PC chips have been capable of GPGPU for a long time.
The programability and unified architecture of DX10-level hardware, supporting compute was what really kicked it off.
It actually stands for, General Purpose Processing - On a GPU. So its not really a 'special' type of hardware. The best living example of this is Nvidia Physx. The WiiU being based on AMD's Terascale architecture, you would expect it to be as capable as the desktop models were at such a function. Of course, it comes at a heavy performance cost.
I do agree with Matthew79 on this. The proprietary nature of the WiiU only serves to make it cheaper. The architecture they chose really wasn't expensive, slightly modified from existing Radeon GPUs and Wii CPU architecture. Of the parts, in any console, you would expect the GPU to cost the most as that's where overwhelmingly the most silicon will be found.
The price ultimately is based on the 'silicon' and 'transistors' within the device. The WiiU controller is a factor that did definitely add expense on top of that, but how much comparatively today probably not as much.
Where exactly did I say PC chips weren't capable of that to begin with? I think you should read the post again on that part as that wasn't said.
The controller isn't that expensive as it possesses no major components to function as a stand alone device, only difference between it and other controllers is that it has a touch screen if anything it would be like the Wiimote was and maybe an extra 15-20 quid more expensive but then controllers are also known for huge mark up since the NES.
This leaves the cost mainly on the components in the console, if they got the cheaper price for the GPU I'd like to know what exactly went into the GPU because the tech available at the time of WII U's development was very capable for similar prices. Either that or the GPU is as capable as the tech at the time but the propriety nature lead to issues optimizing which goes back to the point that something more off the shelf would be ideal especially as tech at the time reached a point that made propriety as less required.
Yup, I did misread your post. I was just confused as you seemed to be suggesting it was something unusual for the architecture. Which whilst modified, is based on something else that does exist.
Console GPUs are fixed components that will be mas-produced in the millions by the GPU manufacturer. Unless you make the catastrophic mistake Microsoft made with the original Xbox, the price will be fixed based on negotiation between the two parties. Regardless of what any equivelent GPU costs. This price should be profitable for AMD but in Nintendo's favour as the best market rate.
I agree with you that the GPU is likely the most expensive part of the system, but that should be a given really. The price of silicon doesn't really care about the architecture, or whether its proprietary or not, its mostly how many transistors will ship. Anything else is negotiable as far as the cost to Nintendo goes. AMD just want their chips in devices, Nintendo need a supplier.
Tbh AMD seem to be in a bit of trouble as a company so I imagine consoles must be their saving grace right now as Nvidia despite some cock ups are on fire in recent times, it's fortunate for AMD that Nvidia tech is very pricey as some of their older cards trump consoles now.
I'd be surprised if the NX has a propriety or a something heavily customized seeing as tech now doesn't require it as much but then we come to the CPU and they seem fiercely loyal to IBM when something from AMD maybe a better choice right now to make the hardware more in sync. It may be possible that if they opted for AMD for both CPU and GPU it may be easier to develop on.
"Your question also included the "current notion of thinking about home consoles and handheld devices." When it comes to how dedicated game systems are being played, the situations have become rather different, especially between Japan and overseas. Since we are always thinking about how to create a new platform that will be accepted by as many people around the world as possible, we would like to offer to them "a dedicated video game platform with a brand new concept"[size=150] by taking into consideration various factors, including the playing environments that differ by country[/size]. This is all that I can confirm today."
of all the things Iwata has said about the NX this one I find the most confusing
Memo: Tbh AMD seem to be in a bit of trouble as a company so I imagine consoles must be their saving grace right now as Nvidia despite some cock ups are on fire in recent times, it's fortunate for AMD that Nvidia tech is very pricey as some of their older cards trump consoles now.
I'd be surprised if the NX has a propriety or a something heavily customized seeing as tech now doesn't require it as much but then we come to the CPU and they seem fiercely loyal to IBM when something from AMD maybe a better choice right now to make the hardware more in sync. It may be possible that if they opted for AMD for both CPU and GPU it may be easier to develop on.
It had more to do with wanting to stay on the powerPC architecture then being loyal to IBM. You dont have to create new tools/new engines and its backwords compatable.
