Liberals don't actually choose their leaders --- they just fall in love. To the rest of us that might seem pretty strange --- but then can you imagine conservatives going to a Broadway musical like Camelot, to sing songs about a politician? Conservatives may love Ronald Reagan, but Reagan had to prove his mettle before skeptics were convinced.
Liberals really are different. They fell head over heels for FDR and Eleanor; then for Adlai; then it was Jack and Jackie; even Gorbachev got his turn; and in the 90s, they tumbled for the burlesque team of Bill and Hill. Competence never came into it. Even national security never mattered. It was just Love, Sweet Love.
Yet the NYT endorses Hillary.
Just the kind of BS I expect from 'American Thinker'.
Well. This is all bull@!$%#.
The Democrats were never "in love" with Bill and Hillary. Bill was a great president, and Hillary was the first lady. That's it. Bill's presidency is over and Hillary will be judged on her own merits, or the lack thereof.
Dennis,
I think the author of the seed is a little over the top, but, it is not Beautiful Sunshine that the Dems loved the Clintons . . . well at least Bill Clinton. The First Black President. The Lovable Fornicator. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. The Dems went to the wall for this amoral man and are now conflicted because he is doing within his own party what he once did to Republicans . . . to their joyous applause.
Dennis, The issue is that Hillary is NOT being judged on her own merits. She's such a weak person that she (1) stays with her husband after he cheated on her and embarrassed his family and all the American people to the rest of the world (I suppose Bush has become a bigger embarrassment, but it doesn't mean the Clinton scandal never happened...) and (2) now she's relying on her husband to win her votes. So, what's going to happen when she's president and she's faced with a tough issue? Will she cry and call Bill to handle it? I'm all for having a woman as president, but to me, her actions are offensive to me and should be to all women. She's confirming the stereotype of what a woman president would be like (@!$%#y, gossipy, emotional, calling in her husband for back-up, etc....)
Wow, listen to you two. He had an affair. No big deal. Seriously, you think he embarrassed America to the rest of the world? The rest of the world just laughed and wondered why Americans were so uptight.
Many people consider it a strength when a relationship recovers from an affair.
Newsfash! Scandal! Presidential Candidate receives endorsement from former President. Because we know that's never happened before...
Oh, the irony.
2.3
Oh the rest of the world was laughing, all right, not "with", but "at" Bill:
Bill loves liberty
It goes like this:
Newscaster: Bill Clinton had an affair.
Every man in Europe: *shrugs*
Newscaster: Then he lied about it.
EMIE: *nods*
Newscaster: Americans outraged.
EMIE: Laughs, turns to his mistress and says, "You gotta see this."
The headline of this article alone shows how out of touch the right is with the Democrats. As Dennis said there was never a love affair with the Clintons. Bill was a good leader, and most Democrats i know won't vote for Hillary.
Its ironic that the right always brings up Bill's affair; I guess because that is the only thing they could ever find fault with in his 8 years in office. (Actually i could find a lot wrong, but that is beside the point). The fact is the right is more upset Clinton lied about a b.j. than they are about Bush lying about Iraq.
Wow what a twisted sense of priorities the far right has!!
Many of the Dem's are still in love with Billy & Hillary as evident with her wins and the national polls. Or should I say with him....they seem to think they will get this two for one deal which is what we got the first time around and look at the mess they got themselves into (impeachment).
These people are professional liars and crooks and refuse to accept truth, remain in denial then they pedal lies and innuendo's to there base and they fuel the Clinton machine.
They will do anything to win the candidacy to include divide the Dem. party by race which they might have more blacks in there Party but many have proven to be just as racist as they have ever been.
Bill will continue to pitch Barack as unqualified, black drug user and dealer and even though he experimented himself with drugs, he did not inhale and he's white which makes it alright, has basically been his divisive message.
Bill also has this hatred of women as proven with his offensive behavior towards all his many Mistress whom lives he and his wife personally teamed up and destroyed.
