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Members of Newsvine have recently made claims that Christianity is right and Islam is wrong because Christianity is older than Islam. These claims have merit. Clearly, Islam is wrong - at least how it is practiced today. Of course, that doesn't give much merit to Christianity either. Sure it's older... but Hinduism is much older than that. So, we must accept that Hinduism to more right than Christianity. Before you get ready to hail lord Krishna, you may want to learn a bit more.
Religion has is beginnings in animism. Clearly, animals are not gods. The next religions were based on ancestor worship. I know a few libertarians who worship the founding fathers, but ancestor worship doesn't have any concrete gods we can believe in. We need a religion with gods!
The oldest religion with gods is Egyptian polytheism. This is lucky for all of you! You can choose from over 100 gods to suit what you need in daily life. Not only that, but you can choose to worship more than one!
I know the Muslims and Christians will say that their god is the only true god, but how can their god be the true one if it came after the Egyptian gods. Did your god create the Egyptian gods and let them influence the world before showing itself? No! Assuming your god is real, perhaps your god is one of the children of the Egytian gods that has a superiority complex. Perhaps your god is just as Egyptian god modified for the purposes of the people of another nation in history. As Xenophanes said, Men make gods in their own image; those of the Ethiopians are black and snub-nosed, those of the Thracians have blue eyes and red hair.
Clearly, you should worship the original Egyptian god!
One example: Christians and followers of Krisna should worship the god Horus. He is clearly the true form of your chosen god. If you really want to know your true god, pick up some books of heiroglyphics and take a pilgrimage to Egypt. Amazon.com also has plenty of good books, so that you can choose the right god, if you don't have one yet or don't know which one is really your god.
In modern days, the Egyptian religion has all but died! This is why the world is in so much peril. Wars are being fought in the Middle East and people are starving because the true gods have been neglected! They have been around for so long, but no one prays to them anymore.
It's the oldest religion, so it has to be right.
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I'm going to go with Ra.
Especially appropriate tonight. I'll probably go out as the sun comes up for my annual cheer for the rebirth of the Sun. "Here's to the Sun God, he is FUN god. RA RA RA."
Yes, that's quite true!
All just shut up, get on your knees and start worshipping fire.
Fire is a good servant but a poor master.
Well, Ra is a good choice, since he's the fun god. I think that paganism had a certain advantage though, in that they simply invented gods as needed, and worshipping one did not prevent them from having another. So they could have gods for all occasions.
Perhaps the gods should be sorted and ranked for their various qualities, and we could pick the ones we like and give them different days. You know, like the Greeks. I have a sort of all-you-can-eat buffet type philosophy in life. Take what you like; leave the rest.
I predict that Dionysus, Ra, and of course the Flying Spaghetti Monster will all be popular if people make intelligent worship decisions as adults, rather then just accepting any old god as a child.
Now the oldest religion, I am thinking, would be sun worship, and following that the worship of trees. If you don't accept natural forces, their is a common mythical construct found over vast areas of the world called "The Horned Man." He might be the oldest.
Nah. The oldest religion is FSM, but in any reference to His Noodliness he changes the numbers to make it look really new. He wants to be modern - he's a little vain that way.
Always coming up with new sauces and cheeses.... stuff like that.
No, the FSM is an amalgamation of Egyptian lesser sky gods and food gods!
That's just what he wants you to think ;-)
How would that help him?
You want us to interpret the will of FSM? His ineffable noodliness is beyond our measly powers of comprehension. Just rest assured that it is all going according to his plan, and you would not think anything if it wasn't what he wanted you to think.
The first religion was •¿•
That's a bit cryptic...
It doesn't translate. :)
Henry
This strikes me as Liberal propaganda, since clearly, the world started 27 years ago (when I was born) and my religion, (my)self worship, is the oldest one, dating back to the beginning of time (1980). ;)
How do you know? Using that logic, I could state that the world began yesterday and that all of the memories you have of a childhood are false.
Did it? Are they?
Perhaps. Would that change how you live the rest of your life?
You tell me, it's your universe, I'm just a small part ;)
It's the MATRIX!