JiveT: "Your question also included the "current notion of thinking about home consoles and handheld devices." When it comes to how dedicated game systems are being played, the situations have become rather different, especially between Japan and overseas. Since we are always thinking about how to create a new platform that will be accepted by as many people around the world as possible, we would like to offer to them "a dedicated video game platform with a brand new concept"[size=150] by taking into consideration various factors, including the playing environments that differ by country[/size]. This is all that I can confirm today."
of all the things Iwata has said about the NX this one I find the most confusing
He's basically thinking about player archetypes. An archetype is a player behavior and suggests/describes how and where they play games. Are these people playing games for 15 minutes during a train journey to work? Are they spending 4 hours in front of a PC or two hours in front of a TV, half an hour in a cafe?
How much do they spend on games or in games, or do they spend nothing at all? What type of games. Do they play single-player, multiplayer, with strangers, with only close friends?
These behaviors can be affected by the region you're from and can be affected by your demographic too.
Gamers behave very differently between Japan and the UK for example, for example looking at the dominance of mobile platforms in Japan, and the places where gamers may use those mobile platforms - mostly outside the home. In the UK, there's a record breaking demand for consoles, high spend on those types of games and players tend to come from homes with multiple TVs and even multiple consoles. In some countries and average commute to the city could be three hours, in others 30 mins to 1 hour.
Games are played in many different environments and in different ways, with users behaving differently towards the software and hardware they consume, so it figures that they should be thinking along these lines, especially for a new concept device.
JiveT: "Your question also included the "current notion of thinking about home consoles and handheld devices." When it comes to how dedicated game systems are being played, the situations have become rather different, especially between Japan and overseas. Since we are always thinking about how to create a new platform that will be accepted by as many people around the world as possible, we would like to offer to them "a dedicated video game platform with a brand new concept"[size=150] by taking into consideration various factors, including the playing environments that differ by country[/size]. This is all that I can confirm today."
of all the things Iwata has said about the NX this one I find the most confusing
He's basically thinking about player archetypes. An archetype is a player behavior and suggests/describes how and where they play games. Are these people playing games for 15 minutes during a train journey to work? Are they spending 4 hours in front of a PC or two hours in front of a TV, half an hour in a cafe?
How much do they spend on games or in games, or do they spend nothing at all? What type of games. Do they play single-player, multiplayer, with strangers, with only close friends?
These behaviors can be affected by the region you're from and can be affected by your demographic too.
Gamers behave very differently between Japan and the UK for example, for example looking at the dominance of mobile platforms in Japan, and the places where gamers may use those mobile platforms - mostly outside the home. In the UK, there's a record breaking demand for consoles, high spend on those types of games and players tend to come from homes with multiple TVs and even multiple consoles. In some countries and average commute to the city could be three hours, in others 30 mins to 1 hour.
Games are played in many different environments and in different ways, with users behaving differently towards the software and hardware they consume, so it figures that they should be thinking along these lines, especially for a new concept device.
Was going to post what you said last night (GT on phone is spotty) And to me it cements the NX being a fusion console as it would unify both Console and Handheld markets, while also introducing people who in the past exclusively played Consoles or exclusively played handhelds to games they would miss otherwise, for example how many people are missing out on Monster Hunter 4 because they playing something like that gives them handcramps, or how many people have wanted to play Bayonetta 2 but cant find the time at home to play it, but would have plenty of time during their commute to work (assuming they are taking the bus or train to work)
Yeah that statement hints at a fusion platform as it addresses two major problems, regional difference in player archetypes and not having to support and manage two separate platforms at the same time, even Sony gave up trying to do it that shows you how far Handhelds have come and what's required to support them.
The NX is a cheap WiiU knock off. Sources who are always correct have confirmed this on twitter.
It is going to be 150-199 dollar console. There will also be a new handheld whose name is not known yet, and it will be like a sister device.
But the important thing to take out of this is, Nintendo is doubling down on giving us crappy cheap hardware. Some people may not care, but I know, many gamers like will be very disappointed with such hardware.
My friends are saying they don't see how anyone can possibly get excited for a new NX console, and without that excitement I don't see how the NX can possibly succeed.
I have a feeling that NX will cling on just barely. Its completely possible it will fail like the WiiU and Nintendo will follow Sega.
Shadowhelper: The NX is a cheap WiiU knock off. Sources who are always correct have confirmed this on twitter.
