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For the record, I don't actually have a team for doubles yet. What I throw out is essentially a mess. Singles only please. | |
I play with a bunch of pokemon always alternate my pokemon in and out. The reason i picked doubles was so i could study your team better. The first match completely had my mind blown | |
You can't really study my team in an environment where they're not made to perform at any competent level. They really don't work together outside of singles. Also, how much did you invest in your Scizor's Sp.D? Even in mega form, I'm surprised it took a fireblast that well. | |
In all honesty im surprised the team i picked for doubles worked so well, i just made it 2 hrs ago that was the third time I used it and first time 6 against 6. None. I don't really know much about iv breeding and all that. It has an adamant nature and I max out its attack and hp for the most part. Honestly i almost crapped my pants when you tyranatar used fire blast. didn't see that coming | |
If I can get a Slowbro with Regenerator, I'll begin throwing together a doubles team. I'd also recommend avoiding Blaziken. You won't get much respect for him now, and when he gets banned back into ubers (and it will happen), you'll have to get used to fighting without him anyway. Of course, this is assuming you intend on playing Smogon Standard. | |
Although I Blaziken is my favorite starter pokemon, i hardly play with him as of late. I was stoked when I finally got one with speed boost in this gen. I'm not too familiar with the ban list but I don't understand why blaziken would be banned. Ninjask isn't banned to my knowledge. Plus blaziken is fragile and in my experience, isn't that effective unless he mega evolves or pulls a swords dance. That being said, he usually needs a focus sash plus a prayer that he doesn't run into any aqua jets or shadow sneaks, etc... I just found out smogon had a rule set when you posted it. the only rules i've read was the one on pokemon-gl.com And I just started playing pokemon online this past summer | |
Unlike Ninjask (and now Scoliopede), Blaziken comes with very high attack power and a very potent offensive moveset, boosted by great offensive STAB. Ninjask went to NU because despite speedboost, he can do very little outside of it. If he comes in on something that can't 2HKO him easily, he has no issue sweeping entire teams. Even in this generation, there are very few pokemon that can effectively counter Blaziken. And since he got Baton Pass, he's better than ever, now able to switch out of his threats and pass along is obscenely potent bonuses with impunity. Talonflame is often listed as a counter, but that's generally not the case, since switching in will often result in losing 50% of his health to stealth rock alone, which will typically leave him to be absolutely murdered by a boosted Blaziken, even if his moves aren't very effective. Even if Talonflame manages to switch in safely, all Blaziken has to do is switch out, and Talonflame is worthless, since switching back in would kill him. The only way that Talonflame can reliably deal with Blaziken (again, assuming he doesn't just switch out) is as a revenge killer, but that is not a counter. Azumarill is probably the best 'counter' to Blaziken, but it too can be left wanting in the sunlight. Essentially, with Blaziken allowed on teams, the game ultimately boils down to every team having to have Blaziken, a counter for Blaziken, and a counter for Blaziken's counter. This is known as overcentralization, and can kill an otherwise healthy metagame. It's for the same reason that I expect Mega Gengar to go the way of ubers as well. I managed to take out your Blaziken because you didn't really have much support for it, and by time you were able to bring it out, I had a fully set-up dragonite sweeping your entire team. Had you run a team more appropriate to support him, and were able to break my offensive momentum, Blaziken would probably have torn through my entire team. | |
Blaziken can learn baton pass? Never knew that and now its more tempting than ever to use him. But without baton pass, my blaziken has been easily killed by beartic, the evovled form of tortuga, the evolved form of espurr, aigislash, kangaskan, mawile, garydos, azumarill like you said, politoed without any assist, staraptor, tyranatar with earthquake and sandstream, zapdos, metagross , slowbro, slowking, vileplume with teter dance and stun spore, and alot more I can't remember at the moment. Even with baton pass, it still will need to rely on focus sash to stay alive and get things down. blaziken has trouble taking down things with one hit without swords dance with its high attack, and even with the swords dance, it can't kill the likes slowbro and other with just one boost. Even with baton pass, you rarely run into teams who don't have priority moves or and even pursuit will hurt blaziken. and while where on the subject, and haven't had much trouble killing mega gengar at all since its still not special resistant wiswe but Azumarill with play rough and choice band/scarf is a different story. I won't complain it that geta banned | |