If it were the matrix people would be more attractive.
all respect to Egyptian religion and to what egypt has given to the world but the perfect religion is the one that saves man (or has the potential to save man) from death.christ was born perfect god and man and has shown god's love towards humanity.those who follow him,according to what he said and taught,will be free and will be saved.practiced Christianity,as per Christ and his disciples does not today exist but with very very few exceptions.this makes people doubt and question about this and obviously they are more than justified to turn to other forms of faith.but if you listen to Christ you listen to love for one god that covers all aspects of life.from a to z.in our western world we have the phenomenon of atheism much more acute than in the east.western civilizations can't embrace mysticism and spirituality which are both closely related to faith.we tend to analyze and use reason so much.this is why we are so depressed.there is more than what i can touch and explain.read prophet David's psalms.it will make you understand how human and how godly a god's message can be.this you can't get in any other religion.the human and the divine.what instruments would the Egyptians gods give us to face everyday problems?all the answers are in Christianity. i repeat not as practiced by the majority of corrupted clergy and wrong doing people but from the spiritual scripts...
Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt.
There is no Christ. There is no salvation. All religions are con games created to allow an elitist few to live in prosperity off the sweat of others and exercise unrighteous dominion. Please learn to construct a sentence, capitalize and punctuate. Thank you.
Way to be asses to a new Newsviner, Gwenny and Dan. Your personal beliefs on religion, are just that, your personal beliefs. A belief in the lack of a god takes just as much faith as a belief in god; your beliefs about religions as "con games" are no foregone conclusion. In other words, you're no better preaching your beliefs than she is, save a bit better punctuation, etc.
(Note: I'm no Christian, and this isn't really the place to testify about your personal religious beliefs. However, I hold vintage viners to a higher standard than ones who joined this month.)
insert_name_here,
While a belief in a lack of god takes faith, it does take less than a belief in god. That said, most atheists don't believe in a lack of god - they lack a belief in god.
ladylaptop,
Horus was also born a perfect god of a virgin. He had 12 apostles and died and was resurrected. He did all of this thousands of years before Jesus even existed (if he did), before Abraham even existed (if he did). With the argument that the older religions are the most true, you should worship Horus because Jesus is just Horus made to fit the Roman culture.
Lacking a belief in god would imply a more ambiguous attitude towards belief in god. Ambivalence. A belief in the lack of a god would imply a more militant, anti-theist view that we see here. If you just don't happen to believe in god, why would care if someone else does? However, if you believe in the lack of a god, you're in the same boat as religious people who proselytize, that is, you believe that everyone must think the same way you do, and therefore, you're willing to shout others down about your belief. (I hope that makes sense...) I would classify Gwenny and Dan's comments above as a belief in the lack of god.
I have no problem whatsoever with either a lack of belief in god or a belief in the lack of a god. Whatever floats your boat, man. However, I don't think it's appropriate for anyone to try to shove their beliefs about god or a lack thereof on anyone else. (For the record, I'm Jewish, I think I believe in God, and if you want to be Jewish/believe in God, go for it, if you don't, that's cool too.)
I wouldn't care if someone else believing in god didn't require faith. As a man of reason and education, I am opposed to faith, and religion is just one subset of that opposition. I oppose strong atheists (those with faith that there is no god) as much as the religious.
Faith has been shown to be a weak form of schizophrenia. It is in no way beneficial to humankind. I have no desire to eliminate religion, but it will be collateral damage in the elimination of faith.
Does faith hurt humankind? Stop. Don't answer that yet. I acknowledge that some people who are "faithful" hurt humankind. Crusades, blah, blah, blah. Does faith itself hurt others?
insert_name_here
I respect faith. She gave here Op, and I told her mine. You are the intolerant pompous ass. Why be born again, when you can just grow up? What gives you the audacity to demand others to respect you, if you don't respect them? Oh that's right, the whole "refusal to face reality thing" prevents this form being a consideration. You don't have to respect others. Do I go to christian articles and preach Atheism? Do I go to Christian homes on sunday and knock on their doors with flyers?
Christians have no concept of respect or tolerance! If they did, Evangelizing would not be their Mandate!