They're quit the couple indeed, and they have one common goal...that's to get Bill back into that White House so that he begin his tour to rule the world and raid the new young fresh interns.
So the answer to your question is no the Dem's are not out of love with these people!
abowhite @ #3
Well, that was a definite enough response!
The term coined for those who will vote for anyone who will get Bill back into the White House is Blue Dress Dems.
Bill was a better leader than your man Bush.
george
Oh, is Bill running for office? (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)
Yes, Bill is running for office and he's already being held up to the high standards of George W. Bush.
I'm a better President than Bush!
I have a potted ficus that is a better President than Bush.
Although, to be fair, President Bush probably is more tolerant of drafts.
That was what I was thinking. I love ficus and yet it can be like Camille (cough, cough, cough) when it comes to drafts.
No, we're not out of love with Hill and Bill. They're very smart people who want to push the country in the right direction, or at least closer to it.
The country was in better shape under Clinton than this idiot Bush.
There's the theory in economics that Presidents really don't have an effect on an economy, that anything they do is counter-acted or worked-around... but I don't quite buy that, Presidents have an influence on the economy because as they have influence on every person in the nation. They don't have absolute power, but I think Clinton had good reasoning behind his economic moves.
...oh, nevermind. Jesus.
Deep. Pithy. Perceptive. Certainly worth the effort to post it.
I had a substantial post, but I erased it. This kind of insipid prattle isn't worth my time or yours. In fact, I want my seventeen minutes back.
I'll unlock the door now so you can leave.
In general, I think a response like this (#5) is just about the sort of response the content deserves. Even you (ES) admit that it was a bit over-the-top.
I look at it like this:
SS could have come in and made a big stink about you violating the Code of Honor, at least based on her interpretation of the CoH -- or based on her desire to "zing" you for the perceived slights of people who share your ideology. If the headline had been altered, or if she thought it was sensational, she could have made a big stink about that. She could have resorted to insulting you personally for having chosen to post something she obviously objects to. Then, this thread could have devolved into another round of "well, this guy does it -- and so and so is much worse" etc -- the sort of thing that one can read every day on Newsvine.
Instead, she left a short comment which clearly conveyed her opinion of the worthiness of the content you seeded. I think everyone can figure out exactly what she means by her comment and, frankly, it's about as accurate a description of the seed as you're going to get, with the added benefit that it shouldn't really cause too lengthy of a back and forth "yeah huh / nuh uh" battle of the partisans. Pretty soon, a few reliable hecklers will show up and leave comments which will make SS's comment seem like a welcome response.
In the end:
Seems to be exactly what SS was saying about your seed. As it is arguable that there's not much of worth in the content of the seeded article, I think it's fair for a person to leave a comment which demonstrates that point without crossing a line without "further inflaming" the situation.
For one thing, that comment is likely to bring you more readers.
Brian @ 5.4
There is absolutely no reason for you to be on this thread. I do not need you to tell me what is and is not appropriate to post. There is no CoH. If you wish to make yourself the monitor for CoH violations, there are other, far more worthy Newsvine contributors, for you to surveil.
Now, please, do not disrupt the thread any further.
My comment was on-topic (based on your response) and you have no right to tell a person whether they can comment in an on-topic manner based on a comment you made, whether it's your column or not.
If you don't like my initial commentary, delete it. Then, I will respond to the deletion email, at which point I suspect my comment will be reinstated.
Beyond that, if I have something to add to the discussion, I'll add it -- just like I did in comment #5.4.
Don't like it? I suggest you get over it.
At any rate, if this thread has been disrupted, it's because you have continued to respond in a way that calls for further commentary.
i'm in awe. I really can't believe someone wrote this article and that it was published. I can't believe someone seeded it thinking it had merit. I can't believe someone can come off as being so evil and bigoted in defending it.
Why can't I find a good seed on how Clinton failed at bringing peace to areas of conflict? Or how about failing to improve healthcare or unemployment?
This article reeks of blind subjectivism and it seems some of those that are enjoying it have no interest except for hearing themselves speak and taking great delight in the demolishing of someone elses character.
