Lieberman to Endorse McCain

he is really a lib.. look at his voting record on every single solitary issue except the war.
unless you think the parties are one issue.
My only theory why lieberman would support the war against both iraq and iran is that it has isreali support.it's just my opinion and not trying to be rude to our jewish friends but he does get a lot of money from the isreali lobby.

he's a moderate liberal at best (when ignoring his hawkish tendencies as you said).

i'm still really pissed ned lamont didn't win.

Lieberman, thinks he is doing McCain a favor. NOT!!!!!!! A class nationalist thug who is also an opportunist, besmirches everyone.

It is his Zionism, his class nationalism, and appeasement of both American Empire, and Israeli neocon policies, that has corrupted his already class lbieral tendencies, into the liberal war hawk he is. Double national class corruption produces this kind of class rot.!!!

That Joe Lieberman never became Vice President is the ONLY silver lining to Gore losing in 2000.

wow you are a one issue guy huh.. you accually want joe lieberman in your party?
rated 100% in voting prochoice issues.
against bush's tax cuts.. would rather tax rich more.
ranked 25% in business friendly votes. indicating he is not pro corp.
wanted to tax big il, prevent anwar
rated a big 0% by the christian coalition.
wants welfare for immigrants.

so tell me mr harrison, why do you support mister lieberman.. is it issues or just for the partisan thrill.
because he is anything but a conservative.. I know that may surprise you as it is hard to find a true conservative these days that is more than an R by his name.

Bill Harrison: Should I Sieg Heil you and Lieberman now, or later??? The Cossacks, the Black Hundreds, were class mercenaries for the Tsarist feudal class regime. They were reactionaries, mercenaries, , but you describe the Cossacks as liberal?, like Reid, a class whore, like Pelosi, who Lieberman should reject, because they are not sufficiently fascist enough for you Bill????

ETB:

I'm on record at Joe's Office that he needs to stay in the Democratic Party to be a vital touch stone on common sense Israel policy and credible National Security voice for the Democrats.

Bill, it's a two party system in this country, and Republicans dead set on poaching the best the Democrats have will find that a one party system just sucks Stalinist style.

Eric, check your spelling and lighten up. I was referring to these Kossacks.

not everyone is partisaned like that.. most people arent in either party. and agree with and disagree with some of both parties. But why lieberman won does show a problem with our system. Simply saying senators with senority, tend to bring home more bacon than freshmen (current democratic ploys aside)
Thats why people that are plain to the rest of us as being complete self centered out of touch from both parties keep getting rellected to the bewilderment of the rest of us. He won cause his state didnt want to start over on the power struggle to the top.
well particially anyways.. I'm sure that many republicains voted for him as he pissed of the dems, and many other people simpley as they support wars in the middle east.

Scott, did the DNC help Joe win in the Nutmeg State last time?

Was Joe on the Democratic Ticket in that Great State?

You have selective memory loss, and that's not any good for anyone claiming to be a voice in politics.

Just want to clear up a small thing.. you bring up an important point.. except you should have said "once the dems HAVE a majority" as it stands it is 100% equal 49 dems to 49 gop'rs
with 2 independants that have agreed to vote with the dems on committee assignments and such.
It is not a real majority, although they do "lead" the senate.

I think they should tell him he is no longer welcome in the caucus if they increase their advantage in the Senate. There is no room for people that want to obstruct the agenda in the party.

I stand corrected, Joules :) And Scott, I agree. Lieberman should be told to take a hike at the start of the next Congress. He can caucus with the "Connecticut for Joe Lieberman" Party for the rest of his career.

Jones Girl:

Not if the majority of democrats voted for the Kyle-Lieberamn resolution, written by the Israeli, AIPAC corporate, imperial warmongering lobby. If the democrats shift to Lieberman, and his Zionism, Lieberman has corrupted most of the class party, or the other way around the class party of democratic whores have corrupted themselves for Lieberman.