"The equal toleration of all religions...is the same as atheism. [Pope Leo XIII, "Imortale Dei"]
First, spare me the stuff about Christians, I'm not one.
Second, random-ass preaching by new Newsviners is probably best answered by ignoring it, not posting your beliefs back. Random-ass preaching isn't really relevant here nor most places on Newsvine.
As I said above, it's just fine to be an atheist. However, preaching those beliefs is uncalled for and disrespectful. Same goes for Christianity (and all the other ones) However, I hold you to a higher standard than ladylaptop, because she's new.
Faith is harmful to those who hold it. Also, I reject your attempt to limit ultimate causes by focusing only on the most immediate actors.
I never said you were anything, pompous yes, but you don't need to be of any religion to be full of yourself. You don't have any right to hold anyone-one to any standard except the Newsvine COH. I did not violate the COH, I didn't say anything that attacked her personally. You did to Gwenny and me though, asses? If she can't take any criticism, let her say so, I didn't know you where her Daddy. I'm sure she can take care of herself. That is pure ridicules. I wrote an article that covers in some detail why.
And if She is of the believe that "Love and Morals" are exclusive to God as the origin of these feelings. If anything this is offensive to those who are not theist. Implying they are sub-humans incapable of these emotions, because they don't believe in god or are members of her faith. Sorry, you can rebuke me all you want. But you are wrong to do so. And I would be a fool to listen to you. You have no authority over me or anybody.
"It is a common saying that thought is free. A man can never be hindered from thinking whatever he chooses so long as he conceals what he thinks. The working of his mind is limited only by the bounds of his experience and the power of his imagination. But this natural liberty of private thinking is of little value. It is unsatisfactory and even painful to the thinker himself, if he is not permitted to communicate his thoughts to others, and it is obviously of no value to his neighbors. Moreover it is extremely difficult to hide thoughts that have any power over the mind. If a man's thinking leads him to call in question ideas and customs which regulate the behaviour of those about him, to reject the beliefs which they hold, to see better ways of life than those they follow, it is almost impossible for him, if he is convinced of the truth of his own reasoning, not to betray by silence, chance words, or general attitude that he is different from them and does not share their opinions. Some have preferred, like Socrates, some would prefer today, to face death rather than conceal their thoughts. Thus freedom of thought, in any valuable sense, includes freedom of speech." [J.B. Bury, "A History of Freedom of Thought"]
Faith is an outright rejection of reason. Alone, it does not harm others - but one acts or faith or reason. Every act out of faith has a negative reaction, even if it is simply to perpetuate faith.
We were having a fun satirical discussion when one of the religionists started pushing their religion. DID YOU BOTHER TO NOTICE THAT? She said, among other silly things: all the answers are in Christianity. Clearly an expression of her personal beliefs.
So get over your self. If the Christians can push their poison, we can tell them what we think of it.
Faith is believing something you know isn't true.
Belief is the wound that knowledge heals.
faith is believing-period
Belief is believing.
Faith is a subset of belief, in which the evidence is not sufficient (or nonexistent).
Praise Ra!
Yeah, I did notice. Preaching your beliefs where they don't belong is dumb. Whether or not those beliefs are Christianity, atheism (Atheism?) or anything else. Satirical, good; ranting about personal beliefs, bad. Ladylaptop's comment probably just deserved a "No Value" and that's it.
I won't defend what she said. I don't think its true, and as I've said in every comment here, it doesn't belong here.
Is faith in God (gods, Allah, Jesus, whatever) any different than belief that, say, photographs are developed the way you think they are? If you've never seen photographs being developed, you are trusting someone who has to tell you how it's done. If you've never experienced an act of God, faith is trusting someone who has to tell you about it.
I would acknowledge that acting on faith is often dangerous. However, if acting on faith only serves to perpetuate that faith and doesn't permeate the rest of one's actions, then I don't see it as harmful. It is even beneficial through the fact that it brings people together, helps them realize their talents (see that recent article), etc. True, those benefits could be achieved through other community circles, but as I've said, faith in and of itself is not dangerous.