It is going to be 150-199 dollar console. There will also be a new handheld whose name is not known yet, and it will be like a sister device.
But the important thing to take out of this is, Nintendo is doubling down on giving us crappy cheap hardware. Some people may not care, but I know, many gamers like will be very disappointed with such hardware.
My friends are saying they don't see how anyone can possibly get excited for a new NX console, and without that excitement I don't see how the NX can possibly succeed.
I have a feeling that NX will cling on just barely. Its completely possible it will fail like the WiiU and Nintendo will follow Sega.
Yo do realise that both the PS4 and Xbox 1 are crappy hardware as well right? If hardware really mattered, everyone would flock to gaming PC's - the reality is that games sell a console, not the hardware.
The only people who can confirm something on twitter are official acconts. I get excited for a console when it gets games I want to play, which the NX, regardless the power, will definitely get, your friends are morons, please show those morons my comment.
Musou Tensei: Gamer: The only people who can confirm something on twitter are official acconts. I get excited for a console when it gets games I want to play, which the NX, regardless the power, will definitely get, your friends are morons, please show those morons my comment.
Come on chief, its connected people on twitter who successfully predicted everything else so far. AMD execs confirming the price range. We do know the console will be a cheap one. Neogaf confirmed it.
Sure, you will get excited. So will I. I'm the biggest fan of all. But my friends say Nintendo still needs customers and fans. And if they don't get enough, then it will fail like the WiiU.
They make a good point, that an underpowered NX is probably going to keep many people from being interested.
Shadowhelper: The NX is a cheap WiiU knock off. Sources who are always correct have confirmed this on twitter.
It is going to be 150-199 dollar console. There will also be a new handheld whose name is not known yet, and it will be like a sister device.
But the important thing to take out of this is, Nintendo is doubling down on giving us crappy cheap hardware. Some people may not care, but I know, many gamers like will be very disappointed with such hardware.
My friends are saying they don't see how anyone can possibly get excited for a new NX console, and without that excitement I don't see how the NX can possibly succeed.
I have a feeling that NX will cling on just barely. Its completely possible it will fail like the WiiU and Nintendo will follow Sega.
Yo do realise that both the PS4 and Xbox 1 are crappy hardware as well right? If hardware really mattered, everyone would flock to gaming PC's - the reality is that games sell a console, not the hardware.
PS4 hardware was medium for when it came out, but it was still an big upgrade.
The point is, NX is not an upgrade. It will be a solid generation behind.
Graphics obviously do matter, otherwise next gen wouldn't exist. PC too complicated and expensive for most. But GFX is still important, and since NX is going to be a failure here, it begs the question, is Nintendo making a HUGE mistake? My friends say they are.
Shadowhelper: The NX is a cheap WiiU knock off. Sources who are always correct have confirmed this on twitter.
It is going to be 150-199 dollar console. There will also be a new handheld whose name is not known yet, and it will be like a sister device.
But the important thing to take out of this is, Nintendo is doubling down on giving us crappy cheap hardware. Some people may not care, but I know, many gamers like will be very disappointed with such hardware.
My friends are saying they don't see how anyone can possibly get excited for a new NX console, and without that excitement I don't see how the NX can possibly succeed.
I have a feeling that NX will cling on just barely. Its completely possible it will fail like the WiiU and Nintendo will follow Sega.
Yo do realise that both the PS4 and Xbox 1 are crappy hardware as well right? If hardware really mattered, everyone would flock to gaming PC's - the reality is that games sell a console, not the hardware.
PS4 hardware was medium for when it came out, but it was still an big upgrade.
The point is, NX is not an upgrade. It will be a solid generation behind.
Graphics obviously do matter, otherwise next gen wouldn't exist. PC too complicated and expensive for most. But GFX is still important, and since NX is going to be a failure here, it begs the question, is Nintendo making a HUGE mistake? My friends say they are.
Are you mentally challenged? It would make a lot of sense if you say yes.
Shadowhelper: The NX is a cheap WiiU knock off. Sources who are always correct have confirmed this on twitter.
It is going to be 150-199 dollar console. There will also be a new handheld whose name is not known yet, and it will be like a sister device.
But the important thing to take out of this is, Nintendo is doubling down on giving us crappy cheap hardware. Some people may not care, but I know, many gamers like will be very disappointed with such hardware.