Just because Blaziken is ridiculously overpowered, does not mean he's invulnerable. The first course of action when using Blaziken is to force a good switch. Come in on something that will not be able to 2HKO him. That pokemon will be forced to switch out. After that, all you have to do is set up to sweep. Between life orb (If you have to use a focus sash on Blaziken, you're probably not using him right), swords dance, and sunny day, no pokemon should be able to stop him outside of priority, which is pretty easy to see coming. Mega Gengar is overpowered because not only is he immensely powerful and fast, but his 'Shadow Tag' ability ensures that he'll be able to kill whatever he wants to kill. Additionally, even the threat of mega evolution is too powerful for Gengar. The reason for this is because Gengar already has a reputation as one of the most unpredictable pokemon in the game, with a massive moveset that allows him to threaten a huge variety of pokemon. | |
I'd just like to add, right now I have some hidden ability Dratinis, as well as Pursuit/SR Larvitars available for trade. They all should have 4-5 perfect IVs. I'm looking for: Slowpoke (Regenerator) Female is preferable. I'm also open to other offers. | |
Xerneas + Power herb is the most overpowered thing in the game. Geomancy in 1 turn then moon blast everything to shit. | |
Which is why he's uber in Smogon standard, and banned even from official formats. | |
So how many shiny pokémon have you all found? I've been hearing that the Mystery egg glitch is becoming more common now too so be careful with your trading with wonder trade | |
Well there aren't too many pokemon that I know of that can kill blaziken in two hits unless there normal types and even they can always use earthquake. Aside from that, Blaziken is a coin toss pokemon. Ive been experimenting with him and even with flare blitz and high jump kick, he does high damage to himself if he misses with high jump kick which will miss at the most dire times lol, and flare blitz makes him all the more easier to get in one hit. Mega blaziken is more sturdier but far from unstopable though. Ive played against some really good players online but i had no problem stopping mega gengar, probably, because of agieslash, or me Alakazam was faster, and even with blaziken or greeninja. Aside from that I finally was able to get a 50 win streak in super single battles at the battle maison. The fact that the pokemon there have hidden abilities makes it more unpredictable and unrelenting. I hated when I got like 30 wins in ore so, i got cheaped. Becareful battles 47 and up, they use Legendaries | |
Just because there are lots of pokemon that can kill Blaziken in 2 hits, does not mean that they'll always be out, or that they'll always even be on teams. If Blaziken comes in on Ferrothorn, for example, one of the most popular pokemon of gen 5, and likely of gen 6, he'll be forced to switch or die. Blaziken won't even need a swords dance to accomplish that (but he'll likely get it if he predicts the switch). The situation is even more dire for Scizor (the most popular pokemon in gen5, and in time, likely gen 6, with a usage rate of ~25%). But this isn't something that is restricted to a few popular pokemon, which would only mean a shift in the overall metagame, but not a complete overcentralization, but to pretty much every defensive wall that cannot immediately deal with Blaziken with no risk period. The presence of Blaziken ends up gutting entire playstyles for no reason other than the fact that Blaziken, a single pokemon, exists. If the mere existence, not even presence, but just existence of a pokemon ends up invariably pushing the entire direction of a metagame towards a single direction, then it is a bad thing. And just because high-jump kick can miss, doesn't mean it will miss. Keep in mind, the move has 90% accuracy. The only reliable way to ensure it fails is to use Protect (I don't believe switching to a ghost type will cause the recoil damage, correct me if I'm wrong). Additionally, the players you're going against obviously aren't very good if they throw Mega Gengar out against Aegislash or Alakazam. Just because something isn't unstoppable, does not mean it's not overpowered. | |
I've never gotten around to training a forrothern, but anybody with sensable knowledge that when it comes to using a pokemon like him or Scizor would know to have some counter for fire type pokemon or fire type attacks. If your game revolves around abusing scizor or holding stalls with forrothern then that automatically puts holes in your game. Blaziken is not the only threat to scizor, theres plenty or pokemon that kill it easy or are able to kill it within two hits. Chandulure is a good example I never said the switche Gengar in on me lol, I meant i was able to counter with aigeslash. Though unless its powered up, shadow sneak takes two hits. I haven't played competively for that long but I've played tourney players in person in black/white 2. And I would able to beat them because they mainly focused on 8-9 pokemon while I would train boxes full. Imo i believe knowing how to proper use a multitude of pokemon will help you win at least 90 percent of the time. I don't know how good they were tourney wise because I never went to pokemon tournaments. back when I played smash brothers competively, I had a friend who went by Ultimascout was not only an exceptional smash bros player but and tourney player in pokemon and would win all the time. And he was the one who told me IV breeding is overrated | |
It's very easy to say "just use a ground or water move," but it's hardly practical. If Blaziken switches in on Scizor or Ferrothorn (or any pokemon that doesn't have the specific ability to counter it), it sets up for free and crushes a large portion of your team, if not its entirety.
Who said it has to revolve around those two pokemon? They simply have to be out.