If faith in God requires a faithful person to dismiss evidence or scientific truth even once, then you can consider it harmful. If faith in God can't be a part of someone's life in an abstract, spiritual sense, then maybe I just don't have faith, by y'all's definition.
If someone, believing in "God-in-the-gaps", is driven to find exactly where God is by filling in those gaps, does that not benefit him, and society?
Oh, dude, how long have you been here? Back me up, folks. Was that EVEN close to a rant? You've seen me rant. There wasn't one totally capitalized word in the entire post and I didn't ask her if she had a public education because she can't write worth a damn. For one thing, I'm not as nice as I was in that post. I'm sure I have a whole database of complaints again me. LOL What I said was calm and thoughtful and certainly no more offensive to a believer than that woman's words were to unbelievers, especially given the context of the thread, a lively humorous romp of unbelievers. If anything, she got off easy. I'm guessing some of the head biter offers are deal with family issues around this evil holiday season. :D
Gwenny,
Well said. :)
That's a criticism?
I didn't see the satire tag, but I have to agree, if you're going to believe in something that isn't real, like gods and demons, stick with the old stuff, the tried and true. No need to go modern, if it's good enough for the progenitors of our species, it's good enough for us!! No need to invent new gods that aren't real when we haven't even worn the shine off the old ones yet.
Good little article.
It's interesting for me to read about the history and evolution of theology. For the Jews, the Canaanite worship of El evolved into the worship of Elohim and YHWH. El's mythical wife Asherah is mentioned in Old Testament (e.g. 2Kings 23:15) as they tried to purge her from their religion and rewrite history. Jesus worship borrowed from that tradition and then added elements of Mithraic worhsip, which had preceded it by up to 1400 years.
It's a shame that people try to clean up and simplify history so much that we lose all the original color.
What happened to the Egyptian gods? Fell out of history or reincarnated into other religious traditions?
I'm not the biggest student of ancient cultures but a little quality time with Google found this:
5000 BC
Earliest evidence of human culture in Mesopotamia
~4700 BC
Hassunah period: earliest pottery making culture
~4400 BC
Halaf period: pottery culture with knowledge of metal
~3900 BC
Ubaid period: first well-known culture from southern Mesopotamia; the Ubaids give the first evidence of temple and other sophisticated architecture
I don't recall completely but I believe the Sumerians were polytheistic.
I could be wrong, but Hinduism sprang up around 550AD...making it younger than Christianity. I have one question though, if it were possilbe to transport anybody, a prophet, a priest from the past to the present, would anyone listen to anything they had to say about anything related to the modern world?
You would be wrong.
Hinduism is unique among the world religions in that it has no founder or date of origin. While most major religions derive from new ideas taught by a charismatic leader, Hinduism is simply the religion of the people of India, which has gradually developed over four thousand years. The origins and authors of its sacred texts are largely unknown.
Although today's Hinduism differs significantly from earlier forms of Indian religion, Hinduism's roots date back as far as 2000 BC, making it one of the oldest surviving religions. Because of its great age, the early history of Hinduism is unclear. The most ancient writings have yet to be deciphered, so for the earliest periods scholars must rely on educated guesses based on archaeology and the study of contemporary texts.[1] [2]
You are thinking of Islam, which was founded in the 7th century by Mohammad.
Hetep and Respect Gwenny, experts in the history of India and its spiritual systems in fact, know a lot about its origins and function. Modern knowledge in this area has greatly improve since my time in school.
The people of Ancient India were Africans and brought there spiritual system from the continent especially Classical African Civilization, Kemet (Egypt). In fact, you will recall in the Christian Bible Egypt / Africa was referred to as Kush and India was referred to as Indus Kush little Egypt\Africa.
The Blacks of pre-Aryan India c. 2500 -1500 B.C.E where known at Dravidians. The Ayrans (Caucasians) from the north invaded India c. 1500 B.C.E around the same time that Classical African Civilization was invaded by non-Africans for the first time in the continents history. This set in motion the Aryan Era in India with the harsh caste system that they brought. There are still more then 100 million Africans in India. These indigenous people live mostly in Southern India and continue to suffer under the caste system despite the fact that "caste" is officially Outlawed.