My friends are saying they don't see how anyone can possibly get excited for a new NX console, and without that excitement I don't see how the NX can possibly succeed.
I have a feeling that NX will cling on just barely. Its completely possible it will fail like the WiiU and Nintendo will follow Sega.
Yo do realise that both the PS4 and Xbox 1 are crappy hardware as well right? If hardware really mattered, everyone would flock to gaming PC's - the reality is that games sell a console, not the hardware.
PS4 hardware was medium for when it came out, but it was still an big upgrade.
The point is, NX is not an upgrade. It will be a solid generation behind.
Graphics obviously do matter to a point, otherwise next gen wouldn't exist. PC too complicated and expensive for most. But GFX is still important, and since NX is going to be a failure here, it begs the question, is Nintendo making a HUGE mistake? My friends say they are.
Games are still what sells hardware, for what good is having the best hardware available if you can't utilize it?
Besides, nothing has been said of what market the NX will target - it could be a third pillar much like back in the day with the gameboy, DS and gamecube (correct me if I'm wrong on the home console at the time). Now, I could very well be wrong and am happy to admit when I am but you're going to look like a fool if all of this nonsense your spouting turns out to be completely wrong.
Yo do realise that both the PS4 and Xbox 1 are crappy hardware as well right? If hardware really mattered, everyone would flock to gaming PC's - the reality is that games sell a console, not the hardware.
PS4 hardware was medium for when it came out, but it was still an big upgrade.
The point is, NX is not an upgrade. It will be a solid generation behind.
Graphics obviously do matter to a point, otherwise next gen wouldn't exist. PC too complicated and expensive for most. But GFX is still important, and since NX is going to be a failure here, it begs the question, is Nintendo making a HUGE mistake? My friends say they are.
Games are still what sells hardware, for what good is having the best hardware available if you can't utilize it?
Besides, nothing has been said of what market the NX will target - it could be a third pillar much like back in the day with the gameboy, DS and gamecube (correct me if I'm wrong on the home console at the time). Now, I could very well be wrong and am happy to admit when I am but you're going to look like a fool if all of this nonsense your spouting turns out to be completely wrong.
NX is going to be a home console, AMD and inside sources have already confirmed this, although not in a press conference or anything.
Its pretty obvious. Nintendo has virtually stopped all work on the WiiU, even the ones in dev like Star Fox its obvious Nitendo is barely trying.
Why did Nintendo abandon the WiiU? Because it is a failure and because they are readying the NX, obviously.
And, games do sell hardware, but hardware still has to somewhat excite people. WiiU had games, so in that case why did WiiU fail? Because it wasn't good enough.
And now Nintendo is doubling down and keeping the same crappy hardware? I love Nintendo, but I fear they are following Sega out of the home console market.
AMD haven't confirmed anything, all we know about from AMD is that they've obtained a new contract from somewhere, Star Fox is also being developed by Platinum Games. Hardware is never what has sold to the consumer it's the games that use it and marketing.
Memo: Yeah that statement hints at a fusion platform as it addresses two major problems, regional difference in player archetypes and not having to support and manage two separate platforms at the same time, even Sony gave up trying to do it that shows you how far Handhelds have come and what's required to support them.
This is where I question the notion that Nintendo will opt to make a fusion style platform. It doesn't make sense right now or even two years from now to do it because the technology isn't cost effective. Processors in portable systems can't work miracles. They are still leagues behind in the previous generation of home consoles. They are IGPs, much like what Intel offers in its own processors, therefore they are bandwidth limited when they share a single pool of standard low power ddr3 memory. If we look at what exists now, companies like MSI and Alienware have made consumer level docks that can host dedicated graphics cards. These docs are insanely overpriced for what they do, but they basically repurpose PCIE or Thunderbolt ports on the processor to connect and function with a dock. Getting these ports to function in this manner is likely not cheap and they only appear to work with very high bandwidth docks, something that is currently not available to portable hardware. Why is a high bandwidth dock needed? Because data has to feed both ways between the GPU in the dock and the CPU, display, etc. on the laptop. These high capacity ports usually require a lot of power to push large chunks of data hence why thunderbolt is only available on the higher end processor models
Nintendo would have to develop a very crude version of this for it to be cost effective. However, crude versions will still have to take into account the heavy bandwidth requirement. Could nintendo develop a handheld/home console system similar to the wiiu where the tablet like controller can function independently? Maybe, but then you have to manage to cost of two systems in one purchase. It will make the NX very expensive. Look at the ps4 and vita as they are very closely similar to that kind of an example. Together, they are priced at $600.