But those counters have their own counters that are hardly specific. It's not the fact that he can beat Scizor (if Scizor was unbeatable, he'd be Uber as well), it's the fact that very little can reasonably expect to beat him, assuming proper use.
And Chandulure comes with its own counters that will eviscerate it just as easily as it does Scizor. And what's more, these counters are viable and varied.
And I'm not talking about Gengar. I'm talking about Mega Gengar. Gengar is a fearsome and incredibly powerful pokemon, but he's not uber. Mega Gengar is. If Gengar comes in and switches to Mega Gengar, you have the one turn to switch to Aegislash. If Aegislash comes in, Megagar can easily switch out, and come in on something he can guarantee the kill on. What's more, once he does get that switch in, the kill is guaranteed. There is nothing that can be done, since the victim does not have the ability to switch out. A more defensive set can even run Perish Song for a good chance at taking out a potential revenge-killer with it (unless you just switch it out to come back for round 2), what with that amazing speed stat and the trapping ability of Shadow Tag. And considering the massive movepool that Megagar sports, the variety of pokemon he can easily crush with impunity is huge. Additionally, Aegislash is not a proper counter for even normal Gengar. It's a check at best, if that. While a(n unboosted) physically offensive standard build (King's Shield, Swords Dance, Sacred Sword, Shadow Sneak) can OHKO an uninvested Gengar 56.25% of the time, that's assuming it can even get that off properly.
If SubGengar switches in on something that won't be able to reliably deal with it, it'll at least get a substitute out. At this point, Aegislash is left with very few options, even if it does get boosted. Shadow Sneak can only break a substitute, and leaves it open to be OHKO'd by Shadow Ball. It can also be disabled, which would ultimately force a switch. A special-based or mixed build won't be much luckier, getting easily 2HKO'd by Shadow Ball.
Meaning that if Gengar either has a sub up on the switch, or predicts with Shadow Ball, Aegislash will die. With full Sp.D investment (252 EVs in HP and Sp.D, and positive nature) it turns into a 3HKO (against the defensive form), which improves Aegislash's chances slightly. However, if Gengar has a substitute out by time Aegislash comes in (which is pretty much a given if you're going to end up switching into him), Gengar can get at least one shadow ball for free (assuming that the sub went up during the switch, not before) on your defensive form, and then you're left in offensive form, leaving you open to die to a single shadow ball. If you use King's Shield, Gengar is guaranteed another turn to set up. Mixed sets can try to hit it after breaking the sub, but assuming full defensive (which is needed to survive 2 hits in the first place), Aegislash won't actually manage the OHKO on the next turn, and is then finished off by another Shadow Ball.
You don't need to have boxes full of pokemon to know how to use them. All it takes is an understanding of what your counters and checks are, and how to counter/check your threats.
A single speed IV can win or lose games. | |
Look I have enough problems with calculus as it is this semester. Please don't bring math into video games lol. I can see you point with mega gengar and even blaziken due to there stats. I was just trying to say that since Blaziken is a gamble to use, and relying on him to sweep can put you and a bigger whole than you plan to put your opponent in. But yeah, on stats alone, I can see why mega gengar would be banned from tournaments, its like using a mewtwo with shadow tag | |
Except it's not a gamble if you set him up properly. You can even replace HJK with Sky Uppercut, should the recoil scare you. As for the math, that's the kind of stuff I do when throwing together a team. Except you have to do it for as many potential threats as possible. If you don't know whether you can handle a threat or not, you need to math it out. If it turns out you can't cover that threat, you need to find a way to fix that. | |
I guess if its a double battle, and a pokemon knows heal pulse, it shoudnt be that for blaziken to use hi jump kick. Btw, due to significant stat increase, do you think mega evolutions will end up being banned from tournaments all together? | |
You actually want to use Sky Uppercut for doubles with Blaziken. Since so many pokemon carry protect, it's too easy for it to kill itself otherwise. I doubt they'll ban mega evolutions entirely. Despite some being ridiculous (Mega Gengar, possibly Mega Kangaskhan, and Blaziken is already probably going to ubers, so its Mega will be there anyway), most of them are fairly reasonable, with their own strengths and weaknesses that are perfectly exploitable. Especially since Mega pokemon can't carry items. UPDATE: Blaziken is now Uber, according to the Smogon tiering system. | |