We can not know with certitude when the idea's associated with a given spiritual system comes into existence However, we can deleniate with considerable accuracy when a spiritual system comes into recorded history (is first written down) there is very little debate among scholars on this point. One of the best known African experts on the syncronicity of the Kemetic and Indian Cosmological systems is Dr. Ashby. In his book Egyptian Yoga, there is presented a detailed chronology of Indian Philosophy that places Hinduism at 100 B.C.E. in recorded History.
I know I am a bit early, but Merry Horusmas everyone!
Certainly you didn't forget that Horus was born of a virgin on December 25th, did you?
Animism isn't really about worshiping animals. ;)
Sure, go and ruin my fun...
Henry VII you nearly spot on, we can not really state that Egyptian polytheism was the first god based religion as there may have been others before. We can say earliest recorded. But that's nit picking. But I certainly believe that the religious cronies chosen by Constantine may of based Jesus on Horus I certainly had not tied that factor together when I wrote about this subject myself. I must read more about Horus, thanks.
Good points Babel Fish,
I will also be reading up on Horus. However, my initial thoughts are I find it hard to believe the Romans would would base a religious belief system on a non-Roman Deity, when the Romans were renown for changing all the Greek Deities names into a Roman Deities. That being said, why would they base it on an Egyptian Deity?
The Roman Empire was fragmenting, Flavius Valerius Constantinus "better known as Constantine" figured out a way to reunite Rome under a faith. This was the beginning of the Holy Roman Empire. The concept of a living God ruler, was brought to Rome from Egypt after it was conquered by Caesar. So now we have the Pope who is proclaimed the reincarnation of Peter, and is a direct link to God, and empowered to speak in Gods behalf. I played chess with god in Grant park in Chicago last summer when he was this cool homeless man then, and he told me that the Pope is a fake. God also likes coffee and quarter pounders/cheese that he made me buy for him whenever He won the most games. God always won.
Maybe reason can be so intrinsic (since it is proclaimed to be so bloody obvious), that it spawns a kilter cross with esoteric logics like faith, prediction, and future sciences like interstellar travel.
I see the stag, but why should I ever decide to kill it and eat it? It would make perfect logical sense to just stand there until the stag kills me. Why explore the stars? Why question the absence in our lives? It seems to be an exploration of questions, but why do we ask them? Because we have a selfish gene? Atheism has an advantage for the immediate logics over religions because it is modern.
It is like juxtaposing holistic and determinist logic, right brain and left brain. Yes that would be a grand argument, left brain vs right brain - to the death so that we should remain with only one hemisphere, but then there wouldn't be a hemisphere it would just be one ball of crap, so the duality would remain.
Esoteric eh? When talking about logic and faith in the same sentence esoteric is certainly one word you could use. Faith is the denial of logic.
Interstellar travel, I assume you mean for humans, as opposed to our robotic sensor probes, won't require 'esoteric' logic. Just masterful uses of the mundane type coupled with some extraordinary developments in physics and/or chemistry/biology.
The rest of your statement is indecipherable gibberish. Maybe you should get your
checked out. Seems to be on the fritz.
:)
I enjoyed reading your article and especially the debate it generated in the comments. However, it did come off the tracks a bit when the comments swung to Jesus and if there is or isn’t a God.
I think we can put to rest the question about if Jesus was real? You can find his existence documented in many different religions. For me, the sticky point is what or who each religion believes he was. I’m not versed enough to do this argument justice, so I will leave it at that.
In my mind, faith and religion are not mutually inclusive. Beside identifying someone’s commitment to their religion, faith also means firm belief in something for which there is no proof and to believe in something with a strong conviction. I think it’s safe to say, a lot of science falls into this category too.
It seems less likely to me that the early cult originated spontaneously without a tiny nucleus of truth to the life of Jesus, but how much of that truth made it into the New Testament is certainly in question. This is especially true given the parallels between the documented life of Jesus and other mythologies. I personally don't make the leap that those parallels (and wholesale liftings) necessarily mean that Jesus the man never existed.