PS4 hardware was medium for when it came out, but it was still an big upgrade.
The point is, NX is not an upgrade. It will be a solid generation behind.
Graphics obviously do matter to a point, otherwise next gen wouldn't exist. PC too complicated and expensive for most. But GFX is still important, and since NX is going to be a failure here, it begs the question, is Nintendo making a HUGE mistake? My friends say they are.
Games are still what sells hardware, for what good is having the best hardware available if you can't utilize it?
Besides, nothing has been said of what market the NX will target - it could be a third pillar much like back in the day with the gameboy, DS and gamecube (correct me if I'm wrong on the home console at the time). Now, I could very well be wrong and am happy to admit when I am but you're going to look like a fool if all of this nonsense your spouting turns out to be completely wrong.
NX is going to be a home console, AMD and inside sources have already confirmed this, although not in a press conference or anything.
Its pretty obvious. Nintendo has virtually stopped all work on the WiiU, even the ones in dev like Star Fox its obvious Nitendo is barely trying.
Why did Nintendo abandon the WiiU? Because it is a failure and because they are readying the NX, obviously.
And, games do sell hardware, but hardware still has to somewhat excite people. WiiU had games, so in that case why did WiiU fail? Because it wasn't good enough.
And now Nintendo is doubling down and keeping the same crappy hardware? I love Nintendo, but I fear they are following Sega out of the home console market.
Games are still what sells hardware, for what good is having the best hardware available if you can't utilize it?
Besides, nothing has been said of what market the NX will target - it could be a third pillar much like back in the day with the gameboy, DS and gamecube (correct me if I'm wrong on the home console at the time). Now, I could very well be wrong and am happy to admit when I am but you're going to look like a fool if all of this nonsense your spouting turns out to be completely wrong.
NX is going to be a home console, AMD and inside sources have already confirmed this, although not in a press conference or anything.
Its pretty obvious. Nintendo has virtually stopped all work on the WiiU, even the ones in dev like Star Fox its obvious Nitendo is barely trying.
Why did Nintendo abandon the WiiU? Because it is a failure and because they are readying the NX, obviously.
And, games do sell hardware, but hardware still has to somewhat excite people. WiiU had games, so in that case why did WiiU fail? Because it wasn't good enough.
And now Nintendo is doubling down and keeping the same crappy hardware? I love Nintendo, but I fear they are following Sega out of the home console market.
Neogaf and Eurogamer believe Nintendo is doomed.
Still waiting for sources....
Posted it twice. In the other thread.
One of the most trusted veteran Japanese journalists has already confirmed this. He is an expert Nintendo reporter.
So I take it you are disappointed that the inferior NX is going to be WiiU power? Lots of people are saying Nintendo is making a MASSIVE mistake.
Nintendo shouldn't be so defeatist. They have such an inferiority complex against MS and Sony. Why are they so scared of them? They should make a good console, that can more than compete, that can beat the PS4. But instead, they want to give us 10 year old hardware and rip us off.
NX is going to be a home console, AMD and inside sources have already confirmed this, although not in a press conference or anything.
Its pretty obvious. Nintendo has virtually stopped all work on the WiiU, even the ones in dev like Star Fox its obvious Nitendo is barely trying.
Why did Nintendo abandon the WiiU? Because it is a failure and because they are readying the NX, obviously.
And, games do sell hardware, but hardware still has to somewhat excite people. WiiU had games, so in that case why did WiiU fail? Because it wasn't good enough.
And now Nintendo is doubling down and keeping the same crappy hardware? I love Nintendo, but I fear they are following Sega out of the home console market.
Neogaf and Eurogamer believe Nintendo is doomed.
Still waiting for sources....
Posted it twice. In the other thread.
One of the most trusted veteran Japanese journalists has already confirmed this. He is an expert Nintendo reporter.
So I take it you are disappointed that the inferior NX is going to be WiiU power? Lots of people are saying Nintendo is making a MASSIVE mistake.