Joe is just nostalgic for the old days of the Democratic Party. You know, the Democratic Party of FDR, HST and JFK that fought and won WWII and did its part in the long twilight struggle against communism. A party now that only lives on in the history books following its McGovernization in '72 and became the party of the Dodds (who never met a Latin American leftwing thug he couldn't have something good to say about), Kerrys and the other fellow travelers who tried to thwart Reagan at every step. Too bad Bob Kerrey decided not to run, because he's that kind of old-school Democrat as well.

No, Joe is perfectly happy with life as a Republican....he just lacks the scruples to actually join them.

Bill,

Why are you such a right-wing tool? Really, do you think we are not capable of doing research?

A party now that only lives on in the history books following its McGovernization in '72 and became the party of the Dodds (who never met a Latin American leftwing thug he couldn't have something good to say about)

Please, all the modern day wars of south and central America were mainly organized by Regan and Bush Sr. I suggest you read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins.

Ahh, it's Orlando the renowned "expert" on the international oil business. I just never realized that the Sandinistas and the Salvadoran FMLN were started by Dutch and 41. It must pain you grievously that they've never been able to organize such a worker's paradise as Castro's open-air prison of an island.

Bill,

Unlike you, I have never claimed to be an expert on anything. I like to think of myself as a student of life and in a constant learning state. There is a real reason why so many people in South and Central America hate us and until you start to acknowledge we had a hand in a lot of their suffering, you will never be able to bring about change. Or maybe, you don't want change because from were you sit, life is great.

The Democratic Party isn't owned by the "far left". The reason I left the Republican Party is that there's more room for dissent in the Democratic Party. If you protest the direction the Republican Party is taking they isolate you and prevent you from accomplishing anything or getting a promotion.

That's a good one Scott. Why don't you just ask the late Governor Bob Casey of PA's son how the party treated his father in the '92 convention. And GOP reluctance to tolerate opposing views must explain why a Senator who's never toed the party line was a frontrunner for the nomination in '00 and could yet garner it this time out.

Now Orlando, you're going to have to show me much more of firm grasp of history before I take you seriously on much of anything. Citing the fraud who wrote a fraud of a book in Confessions of an Economic Hitman isn't a propitious start.

Bill:
Then the Democratic Party must have changed because Bob Casey Jr. is the newly minted senator from Pennsylvania. Any snubs received by his father were surely paid back when he was ridden into office by the Democrats. I'm a pro-life Democrat and no one comes down on my head. Hell, I'm a pro-war Democrat and I just debate with people in my party... they don't try to sabotage my career the way Republicans did when I disagreed with Bush's profligate spending and other things he broke his word on.

I was part of McCain's campaign in 2000. Perhaps you'll remember the push polling about McCain's "black baby" born out of wedlock to South Carolina voters. McCain was anything but a maverick after his 2000 run. He hugged Bush and campaigned for him in 2004 after a sleight that few men would take lying down. McCain learned the game that he had to play to be the "frontrunner" and he played it to a tee. Would you hug a man that greenlighted such a dirty attack on your marriage and character? I know I wouldn't. Bush did something that the Vietnamese couldn't: he broke John McCain. It only took him two years too.

Bill,

I will brush up on my history if you brush up on your debate skills. You discredit John Perkins but not the facts stated in the book. Have you ever wonder how America really came into possession of the Panama Canal? It was built by Japanese in Panama, but somehow it became US property? Do you think the Panamanians just gave it to us?

The friggin' book's a fraud Orlando as is Perkins. For Christ's sake man. By that rationale the "facts" presented in the so-called Hitler diaries are true. The example of the Panama Canal is a non-sequitur since the US built and maintained the Canal for purposes of all international shipping trade.

Scott, I turned in my RNC card too over Bush's spendthrift ways and the corruption of the 109th Congress but I'll be goddammed if there's anything I can support in the Democratic Party. I voted for Webb because I've never been able to abide George Allen and think that in time Webb will get sick of the new bedfellows he's made. The Democrats made temporary allowances for some of these more conservative new faces but none of the Democratic leadership in the Congress or the presidential candidates mirrors them.