Well, here's what the problems are: First, not uncommon for early history, no accounts that refer to Jesus are truly contemporary. Even the Gospels were probably written anywhere from 20 to 80 years after the fact. Second, even if we accept the references by other historians or authors to Jesus not in the Bible as authentic (and there are some questions about many of them), they're still reporting (sometimes second or third-hand) non-contemporaneous accounts passed to them.
Jesus likely existed, but the stories about him are likely all false. He would be mentioned in history if he did any of the things the bible claims he did. No, he was likely the Jerry Falwell of his time - deified by Constantine using aspects of other religion, such as the Egyptian religion and other religions that have borrowed extensively from it.
I prefer to think of Jesus as Marx, with Paul as his Lenin. :-)
Henry VII,
I think you are giving Constantine too much credit. It took a long time for Rome to fall and I doubt a vain Constantine would have known or accepted the fact that Roman was collapsing. No Empire is history has ever heeded the warning signs. I think his support of Christianity was to weaken the Jewish religious and power structure more than to unify Rome under one church.
I didn't make any claims about why Constantine did what he did, simply that he did it.
A lot of this talk about the historical Jesus seems to be treating Christianity as though it began with Constantine. Jesus had a following during his life which formed a Jewish sect almost immediately after he died. Consider references in Josephus to Camel-Kneed James, Jesus' brother (or cousin if you're Catholic) who was the leader of the first Christian community in Jerusalem.
He is mentioned in history, it's true that the accounts are few, but Josephus describes him as a miracle-worker, alluding to some of the Bible's claims. You have to consider that he lived at a time when the existence of prophets, seers, and miracle-workers wasn't questioned. He was also executed for sedition at a time when Jewish insurrection against Rome was common. So he really wasn't as exceptional then as we treat him as being now.
I guess what I'm getting at is that nobody really doubts that Jesus lived. And I don't believe that he walked on water, but if he never said or did anything special he wouldn't have had the following that he did. And you can't just chalk it up to Bible as propaganda because the Gospels were written long before Rome was Christian. They represent a marginalized sect attempting to preserve its own traditions, not an attempt at consolidating power. And consider Paul's letters, he talks time and again about being beaten, stoned, and run out of cities, the early Christians clearly didn't write from a position of power.
Do a Wikipedia search on Josephus and you will see that the parts you mention were not in the style of his writing at all. They were added later, likely by one of his apprentices of scribes. If he never did anything special, how does L Ron Hubbard have such a following? The Gospels were written long before Rome was Christian, but long after Jesus (supposedly) died. Things were added and a great deal was removed in the Roman era.
Yeah, they were edited, like the part where he describes Jesus as the messiah. Josephus was Jewish so that doesn't make any sense. But the accepted position right now is that Christian editors added to his account of Jesus, not that they made the whole thing up. I'm sorry if that's not what wikipedia says, but I heard it from a professor of religious studies.
The L Ron Hubbard anology is interesting. He has said exceptional things. He hasn't done anything, but he offered a unique creation myth and worldview, that's why he a has a following. I think Jesus, similarly, preached some very novel concepts, and performed so-called miracles, thus accounting for his following.
"The way to make money is to start your own religion." [L. Ron Hubbard, 1954]
That is ridicules, you can't make up a religion, it would never work Ron! The people of the world are far to sophisticated to fall for any that superstitious mumbo jumbo these days!
1. thank you for the criticism on my punctuation etc, i wasn't expecting it but you are right. i am too lazy...what's more my English is not that perfect.
2. i used to doubt about Christianity myself so i don't mind comments as long as they are constructive which i think they were. Henry thank you for the info on Horus.
3. since there was a mention on Constantine the great, i wish to say a few things. He had to move the capital to the east in order to save the empire, now Christian, from barbaric invasion. The division of Christianity between western world under papacy and eastern under the patriarch of Constantinople was not created by the Romans themselves but it was a Frankish propaganda of Charlemagne. He decided in 794 that the Roman Empire is a "Greek" Empire in order to hide it from West Romans enslaved to the Franco-Latins.