Nintendo shouldn't be so defeatist. They have such an inferiority complex against MS and Sony. Why are they so scared of them? They should make a good console, that can more than compete, that can beat the PS4. But instead, they want to give us 10 year old hardware and rip us off.
It would be a shame but I'm not really that disappointed. I have a PS4, and a gaming PC to get my multiplats on.
It'd be more cost effective then having two separate platforms for two markets, if two platform were made again the next handheld would be around Vita level while a console would be around X1 level it would eat up resources far worse then Nintendo could handle in the long run and ultimately cost them far more then if they sold a fusion platform at a loss with the plan of making up losses from software sold.
Handheld development is already equal to console development in resources, if Sony can't manage it then it shows you how in the long run it's a massive task. Vita and PS4 have a lot of added costs that NX would not be subject to like media features, the console part could also do what the Wii U does and just support external HDDs again to cut that cost out.
Sell at a loss to have an affordable price, make up for the losses through sales of usual heavy weights like Pokemon, because it's one platform for two markets the's no need for two Mario Kart games, two 3d Marios, two Smash games etc... saving further costs. All the first party on one system helping solve drought problems, access to both portable and home markets means more users to sell to and some games have access to user bases they normally don't have access to.
Another likely scenario that is becoming more prominent recently in speculation due to something Iwata said is that NX is a software platform that two devices or more utilize to share one library much like Steam Machines or IOS work. This would allow a fusion like scenario with out all the costs being carried by one hybrid product, games will possibly scale when played on certain hardware.
It'd be more cost effective then having two separate platforms for two markets, if two platform were made again the next handheld would be around Vita level while a console would be around X1 level it would eat up resources far worse then Nintendo could handle in the long run and ultimately cost them far more then if they sold a fusion platform at a loss with the plan of making up losses from software sold.
Handheld development is already equal to console development in resources, if Sony can't manage it then it shows you how in the long run it's a massive task. Vita and PS4 have a lot of added costs that NX would not be subject to like media features, the console part could also do what the Wii U does and just support external HDDs again to cut that cost out.
Sell at a loss to have an affordable price, make up for the losses through sales of usual heavy weights like Pokemon, because it's one platform for two markets the's no need for two Mario Kart games, two 3d Marios, two Smash games etc... saving further costs. All the first party on one system helping solve drought problems, access to both portable and home markets means more users to sell to and some games have access to user bases they normally don't have access to.
Another likely scenario that is becoming more prominent recently in speculation due to something Iwata said is that NX is a software platform that two devices or more utilize to share one library much like Steam Machines or IOS work. This would allow a fusion like scenario with out all the costs being carried by one hybrid product, games will possibly scale when played on certain hardware.
Nintendo is not going to sell at a loss. No way in hell. They never do. Think of how shltty the components to 3ds and WiiU are. The cheapest crap you can get, both inside and outside.
Thats kinda the whole problem. Nintendo doesn't take any chances or take any risks.
They should make a beast of a console and sell at a small loss. They might not even have to, now that the tech has gotten so good. But that's the whole reason Nintendo wants the NX to be so crap and cheap. So they can sell it cheap and still make a big profit.
And yea, Iwata already said, they are basically going to share and OS and games. But, I still think you HAVE to excite and galvanize gamers. Nintendo has forgotten this. Ppl were excited by the new PS and Xbox. No one is going to be for NX.
Longview: Well done guys, you could of just ignored him but now we have another Darj on our hands
Come on chief, as a Nintendo fan why would you ignore the most IMPORTANT developments and stick your head in the sand?
I find your attitude a bit odd. Like Nintendo isn't just a beloved company that should be analyzed and discussed, but like its your religion and any discussion is blasphemy.
If someone had questioned the WiiU gamepad before the WiiU launch I bet you would've called that person a troll, when that person was bringing up valid concerns.
If Nintendo were in a fight, it would be on the ropes right now, dazed from a hard punch, with another boxer charging straight at Nintendo. I hope Nintendo can fight back, but there is no denying Nintendo faces true peril. Historic time chaps.
Longview: Well done guys, you could of just ignored him but now we have another Darj on our hands
Come on chief, as a Nintendo fan why would you ignore the most IMPORTANT developments and stick your head in the sand?