Bill:
I will tell you, I thought long and hard about this issue before I made the switch. I had been a Republican my entire life. My grandpa wasan elected Republican official for 28 years. It was in my blood to be a Republican but my family were New Deal Democrats before the power shift and racial politics of the 60's and 70's. I studied politicians like Blue Dog Democrats and Charlie Wilson and decided that just because there were not as many of them as there were before, they were still there. Republicans were systematically cornering, browbeating and coercing moderate Republicans like myself, Lincoln Chafee, John Danforth and others that were fiscal and defense conservatives but largely liberal on social issues. The influence of televangelists and other "moral" leaders like Jerry Falwell, James Dobson and Gary Bauer made it impossible for me to stick by my party when they suggested that tolerance for homosexuals, who I have friends that are, caused the deaths of 9-11. I was browbeaten by local Republican activists that I would be subject to the eternal fires of Hell if I dared vote for the abortionists. They intimated I would be a social outcast if I spoke my opinion when it was different from the talking points coming down the line from the RNC and Ohio Republican Party.And, finally, they deliberately stonewalled my political career after I dissented against some of the President's spending and other policies even though they labeled me an up and comer in the party and my former boss said I would be the first of my colleagues in the Young Republicans to run a political campaign. After a dimwit that said all the right things was chosen to run a campaign over me I'd had enough with the threats, the intimidation and the outright guile they shot at me to shut me up and keep me working for party goals that I did not agree with, did not benefit me and that I was explicitly told I shouldn't be vocalizing. That's too Gestapo for my tastes. Yes, there are extremists on the left and some of them don't like me... but they are far less in number than the people enraged in the Republican Party at me for speaking my conscience. I am a Christian Democrat that believes a politician should take his religious beliefs into his office and decisionmaking and my beliefs are that Jesus healed the sick and cared for the poor and that my party should do that. I still believe in a strong national defense and that the US should be interventionist and that the US military isn't for show. I believe, unlike the Republicans, that Communist China shouldn't embarass us flagrantly on the world stageno matter how much of our cheap Wal*Mart crap they manufacture. I believe that a man with integrity and a sense of respect needs to be running the country and I no longer believe that man is George W. Bush. If he were, he would not have taken the numerous vacations he has while the murderer of 3,000 Americans is still at large. He would not have acted like Osama Bin Laden no longer exists because it looks bad on his government for not finding him. There was a time when a Japanese leader orchestrated an attack that killed over 3,000 Americans and the man in office then did not stop working for four long years, even to his death, mobilizing the full forces of the United States to wreak havoc and destruction on that man and his followers. The man that attacked was Hirohito and the man that worked to see him pay was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. That's the kind of Democrat I am. The Democrats I know accept that and the Republicans I know call Democrats pussies and say that they're impotent and if they're elected the terrorists will kill us all. This is why I am no longer a Republican: I could no longer stand to be in the same party or even in league with such despicable people.

No offense to you, Bill... I just felt it was time I explained my political leanings fully.

Bill,

You are right about the US finishing the canal. However, others did start it, but couldn't complete the job. We were only able to take control of the canal after providing support of a military takeover of the land from Columbia. Columbia would sell it to us, so Teddy Roosevelt took it via military rebels. The rebels got a new country from Columbia called Panama and for our support, they sold us the Canal land and building project for $10 million.

Everyone perceives correctly the generic class corruption, but mistakenly assumes it is only Lieberman. In fact both class parties are notorious for their appeasement, capitulation to the same kind of criminal elites, and their policies, through the same kind of class opportunism, that Lieberman does openly, but which most democrats do covertly.

Yes, Bush's foreign policy of ignoring open snubs from the Chinese is a strong position. It definitely makes sense to back down to our two biggest rivals, China and Russia. God forbid we not be able to buy cheaply made Chinese goods at Wal*Mart. Oh, and putting the government in so much debt that China could wreck our economy by moving on all the debt they are holding for America was genius too.

*shakes head* How blind can you be?