4. the idea of someone who is God on earth and that the pope is flawless and the secularization of Christianity along with the brutalities of the crusades is something i do not represent. i am a believer or i try to be one of the purity of Christ's teaching as brought down to us unaltered without the intervention of man. no wonder why there's so much atheism in the western world. the east is more faithful. be it Muslim, or Buddist we will find very few people that are atheist, that don't believe in something. The West put reason into faith and it has killed it.
5. i partially agree with Henry on the elite group theory against the poor etc...this would happen anyway with any kind of system, be it religious or non. communism failed. people by nature will form elites, take possession of means of production and labor, just as Marx had said. faith in god is something else and it has little to do with the systems that we create as people.
PEOPLE HURT PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE PEOPLE.
IT'S NOT RELIGION THAT FAILED.
IT'S PEOPLE THAT FAILED TO BE FAITHFUL IN THE TRUE SENSE.
6. when you find yourself in distress or pain where do you turn to to get help? what are the results? have you solved the problem or does it keep on coming?
merry Christmas to all and happy holidays whether you believe or not.
You're kidding! Do you have any idea how many times the bible has been re-written and redacted? Please! There is no proof, NONE, that christ actually existed.
The real problem is that people are trying to put faith into science and it's not going to fit because it has no basis in fact.
Why, I turn to Ra. I see him on a daily basis. I simply have to look up, and there he is, watching over me. The results are spectacular. When you know Ra is there is look over you, it is much more beneficial than hoping good will come through prayer to a god you can not see. (I should know, as I was once a Christian, before I found the way.) Problems come and problems go. This is the reality in which we live, and it is the best of all possible realities.
Knowing that, and keeping the 42 commandments, leads to a healthy and happy life!
Yet your God cowers, since it is the Winter Solstice on the day of this post.
Interesting, she go bye bye. And we weren't even mean to her. Although . . .base on some of her writing style, I suspect she was an alt. LOL
He is preparing! Preparing to return greater each day for quite some time.
Although Modern devotees would insist the power of Ra remains the constant all year round, this has confounded many of his early followers.
are you aware that most scientists when faced with the mystery of the human body and the inability to explain some things and cure all diseases have indeed turned into faith?
there is no real history.....but if you take all the myths together you come down to something that is close to reality or reality or historical reality itself....did Homer exist?
what about Socrates, the father of philosophy? he never wrote anything. Plato wrote, he was his student. did Socrates exist, according to you?
No one makes outrageous claims about Socrates. The reason people doubt the existence of Jesus is because the stories about him contain conflicts and supernatural occurrences. As there are no supernatural occurrences documented on this planet, it would take a great bit more to show that such a person existed than it would for someone who is simply considered a man. Whether Socrates existed or not, the knowledge that he represented does exist. Reincarnation does not.
I know of scientists that turn to prayer as a last resort, but I know of none that would forego treatment due to faith. It is unfortunate that they have faith in false gods, but death is a difficult part of human life that we will need to overcome before the masses will reject faith. Without a fear of death, faith becomes unnecessary. With infinite time, we would have hope. Hope is infinitely more valuable than any faith.
That said, Ra and I talk on a regular basis - so no faith here. :-)
Interesting article and discussion. Glad you had added the satire tag Henry. Although from what I have read of you around the Vines, the intent would have been clear to some of us:-)
Thanks to Gwenny in #9.1 for clarification and a very apt build on the age of Hinduism. Only thing I would add is that the age is generally recognised to be between 4000 - 5000 years, approx 3000 BC. I have some articles and seeds on my column on Hinduism. A good Internet source is About Hinduism.
Merry Xmas and seasons Greetings to all...
christianity is right and islam is wrong about what? the prophit?
otherwise tehy agree pretty well
because they are the same religion.
a majority of all relious people are non practicing.. religion in name only.(going the major days dont count)
I think that is key when we discuss who is right and what kind of country this is.
people say this is a christian country cause we are all christians but if only 10% of us or so actually practice the religion what does that mean?
and which would God hate more?
an atheists or a christian that doesnt go to church?
(my preacher said the latter lol)
anyway who is more right a non practicing christian or a non practicing muslim?
Our country is a Christian country because it is influenced by Christian ideas. They are pervasive to the point that it doesn't matter if one is a Christian or not, our entire social milieu has been shaped by Christianity.