Mega Kangaskhan is super dhope, but is easy to kill or counter with fighting pokemon, or pokemon who can use strong fighting moves like close combat and aura sphere. One of the best counters for a mega kangashan is definitely chestnaught. Its struggles to get the kill on chestnaught even if its attack is raised a few stages with power up punch, and even then, chesnaught can kill it with one hit. I still think Blaziken should be tourney legal but there's 700 other pokemon to play with, so big deal. Ive been doing some research and I also don't understand who come drizzle plus swift swim is banned, but drought and sunny day isnt, nor sandstream and sand rush isn't. My best guess is with swift swim, aqua jet will always go first, but its not like its a killing move. | |
Chesnaught is not a counter. (all calculations done assuming maximum defensive investment Chesnaught with +def nature, and Megakhan with maximum offensive investment and +spe nature) Power up Punch will do (7.36 ~ 8.68%) + (4.73 ~ 5.78%) on the switch (I think that's how it works, with the +1 being applied before the second hit. Correct me if I'm wrong. Either way, that doesn't much change the outcome or conclusion of this calculation), for a total of (12.09 ~ 14.46%). On the next turn, Megakhan will go first (you can use spiky shield, but it only ends up prolonging the inevitable until the next turn), dealing (53.68 ~ 63.15%) + (26.84 ~ 31.84%), for a combined total of (80.52 ~ 94.99). Assuming Stealth Rock is not in play, that's a 56% chance that Chesnaught will die before it even gets to do anything outside of Spiky Shield. And even though SR only does 3.125% damage to Chesnaught, that's still enough to skew the results even further in Megakhan's favour. Chesnaught is very certainly not something that can be recommended as a counter to Megakhan. He can be used as a revenge killer at best, although he can expect to take considerable damage doing so, very likely crippling him (ie, not a good trade). If Megakhan has been boosted by more than one PUP, even revenge-killing becomes impossible. Lastly, if the Megakhan happens to be Adamant, Chesnaught doesn't have a hope of even touching Megakhan in any situation. The only time where you can even attempt to do anything with Chesnaught against Megakhan is by pivoting and predicting a switch, at which point you'll end up forcing him out. However, this is a ridiculous prediction to make, is entirely unreliable, and should never, ever be counted on, and only attempted in the most dire of straights. In order to counter Megakhan, a pokemon must at least be able to survive or circumvent a PUP and +2 Suckerpunch if they're faster than him, or a PUP and +2 Return if they're slower. Any pokemon who cannot guarantee survival against that has no place in even attempting to counter Megakhan.
First of all, Drizzle+Swiftswim is no longer banned. The removal of permanent weather has made it so that that combo is no longer overpowered to the point of being disallowed from standard play. | |
Caught my first X and Y Shiny Yesterday, it was in a horde of Gulpins | |
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Haven't posted on the boards in a while due to personal issues I'd prefer not to disclose. Does anybody have the following they'd like to trade with me. a female gurdurr with iron fist. a poliwag/poliwhirl with swift swim, decent nature. Whoever signs up to trade with me has to help me with the trade induced evolutions so whoever's on my buddy list please quote me and let me know your schedul(I'm Pacific Standard time btw). Also let me know what you want in exchange. | |
ok so i was just casually browsing Pokemon Y's Global Trade Spot for a Staryu or a Starmie. i saw a guy wanted a Cloyster of any gender and any level for his Starmie. WHY THE FUCK THEN DID THE GTS JUST TELL ME MY CLOYSTERS WEREN'T ABLE TO BE TRADED???!!!!!!!!! WTF IS THIS BULSHIT NINTENDO!!!!!!! | |
Take a deep breath. It's only a game, focker | |
get out. | |
oh shit my bad move to 3DS section please mods | |
Did it say why? He probably put it so you have to trade that Pokemon with a certain level or gender. | |
no i double checked and it said a cloyster of an level and of either gender. for some reason the game wouldn't let me trade my cloyster though. piece of shit. | |
the gts has been working well for me | |
one thing I never understood is when youre playing in a battle institute like the battle maison in X and Y, does youre level and stats matter beforehand? since their level is set to level 50, wont youre pokemons stats be the ones they had when they where level 50? I ask this because it seems a level 70 fights better then when it was at level 60 despite being set at level 50 both times. | |
A pokemon will be functionally the same at level 50 as it is at level 100. The only difference is how EV values are calculated (4EVs=1 stat point at level 100, 8EVs equals 1 stat point at level 50), and how IVs are rounded (1 IV=1 stat point at level 100, 1IV=.5 stat points at level 50, although the rounding is finicky, and is important for speed break-points). At more competitive levels of play, specific HP breakpoints for substitutes and other moves based of set damage values might be different. The way that rounding works tends to make maximizing stats for Little Cup (level 5 only) work a little differently from normal play, but that is the only exception. Unless your pokemon had incompleted EVs that were completed between when it was level 60 and 70, it should function almost exactly the same. Stat progression is entirely set and linear in Pokemon. | |
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