Any self respecting woman would have got a divorce after bill was getting his dick wet. Shes in it for the power. Shes so fake it makes me want to puke.
greg
You emptied the gunny sack with that post!
So what crudely said....but I get the point and agree with you 100 percent!
I have no respect for her, no one should. She's pathetic. I can't believe some people out there think that she actually cares? Oh she does care, cares about herself sitting in the same chair that bill got dome in. Go home hillary.
he..he.he..LOL (:o) I guess Billy miss throwing balls and swinging the bat in the super dome of the White House, so Hillary and her crew of voters are loading up the votes to take William Jefferson Clinton back to the oval ball park. There's no, one... two... and three strikes you're out, at his old balls game!
I'm sure they will try to get him in the Balls Hall of Fame while they're at it, he'll probably be just behind Wilt Chamberlain's woman slayer stats.
i don't agree with her politically.... but I have way more respect for Hillary than gregjarvis. I haven't figured out how people can be so obviously judgemental and enjoy it. It's nauseating. I'm glad you enjoyed it esorbet...
I think someone can still try and work through their marriage problems (even infidelity) and still be a "self-respecting person". I would hate to blanket everyone with the comment gregjarvis made at #6.
Also, here's another scary thing I'll open up for debate. I think less candidates are as nefarious and diabolical as people make them out to be. I think Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Paul, Huckabee, Romney and so on all love public service and actually believe they know the best direction for their country. We all know that some are better than others but to claim they have wicked intent seems outlandish and incredibly arrogant. Of course, I wish I had the godly wisdom as previous posters who know the hearts of all and are also above reproach.
brian, you made a judgment when you presumed I enjoyed #6.
yes... the irony is also there for your enjoyment.
Brianandrew,
OK...I can understand one time, maybe even two times....ok..maybe eight times but the tenth time! Somebodies a fool in the love triangle and it's not the many mistresses, so that leaves Hillary.
Trust me, it a business deal and Hillary has her "GIRLFRIEND" Huma Abedin on the side so she's not doing bad at all. So I guess she's not as big a fool as people say she is.
epi - bill comes across so ornery anymore - he's always slamming someone - be it the younger, better looking, new shining star obama - be it the press----and now that Bill is looking considerably older his grouchy pants just squash that ol charisma that had been heretofore so endearing.....
Baby boomer growing old syndrome
BBGOS
:)
lisaed,
I got to thinking about it myself and remembered his bypass surgery. There are known side effects from that kind of surgery and, well . . . it would explain why his party manners seem to have gone missing.
Yes - epi I agree the surgery took it's toll on Bill in more ways than one.....but I also think Bill's a little annoyed that there is a new shining star on the horizon in the democratic party - and it ain't his wife (even if she does win the nomination).
lisaed @ 7.3
I think the Democrats are quite naive if they thought for even one moment that the Clintons would pull their punches when it comes to anyone getting between them and their goals. If they (the Dems) thought that the Clintons would show party loyalty or professional courtesy or familial forbearance (however they want to put it), then they never knew the Clintons like the rest of the world knows the Clintons.
Epi - did you see the GOP debate last night? So nice to see candidates debate the issues with not one going down into the mud......very refreshing. I was proud of our entire field last night.
lisaed,
I didn't see the debate. I've noticed from your comments around the Vine that you are quite faithful in watching the debates on both sides. Good for you. I get most of my info via text.
Epi - I was very interested to see how Rudy played last night now that this his moment in FLA has finally arrived......I thought Romney won the debate hands down.
lisaed @ 7.7
You know what they say, one is always fighting the last battle, so "glib" will be an important quality in a GOP nominee in this cycle.
Epi - yes, I like "glib".....
Funny; I saw conservatives salivating over Fred Thompson before he ever did anything. Then suddenly, he's a bore, and now they don't want him. Talk about using your emotion instead of your intellect.
Mike - that's not true - I'd love to see "Romney-Thompson"
You can, just rent "Dumb and Dumber".