You mean our racist, misogynist, elitist materialistic society? I have to agree. LOL
I feel like you mean to be attacking me, but I can't tell why.
Are you a green version of my prototype, sent by Ra to aid me?
Didn't intend for you to feel attack. I was just clarifying the part I agreed with. Most folks, when they say American culture is based on Christian beliefs, identify the good things about Americans that are just human nature. I was being clear that some of the worst things about us are also traceable to Christianity and it's elitist system that bases personal worth on material possessions. :D
My point was that the whole thing is based on Christian culture, good and bad. I didn't mean it as a value judgement about America or Christianity.
Väinämöinen will beat your gods. Just step in the line.
Hetep Henry, I know many Black people, but I have seldom known a Black person like you, who goes out of their way to attack and slander members of their own ethnic group.
I have become accustom to your pro-European American Affirmative Action stance and the other, self-admitted, anti-black positions that you promote. I saw the sarcasm tag, however, this blatant unprovoked attack and denigration of Classical African Civilization is a crime against your ancestors from which, your spirit may never recover.
“…The oldest religion with gods is Egyptian polytheism…”
This sentence is a gross misrepresentation of African Culture not to mention the previous paragraph where you mention “animism” and “ancestor worship”. An Orwellian positioning, that could fool the uninitiated, into thinking that the proximity of “animism”, “ancestor worship” and your “Egyptian polytheism” are some how related.
As a result of Cultural Illiteracy, you make so many errors it is always difficult to know which one to address, in an effort to best reduce the Cultural Poisoning automatically propagated by your spirit. A little knowledge is dangerous, as it makes a person prone to mix up truth with falsehood. Let me illustrate by making a few obvious Cultural Health Corrections to your statement.
“…The oldest religion with “gods” is the Kemetic (Ancient Egyptian) spiritual system…”
Cultural Literacy Minute: African names for African things.
Kemet is the name of the Nation. The kemetians are its people. Egypt and Egyptians are Greek/Roman terminology that is parenthetical to how a Culturally Healthy Black person would respectfully structure such a sentence.
In other parts of the article you repeat the error, i.e. Horus instead of Heru or Heru (Horus).
The Kemetic people in the main, for most of their 10,000-year civilization were monotheistic and remain so to this very day. It is slander at best and cultural treason at worst, to say otherwise unless you have proof.
Note: please do not waste my time by quoting some Non-African anti-kemetic foolishness.
Ntr or Neter(s) as it is transliterated into English means force of nature not god(s) as you misuse the term. This concept comes down to the “modern” cosmological systems as “angles”. No Christian would mistake the God for one of his angles. And so it is the case with all the African denominations, No kemetan would mistake The Neter with its neters.
Raising the issue of is older better, just because it is older, is a valid point. However, misrepresenting, denigrating and disrespecting African spiritual systems to make this point is an outrage and an affront to any Culturally Healthy self-respecting person of your ethnic group.
What do you have to say for yourself son?
Using words that people will not understand would not engage anyone in discussion. Perhaps I should use Japanese whenever I mention something 日本語. Even if I wrote about Nihon (Japan) transliterated, no one would know what I meant. Would that be beneficial? If the masses knew the term Kemet, it would be wise for me to use it. The masses do not. I am not required to translate for you alone.
Polytheism means "many gods." Do you deny that there were many gods in (Kemet) ancient Egypt? You can read about (Kemet) ancient Egypt's short monotheistic period here, but no amount of hope makes it so.
And I'm not your son.
Henry: You are wasting you time with this person. Save yourself time and effort, don't bother engaging him.
Religious Tolerance . org is a wonderful site to visit in regard to this topic on "The Oldest Religion(aka; Mine is bigger than yours nonsense.)They have a fascinating article on the ancient Egyptian God named "Horus." Seems the folks who did the story of the Mr. Jesus man/god copied, verbatim, the text of Horus from birth to miracles(wizardry)to everlasting life w/ his daddy god(s). Very good stuff , and it gives better insight and meaning to the word "plagiarism and copyright infringement" of the ancient holy (make a quick shekel)scribes.