I find your attitude a bit odd. Like Nintendo isn't just a beloved company that should be analyzed and discussed, but like its your religion and any discussion is blasphemy.
If someone had questioned the WiiU gamepad before the WiiU launch I bet you would've called that person a troll, when that person was bringing up valid concerns.
If Nintendo were in a fight, it would be on the ropes right now, dazed from a hard punch, with another boxer charging straight at Nintendo. I hope Nintendo can fight back, but there is no denying Nintendo faces true peril. Historic time chaps.
They've been around for over 120 years. Don't be a drama queen.
Longview: Well done guys, you could of just ignored him but now we have another Darj on our hands
Come on chief, as a Nintendo fan why would you ignore the most IMPORTANT developments and stick your head in the sand?
I find your attitude a bit odd. Like Nintendo isn't just a beloved company that should be analyzed and discussed, but like its your religion and any discussion is blasphemy.
If someone had questioned the WiiU gamepad before the WiiU launch I bet you would've called that person a troll, when that person was bringing up valid concerns.
If Nintendo were in a fight, it would be on the ropes right now, dazed from a hard punch, with another boxer charging straight at Nintendo. I hope Nintendo can fight back, but there is no denying Nintendo faces true peril. Historic time chaps.
They've been around for over 120 years. Don't be a drama queen.
Sure chief, it will survive. They still have a lot of cash. Although, not as much as they once did.
The point is, will it survive as a home console centric company? Or will it go more mobile? This is Nintendo giving in to the demands of stockholders, due to the financial peril the face. If mobile does well, more and more of Nintendos resources will be spent on mobile.
Especially if their next home console, the NX is a failure like WiiU and GC and second half of Wii, AND mobile is very successful, what do you think will happen? Nintendo could be a very different company, very quickly. It happened to Konami.
I mean even Sega still exists, the end means, the end of Nintendo as we know them.
Westernization happened to Konami, outsourcing happened to Konami, Konami is garbage for many years not realizing that the west actually wants japanese games. Then the new CEO comes in and thinks the west just doesn't cares in general so they start to focus on a japanese market.
Longview: Well done guys, you could of just ignored him but now we have another Darj on our hands
I didn't reply to him, it's clear he doesn't know what he's talking about as it's common knowledge the Wii U was sold at a loss and GC was more powerful then the PS2 things he doesn't appear to know.,
Musou Tensei: Gamer: Westernization happened to Konami, outsourcing happened to Konami, Konami is garbage for many years not realizing that the west actually wants japanese games. Then the new CEO comes in and thinks the west just doesn't cares in general so they start to focus on a japanese market.
Just because a few people in the States want a Japanese game doesn't mean the west wants it.
Its the reason Nintendo doesn't release so many Japanese games in the west.
Look, its as simple as Konami makes more money off mobile so they abandoned console business. And, the same thing could happen to Nintendo, unfortunately. If they start to make more money off mobile they will be forced to take resources away from console and put it towards mobile.
Come on chief, as a Nintendo fan why would you ignore the most IMPORTANT developments and stick your head in the sand?
I find your attitude a bit odd. Like Nintendo isn't just a beloved company that should be analyzed and discussed, but like its your religion and any discussion is blasphemy.
If someone had questioned the WiiU gamepad before the WiiU launch I bet you would've called that person a troll, when that person was bringing up valid concerns.
If Nintendo were in a fight, it would be on the ropes right now, dazed from a hard punch, with another boxer charging straight at Nintendo. I hope Nintendo can fight back, but there is no denying Nintendo faces true peril. Historic time chaps.
They've been around for over 120 years. Don't be a drama queen.
Sure chief, it will survive. They still have a lot of cash. Although, not as much as they once did.
The point is, will it survive as a home console centric company? Or will it go more mobile? This is Nintendo giving in to the demands of stockholders, due to the financial peril the face. If mobile does well, more and more of Nintendos resources will be spent on mobile.
Especially if their next home console, the NX is a failure like WiiU and GC and second half of Wii, AND mobile is very successful, what do you think will happen? Nintendo could be a very different company, very quickly. It happened to Konami.
I mean even Sega still exists, the end means, the end of Nintendo as we know them.
Not as much money as they once did? Yeah ok, they have a billion less than their high about 4 years ago...