonod
et tu?
Da Web?